Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Same here, it gets me to try things I would never buy. Plus it saves money on random impulse buys when I'm bored because there's usually something new I can try from Plus/Gold.
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I completely forgot you have to pay to play online on consoles
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Same here, it gets me to try things I would never buy. Plus it saves money on random impulse buys when I'm bored because there's usually something new I can try from Plus/Gold.
Clockwork5
Member
It's real inexpensive and I like the free games.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
It is what it is OP. People will pay for convenience and that's pretty much that. I know the argument of Steam is always brought up but people aren't versed on playing games on their computers and would rather buy consoles to do so.
In a way, PC gaming gets away with not costing anything for distributor like steam. Like the least they can do is make playing online free since they are doing just that, but gaming console companies have to make the box, make the games and host other peoples games. Even have to fund some of them and help with marketing cost.....so yeah, paying for online access is wrong but it's also a small inconvenience for me to pay for considering they handle so much of the hard work that we really aren't paying that much for, multi-million dollar company or not. That's just how I see it, so I'll pay for that convenience. And now, there's benefits to paying which isn't just paying to play online but added discounts and free (rentable) games that are yours as long as you have the service, etc etc etc.
In a way, PC gaming gets away with not costing anything for distributor like steam. Like the least they can do is make playing online free since they are doing just that, but gaming console companies have to make the box, make the games and host other peoples games. Even have to fund some of them and help with marketing cost.....so yeah, paying for online access is wrong but it's also a small inconvenience for me to pay for considering they handle so much of the hard work that we really aren't paying that much for, multi-million dollar company or not. That's just how I see it, so I'll pay for that convenience. And now, there's benefits to paying which isn't just paying to play online but added discounts and free (rentable) games that are yours as long as you have the service, etc etc etc.
On my Xbox One, I pay $40 a year for 4 games a month (48 games a year).
It's an insane value and eliminates the sting of paying for multiplayer.
But you know what, I'd pay $40 a year for Xbox Live even without the free games.
I don't miss my PC multiplayer days at all, god that sucked and still does.
It's an insane value and eliminates the sting of paying for multiplayer.
But you know what, I'd pay $40 a year for Xbox Live even without the free games.
I don't miss my PC multiplayer days at all, god that sucked and still does.
Abilidebob
Member
You can't possibly be serious right now.
Sweet Bellic
Member
Obvious troll is obvious... but OP isn't wrong. One of many reasons why I gravitated to PC.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Well done, you've successfully managed to evade the point and it looks like it won't be coming back any time soon. Since you seem to have done all that you can to miss what I was trying to say, I'll just repeat my condensed viewpoint so it's clear:
Your multiple replies of insults and condescension do more to put people off PC Gaming and the attributed elite attitude surrounding it than PS+ does to push people away from consoles. Of course you really don't care about the industry and the affect paid-online has on it, instead preferring to have a pedestal to stand on so you can belittle others from it.
Let's see:
prag16 said:
prag16 said:
What a contemptuous attitude to hold, embarrassing when you seem to view yourself as some beacon of light across gaming.
It's the new talking point for why things console platform holders do are fine.
Making Hardware means anti consumer things are fine. It popped up during the Steam 30% sale cut thread.
prag16
Banned
The ๖ۜBronx;249449415 said:
Stop requoting the post that I deleted. I acknowledged that it was too far, and not in the interest of any sort of rational discussion. The rest of the condescension stands, because paid online is shitty no matter how you slice it, and it's only made possible by the people in this topic (and others) supporting this practice. So next time a topic like this pops up, the same thing will happen, with good reason.
As I said it's fine that some people get value out of it due to other perks. But it's really shitty that the type of people who are more casual and/or only have the time for a limited amount of games per year to be barred from having the option of playing online from time to time.
The more I read posts in this thread I realize that if this is representative of what the PC gaming community is like these days.......
I'm quite content on continuing to pay for Gold and Plus to play MP online in addition to the convenience (for me) of console over PC gaming. I guess that's the real paywall.
I'm quite content on continuing to pay for Gold and Plus to play MP online in addition to the convenience (for me) of console over PC gaming. I guess that's the real paywall.
On a serious note, I absolutely agree with this. It's just a way to fleece them for more money.
XBL and PS+ come with other benefits (and imo more useful benefits) than playing online.
