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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO

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fallengorn

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Good first episode. The twist between Teddy and the Gunslinger/Man in Black was great.

Really interested in where they're taking him now that he's a guest.
 
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ryseing

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Macattk15 said:
I think Ed Harris is also a robot. What he is doing ... or why the operators don't seem to notice or care ... I do not know.
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They've explicitly said in pre premiere talk that Harris's character is a human, basically their reverse analogue to the man in black from the original film.
 
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More_Badass

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fallengorn said:
Good first episode. The twist between Teddy and the Gunslinger/Man in Black was great.

Really interested in where they're taking him now that he's a guest.
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Also an interesting way of keeping the unstoppable Terminator aspect by making him a guest. They can shoot him but he'll just keep coming
 
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Pocks

Member
If this is a physical world, why is that Teddy can shoot at Ed Harris without injuring him? I understand if it's coded into the hosts that they can't harm a guest, but he acted by pulling the trigger multiple times. Blanks wouldn't make sense because the same gun killed other hosts.

It must be something simple. What am I missing?
 
PepperedHam

PepperedHam

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That was perfect, I loved every second of it. Damn is the soundtrack on fire, that Paint It Black rendition was so good. This has checked so many boxes for me and I couldn't be happier, hoping for years out of this show.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
Zabka said:
And yet he is being portrayed as a rapist. He spent the episode committing villainous acts with glee. Therefore, I am happy to see him in a villainous role this episode.
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But you have no idea what his motives are, if he raped anyone, or actually has committed a villainous act.
 
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jfkgoblue

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Zabka said:
And yet he is being portrayed as a rapist. He spent the episode committing villainous acts with glee. Therefore, I am happy to see him in a villainous role this episode.
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The park advertises itself as the hosts being nonhuman and them not really suffering. IMO it makes it hard to judge him based on his interactions with the hosts.
 
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JoeBoy101

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Pocks said:
If this is a physical world, why is that Teddy can shoot at Ed Harris without injuring him? I understand if it's coded into the hosts that they can't harm a guest, but he acted by pulling the trigger multiple times. Blanks wouldn't make sense because the same gun killed other hosts.

It must be something simple. What am I missing?
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I imagine their guns are not 'just' guns. Remember, the intro showed them building them especially. I imagine all firearms are set not to eject a bullet at any guest. Remember, this is fairly far future here.

jfkgoblue said:
The park advertises itself as the hosts being nonhuman and them not really suffering. IMO it makes it hard to judge him based on his interactions with the hosts.
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Is the action evil, even if there is no living, feeling victim who it harms? That's a core concept surrounding the show. That and where sentience begins and ends. Is his actions akin to indulging in deviant porn, or is it more than that? And if so, why?

These kinds of questions are part of the reason I love how the show presents itself.
 
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More_Badass

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Pocks said:
If this is a physical world, why is that Teddy can shoot at Ed Harris without injuring him? I understand if it's coded into the hosts that they can't harm a guest, but he acted by pulling the trigger multiple times. Blanks wouldn't make sense because the same gun killed other hosts.

It must be something simple. What am I missing?
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One possibility I'm imagining is that Ed Harris is a host who gained self-awareness and is trying to study and understand it

PepperedHam said:
That was perfect, I loved every second of it. Damn is the soundtrack on fire, that Paint It Black rendition was so good. This has checked so many boxes for me and I couldn't be happier, hoping for years out of this show.
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Yes, it was exactly what I wanted. The bleak cynical sci-fi mixed with the almost generic Western was so effective.

Chase17 said:
Wait, it's a physical world?

How's that supposed to work.
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Did you not see all the robots being made and tested? It's like a really advanced "It's A Small World" + ARG/LARPing
 
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Chase17

Member
I liked the music for the most part. The whole shootout/heist scene was pretty much ruined for me with the paint it black rendition though, as I spent most of it focused on what the son was.
 
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Zabka

Member
Sanjuro said:
But you have no idea what his motives are, if he raped anyone, or actually has committed a villainous act.
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I don't understand what your boggle is. The show is clearly portraying him as a villain in this episode. Whether that is a cover for a later twist or reveal or not is irrelevant to the statement I made.

