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RustyNails

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Mortrialus said:
1. It has been shown that the foreskin contains over 20,000 sexually receptive nerve endings. Removing that lessens sexual pleasure. That is a simple fact and the polling reinforces that.



I called you wrong. Because you are. Get over it.
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There is quite a lot of literature on circumcision, and not all of it has to do with sexual pleasure. If you want to argue on this further, please start a thread.
 
The Chosen One

The Chosen One

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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
It seems you missed Romney's entire point. He wants to keep people from reaching the "very poor" state by encouraging economic growth, providing more job opportunities and, thus, reducing the need for the safety net. It's pretty simple really. I don't know why people are having a hard time with this. Of course saying it is a lot harder than doing it (especially when you put your foot in your mouth)
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Maybe that's what he wants to do but that's certainly not what he said.

Mittens on CNN said:
"I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it," the Republican front-runner said Wednesday on CNN, following his victory in the Florida primary. "I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90 percent, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling."
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I just find it hilarious in one sentence he says he cares about Americans and then on the very next sentence he says he's not concerned about the very poor. :lol Apparently the very poor and very rich aren't Americans.

He says nothing of lifting up the poor by encouraging economic growth with more jobs. He simply says he's not concerned with them.
 
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RustyNails

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Romney gets glitterbombed
Calling the glitter "confetti" to celebrate his Florida victory, Romney brushed off the glitter-bombing – literally and rhetorically.

"Ah, I've got glitter in my hair," he said, and joked about his famously coiffed hair. "That's not all that's in my hair, I tell you that. I glue it on everyday whether I need to or not."

But as the candidate was shaking hands with supporters after his speech, a second person again attempted to blanket Romney with glitter, which he brought to the event in a Pringles can. Escorts quickly moved the glitter-bomber away from Romney.

An individual from the glitter-growing group, Nick Espinosa, said he was affiliated with two operations: Glitterati and Occupy Minneapolis. The intent in throwing the glitter was to underscore Romney's donations to the Mormon church, which Espinosa said was campaigning against gay marriage.

"Minnesota is a state that prides itself on tolerance," Espinosa said.

Romney was not the first GOP candidate to face such an attack. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was glitter-bombed earlier in the campaign as were former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.
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lol at romney going "Ah I have glitter in my hair". Such a robot.
 
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ronito

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I don't know if this has been posted here but I posted it in the Mormon/ExMormon thread:

Man the Romney effect is in full force. Another article in the washington post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-mitt-romney/2012/01/31/gIQAdtK1fQ_story.html

Marvin Perkins says God led him to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — but friends advised otherwise.

“Mormons, they’re prejudiced against blacks,” Perkins recalls being told.

Until 1978, the LDS church banned men of African descent from its priesthood, a position open to nearly all Mormon males and the gateway to sacramental and leadership roles. The church had also barred black men and women from temple ceremonies that promised access in the afterlife to the highest heaven.

As he explored joining the church in 1988, Perkins said he asked Mormons near his Los Angeles home about the racial doctrines. They gently explained that blacks were the cursed descendants of Cain, the biblical murderer, he recalls.

“Let’s say you have this powerful witness of God telling you that this church is truly of him,” said the 48-year-old salesman and video producer. “And then the people in that church lovingly tell you that you are cursed. How do you reconcile those two things?”

Perkins says Mormon leaders couldn’t offer an answer.

The LDS church has neither formally apologized for the priesthood ban nor publicly repudiated many of the theories used to justify it for more than 125 years.

Perkins and other black Mormons say the church’s silence not only irks many African-Americans, it could also become a loud distraction for the nation’s most prominent Mormon: Mitt Romney, the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination.

“Right now is a great opportunity for the church to say, ‘Let’s clear the air once and for all,’” said Darron Smith, co-editor of the book “Black and Mormon” and a sociologist at Wichita State University in Kansas.

“But they won’t do it. And that’s going to put reasonable doubt in people’s minds about Romney and the church.”

“The curse of Cain”

The LDS church is mounting a multimillion-dollar campaign to highlight its growing diversity. In billboards, online ads and TV commercials, Latinos, Asians and African-Americans alike assert, “I’m a Mormon.”

But the church remains overwhelmingly white. A recent survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that blacks comprise just 1 percent of the nearly 6 million Mormons in the U.S.

LDS church spokesman Michael Purdy said Mormonism is growing in Africa and in racially diverse communities in the U.S. and Latin America.

God rejects “none who come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female,” Purdy said in a statement, quoting The Book of Mormon. “Just as God loves all of his children, wants what is best for them, and considers them as equals, so does the church,” he added.

But many blacks perceive the LDS church as racist, said Perkins and Smith. Neither were surprised to hear an African-American pastor in Florida who supports Rick Santorum’s campaign raise the racial charge recently.

“Blacks are not going to vote for anyone of the Mormon faith,” the Rev. O’Neal Dozier told The Palm Beach Post on Jan. 22. “The Book of Mormon says the Negro skin is cursed.”