All those free games are worth the price (at least on XBL, PS+ not so much)
MemoryHumanity
Member
It's like 80p a week, who gives a fuck.
Clockwork5
Member
Who is barred from online console gaming?
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
£40-£50 per year really isn't an issue unless you're on the breadline. Gaming is an expensive hobby between hardware, games and online subs.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
I can appreciate it's annoying to be quoted for something you wish to take back, but in that case I was trying to make the point that I feel that this attitude of absolute intolerance, condescension and belittling of people is as poisonous to the industry and community as the elements you mention – especially when it comes to getting people to start playing on PC. So when you exhibit the attitude you did while trying to say how much what someone else is doing to harm the industry it completely detracts from the point you're trying to make.
I don't disagree. As I've said in the thread already if there were the opportunity to have it removed from PS+ and made available to everyone I wouldn't hesitate to support it. I don't like that this is the landscape we're in, but I also want to play with my friends and find value in the proposition they give with the additional benefits you get. So instead of choosing to stop playing games with my friends and not getting those benefits (which are good for the price I'm asked to pay) I'll continue to pay, because that's how it is.
I used to play on PC. My Steam library is pretty extensive (relative to the time when I left) and I'm under no illusion as to the benefits it offers. Despite that I currently prefer playing on PS4 for multiple reasons. Not because I love Sony, not because I'm ignorant but because that's the system that's managed to rekindle my love for games and I appreciate it for that.
Cramoss
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Randy Monk
Member
Wouldn't it be pretty shitty if Sony and Microsoft stopped making consoles? They have a good revenue stream in Plus and Gold and I don't think we're ever going back to free multiplayer on the Playstation and Xbox. So if the price is too high or the service is too crap for the price asked, then consumers will ideally stop paying. This doesn't seem to be the case at the moment with data suggesting subscriber numbers are increasing every year.
Why not just accept that there is a large portion of gamers that are happy to pay for the service and leave it at that?
Lastly, you are not "barred" from playing online - you just don't want to pay the asking price which in all honesty is still cheaper than what a gaming PC+peripherals+games would cost. I want to play the latest Metroid on the 3DS but I don't want to spend $200 on a 3DSXL so it's too bad so sad, get over it and move on for me.
Acerac
Banned
They were right to do so. Paying to play online was a bad joke then just as it is now.
I hear it constantly.
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In threads where people are justifying paying for PSN and nowhere else ever.
You are one of those people.
Buy a $70 2DS.
You're welcome.
I understand what you are getting at...... 
It's actually a much, much, much better proposition now than when Gold first started on the 360.
Acerac
Banned
Perhaps if the internet had stayed static since then. Given how ubiquitous the net (and free online play in general) is now is, I just can not agree.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
ScaryShark, such a nice poster.
I am just meaning originally on the 360, you paid just to play online, no "free/rental" games, no digital game discounts.....nothing but to play Halo, CoD, etc online. That's all I was getting at.
Yeah, it's actually completely arbitrary: technically console games can connect to whatever internet addresses they want and send and receive packets from whoever they want. But if Sony or MS find out your game allows real-time player interaction without checking for a valid subscription first, you fail certification. You can get a waiver for you game under certain circumstances like games that have their own subscription.
Acerac
Banned
Fair enough, if you remove all context from the situation you are correct.
You would make an excellent politician.
pretty done
Member
It's funny. Back on PS3 I had no issues paying for PS+ and thought it was a great value. Nowadays the games are mostly things I don't want to play or already have played.
I pay the fee now because I 'have' to, whereas on PS3 I gladly paid because I thought the service was well worth it. Sony knows damn well what they've done to the service.
I pay the fee now because I 'have' to, whereas on PS3 I gladly paid because I thought the service was well worth it. Sony knows damn well what they've done to the service.
ITT: People who have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what they're talking about and still make ridiculous, self-embarrassing claims.
MoogleMan
Member
Not all of us.
Before I built my gaming PC I was quite content with paying for PS+. I didn't have a PC, so it was worth it for me.
There is nothing wrong with people who pay for the service and are happy with it; they're not stupid or uninformed or anything like that. The problem simply lies with the service itself. Regardless of how sony or microsoft word it, it's a cash grab.
