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Wolfric the Wild
(03-15-2017, 01:05 AM)
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I think the only time the art's ever actively taken me out of a moment in SU (with "serious" episodes, anyway) was the wonkiness during Friend Ship. I think being a little more exaggerated / cartoony can work for episodes, though - despite being a seriously, uh... serious episode, Ruby going dangerously off-model in Keystone Motel was hilarious.

Also, considering they're a race of shapeshifters, they may actually be adjusting their forms to look like that.
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(03-15-2017, 03:25 AM)
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^^^
A lot of people have adopted that head cannon. haha

Originally Posted by KenzinFive

I think the biggest thing that bugs me about the design inconsistencies is how amazing and well-crafted the show looks when the right storyboarding team is in charge, or when Rebecca Sugar storyboards certain scenes. In a perfect world, the show would look that great all the time.

It'd be one thing if designs were allowed to vary wildly on a show like The Loud House, which is geared almost solely towards comedy. Thought I guess the show would be really weird if the sisters were all different heights from scene to scene and episode to episode. I understand the mindset of allowing storyboarders to put their own style on the characters. But when it's applied to a show loved by most of its fans for its more serious elements, it becomes more off-putting and I'm not sure it really works.

At the very least, the most jarring design differences seem to be regulated to less "important" episodes. The only "important" episode that I can think of that suffers from mid-tier animation is Crack the Whip. The Stevonnie/Jasper fight feels sort of flat, but that's not really due to design inconsistencies.

Agreed wholeheartedly.
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(03-15-2017, 03:40 AM)
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Im pretty sure its been established peridot cant shift, which is where a lot of the complaints have been directed towards, at least from what i've seen.

I think theres a pretty clear difference between style shifts between boarders to straight up unapologetic errors and i dont think it should just be handwaved away.

I love that each boarder has their style but the characters should be consistent to an extent.
Zubz
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(03-15-2017, 03:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sub-Zero at a Starbucks

I think the only time the art's ever actively taken me out of a moment in SU (with "serious" episodes, anyway) was the wonkiness during Friend Ship. I think being a little more exaggerated / cartoony can work for episodes, though - despite being a seriously, uh... serious episode, Ruby going dangerously off-model in Keystone Motel was hilarious.

Also, considering they're a race of shapeshifters, they may actually be adjusting their forms to look like that.

Yeah... Keystone Motel was definitely the best argument in favor of going off-model. I love that Ruby supposedly didn't even go that far off-model on the storyboards until they actually heard Charlene Yi read the lines.
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(03-15-2017, 03:51 AM)
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The new model fits her role as the short angry comic relief.
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Wolfric the Wild
(03-15-2017, 06:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zubz

Yeah... Keystone Motel was definitely the best argument in favor of going off-model. I love that Ruby supposedly didn't even go that far off-model on the storyboards until they actually heard Charlene Yi read the lines.

http://loreweaver-universe.tumblr.co...et-but-this-is
http://loreweaver-universe.tumblr.co...rlene-yi-never
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(03-15-2017, 02:54 PM)
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I had a really terrible day yesterday. Bunch of stresses that had been building up for the past week just exploded all at once. I feel like my depression-related anxiety just came roaring back in full force. Lots of doubt, self loathing, and self pity.

This is really cheesy to say, but "Here Comes a Thought" helped me deal with the situation (alongside some good conversations with family and friends and a long walk outside). The song was wonderful at calming me down and letting me contextualize what was going on. I'm really thankful to the show writers for focusing on mindfulness, because mindfulness is so important to many people's lives, including my own. I hope that song can help other people in the same way.

Also Estelle and AJ Michalka sing really damn well.
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zeemumu
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(03-15-2017, 03:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toxi

I had a really terrible day yesterday. Bunch of stresses that had been building up for the past week just exploded all at once. I feel like my depression-related anxiety just came roaring back in full force. Lots of doubt, self loathing, and self pity.

This is really cheesy to say, but "Here Comes a Thought" helped me deal with the situation (alongside some good conversations with family and friends and a long walk outside). The song was wonderful at calming me down and letting me contextualize what was going on. I'm really thankful to the show writers for focusing on mindfulness, because mindfulness is so important to many people's lives, including my own. I hope that song can help other people in the same way.