The Book of Mormon says no such thing. But another Mormon scripture, The Pearl of Great Price, says, “blackness came upon” Cain’s descendants, who were “despised among all people.”

Among Cain’s heirs was Noah’s son, Ham, who was “cursed ... as pertaining to the priesthood,” according to the scripture. Mormons trace their priesthood to Adam and Noah.

Questions about Mormonism’s racial history also arose during Romney’s first White House run.

In a 2007 “Meet the Press” interview, Tim Russert noted that Romney was 31 when the priesthood ban was lifted in 1978. “Didn’t you think, ‘What am I doing part of an organization that is viewed by many as a racist organization?’” Russert asked.

“I’m very proud of my faith, and it’s the faith of my fathers,” Romney answered. “And I’m not going to distance myself from my faith in any way.”

But Romney also said that he had been “anxious to see a change in my church” and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.

“Even at this day it’s emotional, and so it’s very deep and fundamental in my life and my most core beliefs that all people are children of God,” Romney said.

Pressed by Russert, Romney refused to say his church was wrong to restrict blacks from full participation.

Romney’s forebears were among the original Mormon converts in the 1830s, and Romney himself was a bishop in the church before he entered politics in 1994.

“For men like Romney, lifelong church members whose people were pioneers in the faith, to criticize church authority would be akin to heresy,” said Smith.

Romney’s father, George Romney, also faced criticism over the priesthood ban when he ran for president in 1968. He answered by extolling his civil rights record as governor of Michigan.

George Romney, like his son, refused to publicly criticize his church.

“The issue hurt him and it hurt the image of Mormon church,” said Newell Bringhurst, a historian and co-author of “The Mormon Quest for the Presidency.”

It may mar Mitt Romney’s campaign too, Bringhurst said. “He’ll face more and more scrutiny on the Mormon-black issue, even though the church has abandoned the policy.”

Smith was more blunt.

“The church has never done its due diligence, and guess what? Mitt Romney is taking hell for it.”

“We just got that one wrong”

Purdy said LDS leaders began seeking divine guidance about the black ban in the 1970s. In 1978, he said, “a revelation to the church’s prophet extended the blessings of the priesthood to all worthy members.”

“It was a day of great rejoicing in the church,” Purdy said.

But the 1978 statement did not address the theological background behind the ban.

In 1949, the LDS church’s First Presidency — the top tier of its hierarchy — had said the priesthood ban was a “direct commandment from the Lord.” And some LDS leaders regarded as prophets taught that black skin was punishment for souls that lacked valor in a pre-earthly existence.

“Some explanations with respect to this matter were made in the absence of direct revelation and references to these explanations are sometimes cited in publications,” Purdy said. “These previous personal statements do not represent church doctrine.”

But even prophets’ personal statements are taken as holy writ, and theories about blacks being cursed or spiritually lacking circulated among Mormons well after the ban was lifted.

Even under intense pressure from black Mormons, the church has refused to formally repudiate past interpretations of doctrine or scripture that tie spiritual worthiness to race.

“If the LDS church were to apologize, that would be casting aspersions on God’s prophets — the voice of God on earth,” said Richard Ostling, co-author of the book “Mormon America.”

“I don’t think the Mormon soul could countenance it.”

Perkins agreed that admitting prophets had erred would be “faith shattering” for many Mormons.

After converting to Mormonism, he began counseling fellow black Mormons and producing videos on race in church scripture. Perkins believes he’s doing his part to help the church overcome its racist reputation.

But his work alone cannot overcome blacks’ deep-seated and widespread suspicions about Mormonism, Perkins said.

“The church is going to have to make it happen by confessing that its racial teachings were wrong,” he said, “that we’re a church of continuing revelation and we just got that one wrong.”
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Well the reporter certainly did not pull any punches. Romney didn't get far enough in the primaries for this to be a real issue. Republicans care about racisim? Ha.

But if, as supposed, he becomes the nominee this is certainly going to come to the forefront, especially against Obama. Really the church will be in a hard place. It's hard enough to explain to believers let alone non-believers especially when it was so far after the civil rights movement.
 
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Puddles

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Bulbo Urethral Baggins

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The Chosen One said:
Maybe that's what he wants to do but that's certainly not what he said.

I just find it hilarious in one sentence he says he cares about Americans and then on the very next sentence he says he's not concerned about the very poor. :lol Apparently the very poor and very rich aren't Americans.

He says nothing of lifting up the poor by encouraging economic growth with more jobs. He simply says he's not concerned with them.
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He's been saying basically the same thing through the whole campaign. Here is his comment from a couple weeks earlier. You can see he's making the same points but chose very poor wording this time.

"I'm concerned about the poor in this country," Romney said on January 13. "We have to make sure the safety net is strong and able to help those who cannot help themselves. I'm not terribly worried about the wealthiest in our society. They're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the vast middle class in our nation, the 90% or 95% of Americans who are having tough times."
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and again..

