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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT| It's Time For Silly OT Titles...TO END...

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eFKac

Member
Watched it yesterday.

It's between this and Attack of the Clones as my least favourite Star Wars movie.
It has better acting and probably a bit better script than AotC but the tone, cliches, cheese, some of the plot devices and plot holes are the worst in the series.

I would be like "meh it was ok, I liked some things, some things didn't work for me" if it ended after the
Snoke (what a fucking waste of a villain btw) ship battle.
The third act made me think that the movie is not somewhat flawed and silly but very self-aware and parody of itself with the amount of stupidity and cheese on screen. Which would be fine but I can't help but feel like someone spit on a series that is important to me.
 
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'Heaven Sniper

Neo Member
Just came back from an IMAX viewing at the globe theater in Philly. I wouldn’t recommend seeing it like this... felt a little nauseous with the fishbowl effect. Anyway I think this is my favorite Star Wars, followed in order by Empire, A New Hope, Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Revenge of the Sith. Lots of misdirection and
Luke is the real MVP of the movie. He was perfect.

I went with a group of 5 and half loved and half hated it. It’s definitely one of the most divisive Star Wars. It’s absolutely true when Luke says in the trailer, “This is not going to go the way you think.” Props to the director. No one can say TLJ is derivative or that Rian Johnson didn’t take any risks. The newly announced trilogy is in good hands.

I frickin loved it! Can’t wait to see it 7 more times.
 
PaddyOCanager

PaddyOCanager

Member
Just got home from the theater, extremely disappointed and feeling crushed in so many ways. I'm completely baffled by the positive reviews/impressions. This movie is objectively bad.
 
Stiflers Mom

Stiflers Mom

Banned
This movie feels is this trilogys "Spectre" to me.

There is so much ridiculous bullshit happening.
Most of the stuff was already mentioned in this thread...

Shit stuff:

* magic Space Leia was horrible
* space Monte Carlo was prequel levels of bad
* all those "helpful good" animals and its message of "nature is holy"
* jobber Snoke
* horribly choreographed fight with his guard
* Laura Dern as Admiral "L'oreal" Holdo. I know SW has a history of female leaders wearing dresses, but does it have to be a night gown?
* Those AT-ATs shooting at Luke Bullshit. Scene felt like a Pirates of the Carribean movie...
* General Hux is all around horrible because he is too cartoonish. Was already in the first movie, but in this movie it went overboard with the silliness. Krennic from Rogue one was a thousand times the better villain.

good stuff:
* I actually liked the beakless penguins
* movie had some good timed jokes. Not sure if it wasn't too much, though.
* I actually liked Yoda and his belittling of Luke, although the whole scene felt a bit "forced".

stuff I am not sure about:
This movies third act is actually super dark. I mean, that was basically a last stand of already only a few people who got wiped out by their enemy. Reminded me of Rogue One there. Not sure if I wanted to see something like this in a main line Star Wars movie though. Especially with some super ridiculous jokes strewn in all the time.

This movie rates barely above the prequels to me.

I'd give this movie 6/10.

For reference:

ANH 9/10
ESB 10/10
ROT 8/10

TFA 9/10

(and the prequels:
TPM 6/10
AOC 1/10
ROS 4/10)

and Rogue One gets a solid
8/10 from me
 
Agent_Carnage

Agent_Carnage

Member
I dident really like TFA but I thought overall The Last Jedi was good. It had some very questionable moments in it but I thought it was good.
 
finowns

finowns

Member
I was really disappointed in TFA and had no interest in TLJ but now I'm a little curious after reading some comments.

Anyone not like TFA and also not like TLJ?
 
graffix13

graffix13

Member
I can't wait until a few months from now and all the hype and advertisements for this movie have died down.

I think once that happens people will be more willing to admit this movie sucked. The more I think about it this is the worst SW movie to date.

Good luck with that new trilogy, Mr. Johnson. I won't be seeing it.
 
ShodanMAN

ShodanMAN

Member
In regards to the Fin/Rose scenes, does anyone else think that a certain stable boy is the set up for Rian Johnson's trilogy?
 
JimiNutz

JimiNutz

Banned
finowns said:
I was really disappointed in TFA and had no interest in TLJ but now I'm a little curious after reading some comments.