Basically, knowing what I know now about advantages and disadvantages of PC and console gaming, I would have built my gaming PC a lot sooner.
I tend to play single player games on console anyway so I never saw the need to play online with others. I do miss some of the small interactions I'd have in games with online enabled, like in Journey, but that was more of an exception because of how unexpected it was. I tend to play online exclusively on PC, been like that since I started gaming way back in the 90s.
I'll probably let my subs expire when they eventually do... the free games are nice, but as with most of my Steam library, I don't play any of them. I don't play online either, so I'm basically in it just for sales, and at this point, there aren't a whole lot of games I'm still looking for. Damn, I'm kind of an idiot when I lay it all out like that. LOL Good thing it's pretty cheap per year, especially with the occasional discounts on annual subs that pop up.
Hippopuncher12
Member
I'm sure it has been pointed out already, but it can't hurt to do so again. None of the console manufacturers host the game servers for anyone other than first parties. All third parties have to provide servers on their own dime.
Basically what that money is paying for is (a bad) chat client and a store to sell you shit.
Basically what that money is paying for is (a bad) chat client and a store to sell you shit.
LOL seriously? Did I say it was good? I just meant it was better than what it was originally on the 360. Jeezus, get down off your high horse.
I'm sure not all of you. I'm not arrogant enough to think that. But see the post I quoted above yours. Much less many of the other PC players in this thread. Toxic, self-absorbed community it appears to be.
And yes, Gold and PS+ are absolutely a way to get more $$ out of their consumer base. And that's great that for you, going PC was the best option. What is being lost here, is that its not the best for everyone. Only blatant arrogance or fanboyism would think that
Gravy Boat
Member
Lol, where am I justifying paying for PSN? I said Id rather not pay for it but I do because I have to if I want to play online.
Onimusha78
Member
Edit: Wrong thread
I'm not "forced" to pay. I could always just not play online, or build a pc. But i don't want to do neither, i want to use my console and my console games to play online and get the rental/"free" games, thus i have to pay a subscription. I would rather have not to, but since i have to, tough luck. It's nowhere near as a problem as pc gamers make it up to be. I used to pay for cable TV watching it two, three times per month mostly. At least i can take more enjoyment from videogames to lessen the feeling of wasted money.
Thats the thing, there are very few that are justifying the existence. I wouldnt misconstrue the posts mentioning how you do get some perks, or others downplaying the costs as "justifying" it
It's pretty much why I dropped PS+ completely. I didn't like the service and moved completely to XBL instead, it's now my main gaming device and I only keep the PS4 for the exclusives.
Plus, XBL gets really cheap and at some point I was looking at the option of building a PC, but given how expensive shit gets in my country, I'd still game in a console than spend $900 (save linking me to Newegg to prove me wrong, I don't even care about PC gaming anymore) in order to build something to be able to play decently online.
In short: PC gaming is better and has free online. I don't care, I don't find it comfortable to play there anymore so...yeah, you keep enjoying your platform and I'll keep enjoying mine, it's a fee I can afford to pay and I get a lot of enjoyment from the rental games and the service.
Plus, XBL gets really cheap and at some point I was looking at the option of building a PC, but given how expensive shit gets in my country, I'd still game in a console than spend $900 (save linking me to Newegg to prove me wrong, I don't even care about PC gaming anymore) in order to build something to be able to play decently online.
In short: PC gaming is better and has free online. I don't care, I don't find it comfortable to play there anymore so...yeah, you keep enjoying your platform and I'll keep enjoying mine, it's a fee I can afford to pay and I get a lot of enjoyment from the rental games and the service.
ViolentP
Member
Sounds forced to me. You seem to understand that this isn't something that needs to exist, but does, and you choose to play ball. All fine in my book by the way. But knowing that you have to pay a subscription where evidence has proven it is not a hard requirement is definitely forced, regardless of ease, financial or otherwise.
I am not misconstruing those that help validate their position based on the perks. Hell, I try to look at any benefit I can myself when coming to grips with the situation. I speak explicitly of those that defend the pay-model as offering the superior service.
Onimusha78
Member
The thing that's always absolutely put me off paying for a sub is the fact I could buy a whole game for the same price
I will not be surprised if next gen the price is $75 (so think a full price game with DLC)