Also Estelle and AJ Michalka sing really damn well.

I don't have good conversations with my family anymore. Everything ends up with my mom telling me to pray on it.
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(03-15-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toxi

I had a really terrible day yesterday. Bunch of stresses that had been building up for the past week just exploded all at once. I feel like my depression-related anxiety just came roaring back in full force. Lots of doubt, self loathing, and self pity.

Sorry to hear that. Hope things look up soon.
You're good spider people, Toxi.
Toxi
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(03-15-2017, 09:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by zeemumu

I don't have good conversations with my family anymore. Everything ends up with my mom telling me to pray on it.

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully she can understand you better in the future.

Originally Posted by NEO0MJ

Sorry to hear that. Hope things look up soon.
You're good spider people, Toxi.

Thanks. :) I'm already feeling much more positive today.
Zubz
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(03-16-2017, 04:07 AM)
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I'm not seeing anything on the schedule for tomorrow; should I worry?

Originally Posted by Toxi

I had a really terrible day yesterday. Bunch of stresses that had been building up for the past week just exploded all at once. I feel like my depression-related anxiety just came roaring back in full force. Lots of doubt, self loathing, and self pity.

This is really cheesy to say, but "Here Comes a Thought" helped me deal with the situation (alongside some good conversations with family and friends and a long walk outside). The song was wonderful at calming me down and letting me contextualize what was going on. I'm really thankful to the show writers for focusing on mindfulness, because mindfulness is so important to many people's lives, including my own. I hope that song can help other people in the same way.

Also Estelle and AJ Michalka sing really damn well.

I'm sorry to hear this, Toxi, but I'm glad you were able to ground yourself.
Psxphile
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(03-16-2017, 04:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zubz

I'm not seeing anything on the schedule for tomorrow; should I worry?

Yes. No new episode this week. Zap2it still lists Lion 4 for March 23rd, next Thursday.
UPDATE: internal CN scheduling says no new episode airing next week either

we hiatus now
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Wolfric the Wild
(03-17-2017, 06:37 PM)
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don't worry, the climactic final 3 minutes of an episode 7 episodes out will leak from CN UK and then we won't get the bomb preceding it for another 6 months
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(03-17-2017, 09:09 PM)
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they mock us
Freezasaurus
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(03-18-2017, 12:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Psxphile

they mock us

I have that Peridot figure. :D
Baron von Loathsome
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(03-18-2017, 12:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Freezasaurus

I have that Peridot figure. :D

Peridot - 1, Jasper - 0
Freezasaurus
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(03-18-2017, 12:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Baron von Loathsome

Peridot - 1, Jasper - 0

:(
Zubz
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(03-18-2017, 12:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Psxphile

we hiatus now

I'd be more annoyed if we didn't have Samurai Jack. But we do. So I'm not.

I still really want to see the finale, though.
Psxphile
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(03-21-2017, 12:17 AM)
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Hollywood ruins yet another adaptation.

they can't keep getting away with this
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(03-21-2017, 01:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Psxphile

Hollywood ruins yet another adaptation.

they can't keep getting away with this

IKR
Psxphile
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(03-21-2017, 01:52 AM)
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Crewniverse Spotlight: The new storyboard revisionist,
Maya Petersen

I like her Peris.

Originally Posted by Infinite Justice

IKR

kinda want to see their take on that hatoful boyfriend rom-com, tho

The Good Boy, indeed.
SchrodingerC
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(03-21-2017, 03:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Psxphile

Crewniverse Spotlight: The new storyboard revisionist,
Maya Petersen

I like her Peris.

Dat Bismuth tho.

They better wake up Bismuth soon, now that the Homeworld return arc has been set in motion.
Zubz
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(03-21-2017, 05:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by SchrodingerC

Dat Bismuth tho.

They better wake up Bismuth soon, now that the Homeworld return arc has been set in motion.