Anyone not like TFA and also not like TLJ?
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I didn't really like TFA and I didn't really like TLJ either. The only one of the recent films that I've somewhat enjoyed was Rogue One.

I'd say TLJ is marginally better than TFA because it has the advantage of being able to go straight to the action and doesn't have to set up as much as TFA did. TLJ has way more plot holes and wasted potential though. JJ gave Rian quite a lot to work with by the end of TFA but Rian squandered almost all of it with his lazy script.
 
Crazyorloco

Crazyorloco

Member
It was okay.

I didn’t like that we got our first light saber battle
so late in the movie... it was more than an hour into the film.
That’s when the movie became better for me. There were too many cheesy moments for me. I thought it was still an entertaining film, but a let down for a Star Wars film. What’s next for the final film? Kylo/Rey battle? This feels too predictable.

Crankshaft said:
I came out of the Last Jedi and had a new appreciation for Force Awakens.
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This is exactly what happened to me. I thought well force awakens is great compared to this.
 
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cereal_killerxx

Junior Member
I'll be honest. I felt really underwhelmed watching this.

Luke felt really out of character. Fin's sacrifice at the end didn't make any sense for a man that has been trying to run from the First Order for 2 movies. And overall, it was just missing something that I can't put my finger on.
 
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Vooduu

Member
cereal_killerxx said:
I'll be honest. I felt really underwhelmed watching this.

And overall, it was just missing something that I can't put my finger on.
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It’s because we spent one film rehashing ideas while throwing in some new then this film tries to establish that Disney SW is a new era by wiping the slate clean. They took Luke, a character that could’ve had a rich story with examples from the EU, a character who has been established since the original, and tried to send a message that left fans with a sour taste. They tried too hard to be different without realizing that, yes...a little fanservice isn’t bad.

I know fans are 50/50 about Rey with myself being the in “hater” camp but honestly, there are ways to deliver fan service while still making something rich and unique. I see a side online of people praising Rian but I still felt like Rey’s arc is a cheap way of trying to move Star Wars in a different direction.

This isn’t criticizing the movie on the same regards as the prequels or even the original trilogy, this is clearly a Disney rooted film that makes me ultimately not like the direction of the franchise.

Kylo Ren is done so right, I have to give credit there. I’m really liking his arc but again, he was partially, maybe even majorly, derived from EU material. Something I wish Disney apparently did more of.
 
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cereal_killerxx

Junior Member
Vooduu said:
It’s because we spent one film rehashing ideas while throwing in some new then this film tries to establish that Disney SW is a new era by wiping the slate clean. They took Luke, a character that could’ve had a rich story with examples from the EU, a character who has been established since the original, and tried to send a message that left fans with a sour taste. They tried too hard to be different without realizing that, yes...a little fanservice isn’t bad.

I know fans are 50/50 about Rey with myself being the in “hater” camp but honestly, there are ways to deliver fan service while still making something rich and unique. I see a side online of people praising Rian but I still felt like Rey’s arc is a cheap way of trying to move Star Wars in a different direction.

This isn’t criticizing the movie on the same regards as the prequels or even the original trilogy, this is clearly a Disney rooted film that makes me ultimately not like the direction of the franchise.

Kylo Ren is done so right, I have to give credit there. I’m really liking his arc but again, he was partially, maybe even majorly, derived from EU material. Something I wish Disney apparently did more of.
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I enjoyed that Rey ended up being a nobody after all. Still not sure how I feel about the rest of her arc though.
 
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Vooduu

Member
cereal_killerxx said:
I enjoyed that Rey ended up being a nobody after all. Still not sure how I feel about the rest of her arc though.
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Tbh, I would be ok with that if Luke survived. His death cuts his arc off. Why can’t they let him survive and build character too?
And that’s one of my biggest issues with TLJ/Disney Star Wars. You want to build new characters but right now they’re ok with
killing characters
instead of building them. They have a problem with establishing many characters on screen and can’t seem to find the formula, or not even trying because these movies are going to get pumped out like no other, that will make a truly expanding universe. Marvel gets away with it because separate films can help establish history before culiminating into something greater, i.e. the avengers. Disney Star Wars is like fuck it, we’re telling fans it’s a new era, hold onto your seats while some of us are like “why can’t the oldies come along too?” They obviously had this mindset for Leia but I guess screw everyone else.
 
