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Gleethor
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(03-20-2017, 11:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pie and Beans

If you can make the Sony deal, you can make a deal with yo damn selves.

This
Stone Ocean
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(03-20-2017, 11:59 PM)
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The whole point of the extended MCU is to well, extend it. Thats why they go with properties like Defenders and Punisher, local characters who add to the world instead of trying to join fights against godlike entities or some shit. Crossovers still happen but they're minor stuff in the grand scheme of things, like Fury and Hill showing up in Agents or the events of Agents having repercussions in Age of Ultron.

I'm fine with 99% MCU characters staying in their own hubs but you better make good use of Robbie Reyes, you fucks.
StalkerUKCG
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(03-21-2017, 12:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Exploratory

Business politics.

The TV and film divisions simply cannot work together.

Sorry, I'm not buying this.

We can have Jackson in AoS and have events of AoS directly impact AoU but we can't get the defenders giving on the ground support in another Avengers level battle?

just nonsense.
Busaiku
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(03-21-2017, 12:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by StalkerUKCG

Sorry, I'm not buying this.

We can have Jackson in AoS and have events of AoS directly impact AoU but we can't get the defenders giving on the ground support in another Avengers level battle?

just nonsense.

The stuff from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. only directly impacts Age of Ultron in the show itself.
Nothing is referenced in the movie itself.
Nokagi
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(03-21-2017, 12:04 AM)
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It's still real to me dammit.
ZeoVGM
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(03-21-2017, 12:09 AM)
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I know there are legitimate issues with having everything line up but despite what Anthony is saying, it can be done. It has been done.

I get what he's saying, I do.

But both Sam Jackson and Jaimie Alexander have shown up on AoS twice. And I'm sure we would have seen Sif again if Alexander wasn't busy on Blindspot.

What Marvel needs to do is hire someone to act as a bridge between the two divisions.
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Razgriz-Specter
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(03-21-2017, 12:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by StaticJam

So basically Fiege and Loeb being dicks to each other as usual

No, its more like Fiege is being the dick in this case.
MugiwaraCole
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(03-21-2017, 12:12 AM)
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It could easily work. It HAS worked. Fury's cameo on AoS (twice, I believe). It's honestly just laziness on their part.

We don't need it to happen all the damn time, but there's no reason Black Widow couldn't show up in an episode or two of Daredevil, for example. The costs argument is just ol Perlmutter *sigh*
antonz
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(03-21-2017, 12:14 AM)
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Fiege and Loeb don't get along so that's the big issue but it started even before them.

Whedon was insistent on continuity etc. wasn't actually that important. What happened in non Avengers movies etc. didn't matter because " you don't want people to be out of the loop if they skip half the mcu"
ZeoVGM
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(03-21-2017, 12:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

Feige and Loeb don't get along so that's the big issue but it started even before them

Where are people getting that Feige and Loeb don't get along?
Dabanton
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(03-21-2017, 12:16 AM)
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Hilarious that the higher,higher ups at Disney can't knock a few heads together and get this shit in order.

These shows started out with so much promise. A connected TV and film universe. We don't even need the Avengers to show up just to know that they're out there and people actually talk about in better terms that the Green Guy, hammer guy and the flag waver
MugiwaraCole
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(03-21-2017, 12:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dabanton

Hilarious that the higher,higher ups at Disney can't knock a few heads together and get this shit in order.

These shows started out with so much promise. A connected TV and film universe. We don't even need the Avengers to show up just to know that they're out there and people actually talk about in better terms that the Green Guy, hammer guy and the flag waver

That always annoys me. I get it here and there, but by the time we get to Iron Fist, people shouldn't be referring to Hulk as "that incredible green guy". The Avengers are basically fucking celebrities, why don't they use their names???
Monocle
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(03-21-2017, 12:17 AM)
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Well, if one guy says something is impossible, it must be true!

Pack up your hopes and extinguish your dreams, people. It will never work.
Rastafarian42
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(03-21-2017, 12:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by fallengorn

The accumulated filth of all their films and television series will foam up about their waists and all the fanboys and critics will look up and shout "It's all connected!"



...and I'll look down and whisper "No."

this is gold lol
ZeoVGM
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(03-21-2017, 12:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

That always annoys me. I get it here and there, but by the time we get to Iron Fist, people shouldn't be referring to Hulk as "that incredible green guy". The Avengers are basically fucking celebrities, why don't they use their names???

Is that an actual quote? I haven't watched it yet.
MugiwaraCole
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(03-21-2017, 12:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Is that an actual quote? I haven't watched it yet.

Yep. Verbatim, give or take a word or two.
nephilimdj
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(03-21-2017, 12:20 AM)
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No real shock, isnt agents of shield just based off the blu-ray extra where the 2 people rob a bank with the alien gun. everything is just thrown together randomly
Litan
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(03-21-2017, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

Fiege and Loeb don't get along so that's the big issue but it started even before them.