Ditto, but her VA is way too expensive; they still seem to be reeling from getting Nicki Minaj for Sugilite, & she only exists under precise circumstances. I have a feeling she's just going to be one of those characters/plot points that they should have every reason in the world to free for future situations, but will conveniently "forget" until an episode specifically designated for her so they can write her off again for awhile.
Dram
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(03-21-2017, 05:25 AM)
They could just get someone else to voice her like they did with Mr. Smiley.
Zubz
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(03-21-2017, 05:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dram

They could just get someone else to voice her like they did with Mr. Smiley.

Mr. Smiley felt like a relatively minor character, though. And again, there's not much of a plot reason to bring Sugilite back (I'm surprised they even joked about the situation in "Know Your Fusion"). I feel like Bismuth's already too important of a character to find a reasonable sound alike for.

Plus Uzo was just fantastic.
Pluto
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(03-21-2017, 09:17 AM)
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Bismuth shouldn't be back, she doesn't deserve another chance! She already got her second chance and blew it, she tried to shatter Steven's gem. She's beyond redemption as far as I'm concerned, she tried to murder an ally/friend because they weren't on board with her ideas. TWICE! How do you come back from that?

Jasper also did some bad things but she considered herself a homeworld gem while fighting the crystal gems i.e. a soldier fighting enemies and her anger at Rose was more justified because she was angry because of something Rose actually did not because they were on the same side but had different ideologies.

Jasper's more worthy of redemption than Bismuth and Jasper's pretty awful.
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(03-21-2017, 11:58 AM)
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Third time's the charm!
Exterminieren
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(03-21-2017, 12:55 PM)
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Here's the not so secret secret, guys- everyone's going to get redeemed sooner or later. The idea that someone's past redemption is not one that's compatible with this show's philosophy.
Zubz
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(03-21-2017, 04:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Exterminieren

Here's the not so secret secret, guys- everyone's going to get redeemed sooner or later. The idea that someone's past redemption is not one that's compatible with this show's philosophy.

Yup. It's kind of funny looking back at how many people didn't think Peridot'd get redeemed after getting stranded on Earth.

... Or that she'd die. That was a common one.
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(03-21-2017, 04:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zubz

Yup. It's kind of funny looking back at how many people didn't think Peridot'd get redeemed after getting stranded on Earth.

... Or that she'd die. That was a common one.

There was one point where she basically seemed like the Gem equivalent of Josef Mengele, and she still got her redemption.

I'm not saying we're going to have Jasper and Bismuth yukking it up at the Barn, but I have zero doubt that they'll both end up on the side of the angels by the end. The only characters I don't feel that confident about are the Diamonds, and even then, maybe.
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(03-21-2017, 04:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Exterminieren

There was one point where she basically seemed like the Gem equivalent of Josef Mengele, and she still got her redemption.

I'm not saying we're going to have Jasper and Bismuth yukking it up at the Barn, but I have zero doubt that they'll both end up on the side of the angels by the end. The only characters I don't feel that confident about are the Diamonds, and even then, maybe.

Blue Diamond probably will. She took pity on Greg, the Zoo-Mans, the Famethyst, & the Rose Quartzes. It may be for the selfish reason of honoring Pink Diamond, but she's protected a lot of good people. The only bad things we've seen of her were being a Galactic Conqueror & sentencing a Ruby to death.

I'm with you on White & Yellow Diamonds being shaky, though.
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Tizoc
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(03-24-2017, 10:15 AM)
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Ah the good ol' days

Also this image is canon or fanmade?

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Originally Posted by Tizoc

Ah the good ol' days


Also this image is canon or fanmade?

Fanmade, they edited/redrew the diamond murals together. (They removed the texturing, altered the lighting, and Pink diamond's hand/planet is incorrect, though otherwise they're like the murals appearing in the show)
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(03-25-2017, 07:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Exterminieren

Here's the not so secret secret, guys- everyone's going to get redeemed sooner or later. The idea that someone's past redemption is not one that's compatible with this show's philosophy.

Even Sour Cream's dad?

Even...Kevin?
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(03-25-2017, 03:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheGreatDirector

Even Sour Cream's dad?

Even...Kevin?