Meifu

Meifu

Member
Dude...

I cringed so many times throughout this. Even my friend who is a general hater was like "I may be a hater, but cmon now that was whack"...I have to agree, movie was pretty out of tone
 
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The_blonde_and_blue

Member
Man, I came here after seeing it and thinking "meh" overall, fully expecting to be cast out and flamed. But it seems I'm not the only one who expected this to be much better than it was after all the crazy hype.

The movie was beautiful (stunning actually), and the added humor was great, but this really felt more like prequel level stuff. The second trailer had me hyped out of my mind, and I was looking forward to seeing the conflicts I've been waiting for payoff.

I had problems with TFA, but I still enjoyed the movie overall and thought it a worthwhile addition to the franchise. I left Rogue One with a very similar feeling to TLJ. It was very "meh" overall, and the only scene is really enjoyed was
Vader going HAM on the rebels in the end (only because we've heard he's the most terrifying person in the galaxy, but we've never seen him do anything remotely intimidating until then IMO).

Cons:
  • I was hyped to see
    Phasma finally do something, and Luke to come and whip some ass. But none of the fights were worth their build up.
  • Snoke was completely wasted.
  • The final battle, while neat in concept didn't really live up to what I expected from a
    Luke/Ren final
    showdown.
  • All of Luke scenes we're annoying after the first 5 minutes of brooding.
    We get it, he's mad/sad. I can't pinpoint why they fell flat, or why it felt like they just went on forever or did not feel genuine, but it didn't gel overall for me. The lessons, the change from "go away" to "okay" felt off, I dunno.

Pros:
  • Beautiful movie. Many scenes were absolutely stunning, some of the best in the trilogy.
  • Humor was on point.
  • The twist was interesting, and I liked seeing both sides of it.
  • Yoda
    scene pretty great.
  • I think Ren's and Rey's character arcs are pretty interesting, and I am curious to see where they go
    (and what the next movie in general is going to be like with Snoke gone).

Star Wars movies have a tough balance to get right, I know that. I feel like I'm being a bit tough on the movie, and maybe it'll fair better on another watch.
 
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SoldierOfLight

Member
They really should've just let the people who worked on Clone wars just take care of this new trilogy instead of picking a director out of a hat.

Now it's just Star Wars as interpreted by...


Someone said they would rather watch the prequels 10 times lol

I usually rewatch in theater a 2nd time but I'll skip this one and wait for Blu Ray release.
 
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ares04

Neo Member
It didn't feel like a Second movie in a Trilogy but more of a continuing story if that makes sense...they didn't leave many loose ends so I'd be surprise to see what episode IX looks like and how they will address Carrie fisher's passing on screen.
 
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Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
Vooduu said:
Tbh, I would be ok with that if Luke survived. His death cuts his arc off. Why can’t they let him survive and build character too?
And that’s one of my biggest issues with TLJ/Disney Star Wars. You want to build new characters but right now they’re ok with
killing characters
instead of building them. They have a problem with establishing many characters on screen and can’t seem to find the formula, or not even trying because these movies are going to get pumped out like no other, that will make a truly expanding universe. Marvel gets away with it because separate films can help establish history before culiminating into something greater, i.e. the avengers. Disney Star Wars is like fuck it, we’re telling fans it’s a new era, hold onto your seats while some of us are like “why can’t the oldies come along too?” They obviously had this mindset for Leia but I guess screw everyone else.
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You're right people defending TLJ have to realize it does not exist in a vacuum and to shit all over the OT and it's characters to prop up new characters seems cheap. They could have placed this trilogy further in the future where all the ot characters were dead but it seems Disney want to have their cake and eat it too.
 
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Kimawolf

Member
I think all in all it was a good movie. I know some folks are mad at how certain things went down, but this was basically a deconstruction of all the mythos to begin something new which I think is needed. My only complaint really is Snoke. How they handled him was baffling, but everything else is great.

Also this movie is fairly dark and really sets up the stakes for the third movie.