I like watching Ed Harris be an evil prick. I got that.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
Zabka said:
I don't understand what your boggle is. The show is clearly portraying him as a villain in this episode. Whether that is a cover for a later twist or reveal or not is irrelevant to the statement I made.

I like watching Ed Harris be an evil prick. I got that.
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Congrats!
 
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Wag

Member
Chase17 said:
Wait, it's a physical world?

How's that supposed to work.

Clean up crew must be working overtime.
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It's a fully functioning "mini-World".

There is clearly down-time between sessions when the village resets itself, that's when everything gets cleaned up and repaired.
 
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Chase17

Member
More_Badass said:
Did you not see all the robots being made and tested? It's like a really advanced "It's A Small World" + ARG/LARPing
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Edit: nvm post above me answers

I was seeing it as a matrix thing for some reason.

Edit 2: explains why that guy was ready to get a picture
 
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serenewarfare

Banned
Wow. That pilot was amazing. Everything from the performances to the writing to the cinematography was pitch perfect. Seemed like it was a hellish production, but I'd say it turned out for the best.

Can't wait to see how it goes going forward.
 
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jfkgoblue

Member
serenewarfare said:
Wow. That pilot was amazing. Everything from the performances to the writing to the cinematography was pitch perfect. Seemed like it was a hellish production, but I'd say it turned out for the best.

Can't wait to see how it goes going forward.
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Read somewhere that they spent $100 million on production
 
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SeanC

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Very dense first episode, this show has a lot of things to juggle and seems to be doing a fine job doing so. Really looking forward to more.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
Zabka said:
Thanks. Always glad to help you when you get confused.
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How am I confused?

You are expressing displeasure regarding any conversation beyond, "Ed Harris is bad. I like bad Ed Harris.", in a discussion thread after the premiere episode.
 
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ezekial45

Banned
Once it was clear that it was set after the first movie, I was hoping I'd see Yul Brynner's character as one of the synths in the storage room.
 
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fallengorn

Bitches love smiley faces
ezekial45 said:
Maybe? Or perhaps they just fixed him up and put him back in after the events of the movie.

That's what happened in Futureworld, but I'm assuming that's not a part of cannon.
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Oh yeah, the sequel. Never got around to watching it.

Edit: Reading the synopsis of Futureworld, there's no way that's canon for the show.
 
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Pocks

Member
JoeBoy101 said:
I imagine their guns are not 'just' guns. Remember, the intro showed them building them especially. I imagine all firearms are set not to eject a bullet at any guest. Remember, this is fairly far future here.

[snip]
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That seems reasonable. It's worth noting that the hosts guns do affect the environment though, so projectiles must be firing from the weapon. It's hard to imagine a failsafe weapon that prevents harm of humans.

I'd love to get more information from the showrunners. Perhaps we'll get an explanation in a later episode. Otherwise my suspension of disbelief is in danger.
 
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scorcher59

Member
I don´t know if it was meant to be but the underlying tone of the whole episode (and maybe the whole show) is that there's something seriously fucked up about this whole park thing...
I love it!
I do feel it might get a bit too heavy but then again still have got a ways to go
 
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Tangled Up in Blue

Banned
More_Badass said:
1) There seems to be some ulterior movies behind testing and designing lifelike AI/machines given that talk about management and shareholders

2) Ed Harris' character seems interested in exploiting and understanding how the machines work.

3) The show made us assume he's a guest given that he couldn't get hurt, but we never see him on or around the train.
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Yeah, my guess is that Harris is a host who has become self-aware and has learned how to hide from the sensors. He knows it's all fake and he wants out to be a real boy. #TrumanShow2016
 
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Fantastical

Death Prophet
Really didn't feel much about this pilot... which is kind of damning. Not bad but I'm certainly not dying to see the next episode.

Hopefully it hooks me in the next few weeks.
 
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derder

Member
Too dense. Getting some vibes from The Walking Dead where they reveal concepts too quickly.

I still prefer the LOST pacing even if they went off the rails a bit.
 
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