Whedon was insistent on continuity etc. wasn't actually that important. What happened in non Avengers movies etc. didn't matter because " you don't want people to be out of the loop if they skip half the mcu"

I agree with that. While I do want to see The Defenders show up in A3, I also don't want the TV and movie sides to become so connected that certain things start depending on you having seen an episode(s) to understand.

#MakeItConnectedButNotTooConnected
Ri'Orius
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(03-21-2017, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Aceun

No mention of Inhumans in the movies, especially when it's in the media and all over the place is weird. Iron Fist spoiler-ish It's my main problem with the early episodes of Iron Fist where you literally have aliens invading, but people have a hard time believing he was in a different dimension

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense for the Inhumans to not have been mentioned (especially when Tony and Steve are putting together their own teams in Civil War), but that sort of thing has always been an issue in Marvel (primarily with mutants, back when they were everywhere and Inhumans weren't). For instance, a lot of the time the public of New York City loves Spider-man, but hate mutants. Why haven't they concluded that Spidey is one of those good-for-nothing muties and his web is gonna get them all infected? Heck, how did we have millions of mutants pre-Decimation, making up the vast majority of powered individuals, yet the Avengers and similar teams have the one token mutant and then a half-dozen science lab accidents/polytheistic deities/normie with a gimmick?

Part of the appeal of the Marvel universe is that it's got a bunch of different characters doing their own thing. Sometimes they get together and it's cool, but most of the time Punisher is off dealing with gritty mob bosses while the X-Men are dealing with genocidal mutant haters while Cap is dealing with Hydra and Iron Fist is doing something in K'un-Lun. All different stories with different tones and themes that largely work best in isolation.

Heck, even at just the Netflix level, you've got Danny Rand who can occasionally make his fist indestructible and Luke Cage who's just always indestructible at all times. The latter kinda makes the former's "mastered kung fu, fought a dragon to earn a legendary power as the Immortal Iron Fist" seem way less badass when they're side by side.

The occasional crossover is cool, but the different characters in the Marvel universe don't play that well together, and you can't run the universe based on "what makes sense," because what makes sense would be for Superman and the Flash to solve all of Batman's street-level problems over a weekend and leave Batman to focus entirely on making the next anti-doomsday device. But people like it when Batman beats up goons and takes down the mob boss, so beat up goons and beat up mob bosses he shall.

Also, even when there are aliens and Inhumans running around, I'd bet the number of people who say "I'm from another dimension" and are just crazy still vastly outweighs the number of people who say it and are telling the truth. And in Danny's case 'con man' is also a much more believable explanation than 'sole survivor of plane crash, spent fifteen years in magic martial arts monastery.'
friskykillface
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(03-21-2017, 12:25 AM)
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Thanos gonna bring all the Netflix x tv marvel heroes in the movie to have more heroes fight him

Luke Cage vs Thanos hype
HoopzBarkley
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(03-21-2017, 12:26 AM)
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I would of been happy with even a small reference like if Ross said something like you guys even inspired or increased vigilantes and others claiming to be super heroes or something like that in Civil War.
antonz
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(03-21-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Litan

I agree with that. While I do want to see The Defenders show up in A3, I also don't want the TV and movie sides to become so connected that certain things start depending on you having seen an episode(s) to understand.

#MakeItConnectedButNotTooConnected

Oh that I agree with. The Movies should be the narrative driver. The shows supplement with expanded universe but nothing that is mandatory to enjoy the experience.

Whedon however had the view that even the other movies should not matter. Avengers movies were to be their own universe so character development in other movies etc. really didn't matter as that relied on people seeing the other movies.
ZeoVGM
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(03-21-2017, 12:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

Yep. Verbatim, give or take a word or two.

That's literally the opposite of verbatim. :P
Slayven
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(03-21-2017, 12:28 AM)
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People listening to Antony "make daddy a sandwich " Mackie?
ZeoVGM
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(03-21-2017, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by nephilimdj

No real shock, isnt agents of shield just based off the blu-ray extra where the 2 people rob a bank with the alien gun. everything is just thrown together randomly

No, that short is completely unrelated to AoS.

AoS has also had both Nick Fury and Sif appear in two separate episodes in important capacities. (Well, one of them was a cameo for Nick. His other episode was more than that.)
Fades
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(03-21-2017, 12:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

People listening to Antony "make daddy a sandwich " Mackie?