Rebellion is over basically. Their armada was decimated and entire command structure obliterated save for Leia and Poe now. Luke, their savior dead, with the First Order now having a even more ruthless/insane ruler. The "help" the resistance was waiting on never coming also added to the darkness of the movie, it really was a hopeless affair. Now comes the 3rd movie, where I imagine folks will have settled into the third order rule and whatever is left of the rebellion/republic WILL truly be terrorists/rag tag group.
 
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Days like these...

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Kimawolf said:
I think all in all it was a good movie. I know some folks are mad at how certain things went down, but this was basically a deconstruction of all the mythos to begin something new which I think is needed. My only complaint really is Snoke. How they handled him was baffling, but everything else is great.

Also this movie is fairly dark and really sets up the stakes for the third movie.

Rebellion is over basically. Their armada was decimated and entire command structure obliterated save for Leia and Poe now. Luke, their savior dead, with the First Order now having a even more ruthless/insane ruler. The "help" the resistance was waiting on never coming also added to the darkness of the movie, it really was a hopeless affair. Now comes the 3rd movie, where I imagine folks will have settled into the third order rule and whatever is left of the rebellion/republic WILL truly be terrorists/rag tag group.
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Your thoughts on
Super Leia, jobber/nobody Snoke, Rey random, fin being upstaged, Luke being a broken old man and how exactly did the rebellion fuck up so bad after ROTJ
 
Nikana

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
finowns said:
I was really disappointed in TFA and had no interest in TLJ but now I'm a little curious after reading some comments.

Anyone not like TFA and also not like TLJ?
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Force awakens broken extremely disappointed due to the lack of originality and I walked out of the Last Jedi extremely confused as to how it's getting such high reviews considering it's the longest Star Wars movie and I feel like nothing happened.

I've never cared so little about characters and the long-run time made me feel like they had heard people like myself explain that Star Wars is much more than the spectacle it's about the characters.

Yet here I am two and a half hours later and my gut reaction is that I actually dislike this even more than the force awakens which I didn't think was possible.
 
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Kimawolf

Member
Days like these... said:
Your thoughts on
Super Leia, jobber/nobody Snoke, Rey random, fin being upstaged, Luke being a broken old man and how exactly did the rebellion fuck up so bad after ROTJ
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Well
I actually liked Leia having her "force moment". she was always strong in the force. so that didn't bother me. Jedi/strong force people do feats all the time. Snok was a big problem for me actually. I REALLY didn't like how they handled him. Finn was wasted yes, even his big moment, he was wasted. and Luke seemed perfect to me.

As for the Rebillion losing? They didn't "win". they just destroyed the Death Star. The empire still had billions of troops, thousands of vessels, its entire command structure save the "mystic mumbo jumbo" folks still existed. So i can see how the Rebellion simply didn't make any real end roads.
 
kunonabi

kunonabi

Member
Days like these... said:
You're right people defending TLJ have to realize it does not exist in a vacuum and to shit all over the OT and it's characters to prop up new characters seems cheap. They could have placed this trilogy further in the future where all the ot characters were dead but it seems Disney want to have their cake and eat it too.
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That's the awkward position I'm in with this new trilogy. From the very beginning I wanted new characters, new worlds, and a new status quo. Abrahms said to hell with all that and it feels like Johnson is over course correcting.

If he wanted to subvert expectations and carve out a new path without poking fun and outright disrespecting what came before I'd have been fine with that. If you want to be different be different but don't make a show of it then sit there and slap yourself on the back for the audience to watch.

On a surface level Johnson did do some of what I wanted for this trilogy but his execution was just woeful.

A SW movie with Christie, Dern, and Boyega should have been a slam dunk for me and yet here we are.
 
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Drake

Member
So I'll just come out and say it. The 93% Rotten Tomatoes is because Disney paid for good reviews. The fan score is much more telling. 59% and dropping.
 