Nah, fuck those guys
Puruzi
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(03-25-2017, 04:04 PM)
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I hope Jasper never gets redeemed
hughesta
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Originally Posted by Puruzi

I hope Jasper never gets redeemed

Yeah it'd feel forced if she did
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Originally Posted by hughesta

Yeah it'd feel forced if she did

Only way it can work organically at all is if Rose = Pink Diamond. And since that is unlikely...
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(03-25-2017, 05:58 PM)
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I'd like to think that there will be nuance and by the end Steven has to accept that not everyone is redeemable.

It's good for kids to know that there is redemption and you can forgive... but Trump is president.
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Originally Posted by Pluto

Bismuth shouldn't be back, she doesn't deserve another chance! She already got her second chance and blew it, she tried to shatter Steven's gem. She's beyond redemption as far as I'm concerned, she tried to murder an ally/friend because they weren't on board with her ideas. TWICE! How do you come back from that?

Jasper also did some bad things but she considered herself a homeworld gem while fighting the crystal gems i.e. a soldier fighting enemies and her anger at Rose was more justified because she was angry because of something Rose actually did not because they were on the same side but had different ideologies.

Jasper's more worthy of redemption than Bismuth and Jasper's pretty awful.

Bismuth is likely to make one last appearance, which will probably be where she's redeemed in some way. Like it or not, in SU everyone gets a shot at redemption. Steven shall surpass his mother with his ability being a selfless person, always willing to help another, regardless if they're friend or foe.
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Yes, if "everyone" gets redeemed, that is bad writing, even if it's "the philosophy of the show'. That is not believable. And Steven Universe has been mostly about believable character development. It would be a shame if they abandoned their believable and compelling character development in favor of platitudes.

Now, who should or shouldn't be "redeemed" is a bit more complicated.

I hope Jasper is not among the saved. Many of the people asking for her redemption have not really taken into account Lapis' potential feelings about this. She was coerced into fusing by this gem. Why on earth should the gems then welcome her abuser back into their fold?

Lapis defended herself and her act of containing Malachite was morally good. What she did, in reaction to the aggression of Jasper, cannot be compared to what Jasper tried to do to the CGs and to Lapis herself.

On the other hand, I think Bismuth deserves a second chance, especially after the revelations about Rose Quartz. Keep in mind this isn't just Rose's hypocrisy; Garnet and Pearl also knew about Pink Diamond and they themselves probably shattered some gems of their own during the war. Whether it is moral to shatter in some situations is a complicated question that Steven shut down unconvincingly. I think Bismuth's reaction was understandable given everything that the CGs lost and given how Rose had treated her.
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Originally Posted by InaSnowBoundLand

Yes, if "everyone" gets redeemed, that is bad writing, even if it's "the philosophy of the show'. That is not believable. And Steven Universe has been mostly about believable character development. It would be a shame if they abandoned their believable and compelling character development in favor of platitudes.

Now, who should or shouldn't be "redeemed" is a bit more complicated.

I hope Jasper is not among the saved. Many of the people asking for her redemption have not really taken into account Lapis' potential feelings about this. She was coerced into fusing by this gem. Why on earth should the gems then welcome her abuser back into their fold?

Lapis defended herself and her act of containing Malachite was morally good. What she did, in reaction to the aggression of Jasper, cannot be compared to what Jasper tried to do to the CGs and to Lapis herself.

On the other hand, I think Bismuth deserves a second chance, especially after the revelations about Rose Quartz. Keep in mind this isn't just Rose's hypocrisy; Garnet and Pearl also knew about Pink Diamond and they themselves probably shattered some gems of their own during the war. Whether it is moral to shatter in some situations is a complicated question that Steven shut down unconvincingly. I think Bismuth's reaction was understandable given everything that the CGs lost and given how Rose had treated her.

Otherwise we get Naruto Shppuden and we probably it don't want that
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Originally Posted by caliph95

Otherwise we get Naruto Shppuden and we probably it don't want that

I want to see an episode of SU animated by the people who did this though:

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Originally Posted by InaSnowBoundLand

Lapis defended herself and her act of containing Malachite was morally good.