Yeah that's the thing. While he's probably right, Mackie certainly isn't some sort of authority on these things. Why would he know anything definitive about decisions on logistics made by higher-ups?
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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(03-21-2017, 12:39 AM)
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Yes it would, more like they won't pay us enough
Merkunt
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(03-21-2017, 12:42 AM)
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The world needs a Daredevil/Spider-Man crossover.
JustAnotherMike
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(03-21-2017, 12:46 AM)
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At this point in the MCU timeline I'm kinda not interested in any major crossover as I once was. Agents of Shield had their alien purple dude almost destroy the world and they now have a more interesting AI turned killer robot.
Litan
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(03-21-2017, 12:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

Oh that I agree with. The Movies should be the narrative driver. The shows supplement with expanded universe but nothing that is mandatory to enjoy the experience.

Whedon however had the view that even the other movies should not matter. Avengers movies were to be their own universe so character development in other movies etc. really didn't matter as that relied on people seeing the other movies.

I guess that explains some of the decisions he made in AoU, namely having a Helicarrier show up. Dude just didn't care.
ZeoVGM
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(03-21-2017, 12:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

Whedon however had the view that even the other movies should not matter. Avengers movies were to be their own universe so character development in other movies etc. really didn't matter as that relied on people seeing the other movies.

This is not remotely true. He never said anything of the sort.

The closest I can think is a comment he made that was taken out of context where he was trying to explain that, to the casual movie-goer, the Coulson is still dead. So having him just show up in AoU would require them to explain why he's alive and that simply wouldn't work for the film.

He absolutely does not view the "other movies" as a separate universe at all.
NOLA_Gaffer
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(03-21-2017, 12:56 AM)
I just want a 10-minute scene in Avengers 3 of the defenders fighting off some of Thanos mooks at street level. That'd be cool.
VeeP
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(03-21-2017, 12:59 AM)
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What's the point of even having them set in the "same universe" then, wtf? So now Kingpin will never be in Spiderman's movie? Or no Daredevi/SM cross over?
Fades
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(03-21-2017, 01:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

This is not remotely true. He never said anything of the sort.

The closest I can think is a comment he made that was taken out of context where he was trying to explain that, to the casual movie-goer, the Coulson is still dead. So having him just show up in AoU would require them to explain why he's alive and that simply wouldn't work for the film.

He absolutely does not view the "other movies" as a separate universe at all.

Which was a terrible way for him to cop-out to begin with, it doesn't take much more than a quick "After I was shot, SHIELD took me in. I got better." to explain away Coulson's resurrection, with the tongue-in-cheek implication of "if you want to know, watch my show". It's not like they had to explain the TAHITI project or GH on screen, and I really can't see people being that confused otherwise...and they already had the implication from The Avengers that his death and their motivations may not have been entirely what it seemed (the baseball card thing).

I'm kind of disappointed for Clark Gregg's sake that it doesn't seem like he'll get his Iron Fist cameo/crossover. I mean yeah we all know now how Iron Fist turned out, but the dude is still a fan of the character.
Rumblebones
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(03-21-2017, 01:13 AM)
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Fuck Feige and fuck Loeb and fuck Perlmutter most of all.
Will the Thrill
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Originally Posted by Merkunt

The world needs a Daredevil/Spider-Man crossover.

I wonder if we'll get a hint at anything in Homecoming, considering all of the Netflix Marvel stuff takes place in New York. "Oh man Peter did you hear about all the other super powered people running around" obviously not said like that, but there should probably at least be like something.

I'd settle for some newspaper you won't really notice the first time in a frame just having some sort of reference lol
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(03-21-2017, 01:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by IdreamofHIME

But Samuel L Jackson, Jaimie Alexander and Colbie Smulders have all been in Agents of Shield?

Agent Sitwell too..
brinstar
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(03-21-2017, 01:32 AM)
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I don't know why just a passing reference here or there is so bad, especially in the NY scenes.
Dryk
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(03-21-2017, 01:35 AM)
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Rogue One is better about this than any of the Marvel movies will probably ever be. It's really unfortunate.

Originally Posted by HoopzBarkley

I would of been happy with even a small reference like if Ross said something like you guys even inspired or increased vigilantes and others claiming to be super heroes or something like that in Civil War.

The fact that Ross doesn't bring up the whole Inhumans are everywhere thing was really jarring.
xsarien
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Marvel TV has gone out of its way to keep the door open. They've never done a thing to make it canonically weird, with the lone exception of a sloppy shot of midtown Manhattan in Jessica Jones that seemed to exclude the Avengers Tower.

Originally Posted by VeeP

What's the point of even having them set in the "same universe" then, wtf? So now Kingpin will never be in Spiderman's movie? Or no Daredevi/SM cross over?