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borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Drake said:
So I'll just come out and say it. The 93% Rotten Tomatoes is because Disney paid for good reviews. The fan score is much more telling. 59% and dropping.
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what a ridiculous statement (the paid part)... get over it.

the critic reviews were critics reviewing a movie unto itself.

the user review are the sounds of thousands of headcanon victims, crying out in pain. and it is glorious.

overall.. they could have eliminated
the casino planet, and the whole thing with needing to disable that tracker and just left it at that they couldn't. they could have still developed rose and Finn by them just talking to each other.
outside of that (which probably would have shaved 25 minutes of time off) I loved the movie. easily the deepest and most interesting story in the film saga. Still not as tight and cohesive as ESB.. but an overall more interesting story..
 
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Setmeni

Member
borghe said:
what a ridiculous statement (the paid part)... get over it.

the critic reviews were critics reviewing a movie unto itself.

the user review are the sounds of thousands of headcanon victims, crying out in pain. and it is glorious.

overall.. they could have eliminated
the casino planet, and the whole thing with needing to disable that tracker and just left it at that they couldn't. they could have still developed rose and Finn by them just talking to each other.
outside of that (which probably would have shaved 25 minutes of time off) I loved the movie. easily the deepest and most interesting story in the film saga. Still not as tight and cohesive as ESB.. but an overall more interesting story..
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How exactly was a two and a half hour “car chase” where everything everyone did was pointless the most interesting story in the film saga? Not to mention making killing off Snoke in a terrible way and pretty much just refilming Hoth at the end of the movie but saying it was salt so we wouldn’t immediately draw the Hoth comparison?
 
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Mark Andrew

Member
Rotten Tomatoes audience score is now lower than that of The Phantom Menace. I thought TLJ was nothing more than mediocre, but Jesus Christ.
 
CaptainSmirnov

CaptainSmirnov

Member
Audience score doesn't mean much to me since Force Awakens is one of the weakest Star Wars movies for me and it's in the 80s. Some of these opinions are troubling but I'll get to see for myself in 8 hours
 
kunonabi

kunonabi

Member
Mark Andrew said:
Rotten Tomatoes audience score is now lower than that of The Phantom Menace. I thought TLJ was nothing more than mediocre, but Jesus Christ.
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It's only 1% higher than Attack of the Clones. I find that hilarious since I'm one of only two people I know that loves Attack of the Clones.
 
Rocket Number 22

Rocket Number 22

Member
Drake said:
So I'll just come out and say it. The 93% Rotten Tomatoes is because Disney paid for good reviews. The fan score is much more telling. 59% and dropping.
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Yup, there is so many youtube reviewers who were at the advanced screening and SO SO MANY of them are calling it the best movie ever.....

It's painfully obvious whats going on
 
Andodalf

Andodalf

Banned
Rocket Number 22 said:
Yup, there is so many youtube reviewers who were at the advanced screening and SO SO MANY of them are calling it the best movie ever.....

It's painfully obvious whats going on
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I think it’s the best Star Wars movie and a great movie period. Am I a shill? Is a check coming in?
 
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opoth

Banned
TFA triggered everyone who grew up with the PT, now it's time for the OT fanboys.

The winners? Those in either camp who can accept change.
 
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bill0527

Member
I think Justice League has something like an 80%+ audience approval score.

That pretty much tells me how much stock I need to put in rotten tomatoes audience review percentages.
 
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opoth said:
TFA triggered everyone who grew up with the PT, now it's time for the OT fanboys.

The winners? Those in either camp who can accept change.
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The winners are people who realize it's just a film. I hated the rehash that was TFA. I accepted that these films aren't for me and just moved on. TLJ just cements my realization.

People giddy as a school girl over others have meltdowns are just as bad as the people having meltdowns imo and both equally childish.
 
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bill0527

Member
Rocket Number 22 said:
Well I highly doubt you are a professional movie critic and you are clearly in the minority if you look at the fast dropping tomato score.
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So we're using rotten tomatoes audience review system as a way to gauge who is a shill or not?

A system that can easily be manipulated by bots.

A system that has Justice League sitting at 80% audience approval rating?
 
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caffeware

Banned
CaptainSmirnov said:
Audience score doesn't mean much to me since Force Awakens is one of the weakest Star Wars movies for me and it's in the 80s. Some of these opinions are troubling but I'll get to see for myself in 8 hours
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I'm looking forward to your review.

If you though tfa was bad, boy are you for a dissapoiment.
 
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