Errr...huh?
No.
Lapis wasn't some sweet little defenseless damsel with no agency in the matter.
She willingly fused with Jasper in order to torture and control her; she mentally abused this gem for months at the bottom of a deep dark ocean, holding her against her will all while taking a sadistic pleasure in the whole ordeal. She could've said "no" on the beach and helped the CGs quadrupedal team a weakened Jasper, but nope. All she wanted was to enact her petty revenge scheme.
Her motives for trapping Jasper were mostly selfish, hateful, and vindictive. Saving Steven (and only Steven. Not his friends, not his home, or his family. None of the other things he loved) was an after thought.
I mean...Lapis pretty much admits to all of this in Alone at Sea, she recognizes how awful she is for missing the ability to slap Jasper around and chip away at her sanity.
She misses being able to be another gem's cage; she misses being able to dominate another living being.
That was the big important internal conflict of the episode for goodness sake, her coming to grips with this and admitting it to Steven (which he annoyingly glosses over for no good reason...).
With all this in mind, How in the world is Jasper some irredeemable abusive monster who shouldn't be given a chance? Why do Jasper's awful deeds count as uniquely evil but Lapis' don't?
The worse she ever did to Lapis was grab her arm a couple of times and throw her in jail for being an unabashed liar on a sensitive mission.
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Originally Posted by MisterGrey3000

Errr...huh?
No.
Lapis wasn't some sweet little defenseless damsel with no agency in the matter.
She willingly fused with Jasper in order to torture and control her; she mentally abused this gem for months at the bottom of a deep dark ocean, holding her against her will all while taking a sadistic pleasure in the whole ordeal. She could've said "no" on the beach and helped the CGs quadrupedal team a weakened Jasper, but nope. All she wanted was to enact her petty revenge scheme.
Her motives for trapping Jasper were mostly selfish, hateful, and vindictive. Saving Steven (and only Steven. Not his friends, not his home, or his family. None of the other things he loved) was an after thought.
I mean...Lapis pretty much admits to all of this in Alone at Sea, she recognizes how awful she is for missing the ability to slap Jasper around and chip away at her sanity.
She misses being able to be another gem's cage; she misses being able to dominate another living being.
That was the big important internal conflict of the episode for goodness sake, her coming to grips with this and admitting it to Steven (which he annoyingly glosses over for no good reason...).
With all this in mind, How in the world is Jasper some irredeemable abusive monster who shouldn't be given a chance? Why do Jasper's awful deeds count as uniquely evil but Lapis' don't?
The worse she ever did to Lapis was grab her arm a couple of times and throw her in jail for being an unabashed liar on a sensitive mission.

I totally agree and I think it's kind of laughable to call Jasper Lapis' abuser when Jasper was clearly the victim!
Like you said Jasper didn't coerce Lapis into fusing, Jasper tried to convince her to fuse and Lapis agreed when there was no need to do it to defeat Jasper. On the beach Jasper knew she had lost, Garnet had already beaten her, the ship was destroyed and now she faced Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl AND Rose (from her point of view). This is why she wanted to fuse in the first place and if Lapis had said no that would have been it, with the ocean right there Lapis alone could have probably one shotted Jasper, she posed no real threat in that moment.

I don't understand why so many people view Lapis as a poor victim of Jasper when Lapis herself acknowledges the awfulness of what she did! She trapped Jasper in a fusion and then abused her until she liked it. Before this Jasper considered fusion a short term battle tactic (which isn't wrong looking at how the rubies use it), after her experience as Malachite Jasper now craves fusion but has a completely warped sense of what it's supposed to be like and Lapis is responsible for that.

Jasper deserves to be healed from corruption and when it comes to her possible redemption no one should give a rat's ass about Lapis' feelings in that matter.
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Sorry for the bump but I liked this too much to ignore.



I think the only reason we don’t see Jasp in promos is because she hangs out all the time by the incinerator with Y!Diamond chewing cigarette bubble gums trying to look tough.

Also, Hilary Florido’s promos are one of my faves! :D

source

EDIT: just saw a weird commercial on CN. Seems they have something planned for April Fool's Day, but are keeping mum on the subject. That jives well with a recent schedule leak that shows that the entirety of April 1st is completely blank. What are they up to...? Steven was one of the characters featured in the promo.

EDIT: Hori's subtle shout-out to SU
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