This is the biggest disappointment of the Fiege/Perlmutter fight. Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin was incredible, and if I could pick one TV character to crossover it'd be him.
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(03-21-2017, 01:39 AM)
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That explanation lacks any sort of reasoning. It's basically saying, "It wouldn't work because it won't work," which is just dumb. It has worked in the past for Agents of SHIELD, but it seems like someone decided recently that they don't want to do it anymore. At this rate, Rosario Dawson is gonna be the only actor that'll be allowed to appear in multiple Marvel properties.
pixelation
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(03-21-2017, 01:45 AM)
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GOOD, it would be akin to standard cars racing along premium ones in past Gran Turismo games.
badcrumble
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(03-21-2017, 01:48 AM)
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The (largely not great) tv shows should not and will not ever be required viewing to understand anything that happens in any of the movies.
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That's an odd statement. It could easily happen. Like here: a TV character makes a cameo in a film. There, it's done.

And they're clearly in the same universe. First there's AoS and (weep) Agent Carter. Beyond that they make numerous references in the Netflix shows.
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He's absolutely right. Keep them separate, they're much too different on a tonal level to ever work.

I love most of the MCU, but those films are sugar coated as hell. It wouldn't click with the more brutal tone of DD and JJ.

The reverse is also true. I grind my teeth whenever someone on the Netflix shows mentions "THE BIG GREEN DUDE?" or "DUDE WITH THE HAMMER?" because it's so jarring. It doesn't work.

Originally Posted by xsarien

Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin was incredible, and if I could pick one TV character to crossover it'd be him.

Kingpin bursts open a man's head with a car door. That's something you're never going to see in the films.
Abounder
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Hell no it wouldn't work. talk about a micromanaging nightmare. Not only are they 2 different studios, the film people work on a TV-like schedule and can't be bothered with the chance of a series collapsing ala Agent Carter. And just think about renegotiating all those multimillion dollar contracts to include worthwhile cameos, seems like a huge waste of money and time - remember ya'll they already struggle to keep actors like Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving interested. These spheres are better off separated but I can see how it would be somewhat annoying for superfans.
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Litan
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Originally Posted by J_Viper

He's absolutely right. Keep them separate, they're much too different on a tonal level to ever work.

I love most of the MCU, but those films are sugar coated as hell. It wouldn't click with the more brutal tone of DD and JJ.

The reverse is also true. I grind my teeth whenever someone on the Netflix shows mentions "THE BIG GREEN DUDE?" or "DUDE WITH THE HAMMER?" because it's so jarring. It doesn't work.



Kingpin bursts open a man's head with a car door. That's something you're never going to see in the films.

Once again, this is pure nonsense.
Comics with different tones cross over ALL THE TIME.
People talk as if Kingpin won't work in the movies unless he's popping someone's head like a grapefruit.
MCU movies have things like Bucky punching Howard Stark's face in, Cross turning a man to goop and flushing him down the toilet, Winter Soldier throwing Sitwell into the path of a truck, the hand-to-hand combat in WS and CW is plenty brutal and hard-hitting.

All the Netflix characters will work just fine in PG13.
LionPride
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Originally Posted by J_Viper

He's absolutely right. Keep them separate, they're much too different on a tonal level to ever work.

I love most of the MCU, but those films are sugar coated as hell. It wouldn't click with the more brutal tone of DD and JJ.

The reverse is also true. I grind my teeth whenever someone on the Netflix shows mentions "THE BIG GREEN DUDE?" or "DUDE WITH THE HAMMER?" because it's so jarring. It doesn't work.



Kingpin bursts open a man's head with a car door. That's something you're never going to see in the films.

The lamest fucking excuse lmao
ZeoVGM
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Originally Posted by Litan

Once again, this is pure nonsense.
Comics with different tones cross over ALL THE TIME.
People talk as if Kingpin won't work in the movies unless he's popping someone's head like a grapefruit.
MCU movies have things like Bucky punching Howard Stark's face in, Cross turning a man to goop and flushing him down the toilet, Winter Soldier throwing Sitwell into the path of a truck, the hand-to-hand combat in WS and CW is plenty brutal and hard-hitting.

All the Netflix characters will work just fine in PG13.

Thank you for saying this.

This is what is so fantastic about comics to comic fans. This is the beauty of a shared universe.
Exploratory
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Originally Posted by J_Viper

He's absolutely right. Keep them separate, they're much too different on a tonal level to ever work.

I love most of the MCU, but those films are sugar coated as hell. It wouldn't click with the more brutal tone of DD and JJ.

The reverse is also true. I grind my teeth whenever someone on the Netflix shows mentions "THE BIG GREEN DUDE?" or "DUDE WITH THE HAMMER?" because it's so jarring. It doesn't work.



Kingpin bursts open a man's head with a car door. That's something you're never going to see in the films.

lol I'm sorry what? First of all Shield and The Avengers have essentially the same tone Shield is just darker. And Iron Fist/ Luke Cage aren't that far off.

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