"I'm sure there are places where people fall between the cracks," Romney said. "And finding those places is one of the things that is the responsibility of government. We do have a very ample safety net in America, with Medicaid, housing vouchers, food stamps, earned income tax credit. We have a number of ways of helping the poor. And yet my focus and the area that I think is the greatest challenge that the country faces right now is not, is not to focus our effort on how we help the poor as much as to focus our effort on how to help the middle class in America, and get more people in the middle class and get people out of being poor and becoming middle income."
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Anyway... I'm done defending him. He chose his words poorly and gave the Dems ammunition.
 
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Mike M

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Among Cain’s heirs was Noah’s son, Ham, who was “cursed ... as pertaining to the priesthood,” according to the scripture. Mormons trace their priesthood to Adam and Noah.
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Noah's son was an heir of Cain's, but not Noah (Or his wife if it was on her side I guess)?

Fucking genetics, how do they work?
 
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Chichikov

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So this is where this thread was hiding.

(what the hell is the community forum anyway? I thought it was where MMO threads go to die. Are all megathreads getting moved here?)


Dax01 said:
Trump is going to endorse Gingrich.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/16655301/breaking-news-trump-to-endorse-newt-gingrich-tomorrow
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People who were only in it for money/publicity are going to support whoever and whatever extends the primary.

artwalknoon said:
Wow, this was amazingly sharp for Chris Matthews, if this is all off the cuff and not reading off a teleprompter then its even better. Spot on analysis when you look at Romney's life and career.
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Chris Matthews wasn't always the idiot you see on TV these days.
 
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Puddles

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The curse of Cain makes no sense from a biblical standpoint, as allegedly only one family survived the flood. The descendants of Cain, Abel and Seth (and all other children of Adam and Eve) would have intermingled, and all distinctions between them would have been erased after the flood.

The curse of Ham, also known as Canaan, is what they were going for.

In some traditions, the descendants of Cain intermarried with Nephilim (fallen angels) and produced monsters like Grendel.
 
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Arrowgigantic

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Chris Matthews, drawing a comparison to the Ancien Régime was extraordinarily apt, but holy crap your pronunciation was off. I said to myself, "What's an Ontsy-On Regime?"
 
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Chichikov

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Puddles said:
The curse of Cain makes no sense from a biblical standpoint, as allegedly only one family survived the flood. The descendants of Cain, Abel and Seth (and all other children of Adam and Eve) would have intermingled, and all distinctions between them would have been erased after the flood.

The curse of Ham, also known as Canaan, is what they were going for.

In some traditions, the descendants of Cain intermarried with Nephilim (fallen angels) and produced monsters like Grendel.
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It make as much sense as pretty much anything in LDS.
There is an explanation to this issue within Mormon doctrine.

It should be noted that in Jewish traditions the bloodline of Cain survived the flood as Noah's wife was a Cain descendant.
 
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jamesinclair

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Puddles said:
The curse of Cain makes no sense from a biblical standpoint, as allegedly only one family survived the flood. The descendants of Cain, Abel and Seth (and all other children of Adam and Eve) would have intermingled, and all distinctions between them would have been erased after the flood.

The curse of Ham, also known as Canaan, is what they were going for.

In some traditions, the descendants of Cain intermarried with Nephilim (fallen angels) and produced monsters like Grendel.
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I think the fact that Adam and Eve's kids had to have sex with each other is enough to make one say "Ive heard enough"
 
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PhoenixDark

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Romney's father wasn't a bad guy, and in fact did march with MLK at one point. He also initially had some anti-Vietnam views until he flip flopped/brainwashed.

I'm not going to judge Mitt on race/religion.
 
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SolKane

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artwalknoon said:
Wow, this was amazingly sharp for Chris Matthews, if this is all off the cuff and not reading off a teleprompter then its even better. Spot on analysis when you look at Romney's life and career.
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Matthews can be a bit of a blowhard but his analysis of the game of politics is generally spot-on.
 
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ronito

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PhoenixDark said:
Romney's father wasn't a bad guy, and in fact did march with MLK at one point. He also initially had some anti-Vietnam views until he flip flopped/brainwashed.

I'm not going to judge Mitt on race/religion.
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Nor should you.
But you gotta admit it's hard to see the african american vote in large going to Romney, and with that goes a lot of the latino vote. Of course he largely wasn't gonna get the african american vote anyway but the church also has issues with latino people when that dot is connected that's going hurt him.
 
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GhaleonEB

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Chichikov

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Hahahaha, Tony Kornheiser took potshots at Romney on PTI today.
This is early.

GhaleonEB said:
As a native Iowan, I have only this to say: *thptptptptptptptptptptp*
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As someone who never even been to Iowa* all I have only this to say: what?

* yeah, I was going to make this joke anyway, it was either you guys or Connecticut.
Fucking Huskies.
 
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jamesinclair

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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Pro-life.

GOP contender Rick Santorum had a heated exchange with a mother and her sick young son Wednesday, arguing that drug companies were entitled to charge whatever the market demanded for life-saving therapies.

Santorum, himself the father of a child with a rare genetic disorder, compared buying drugs to buying an iPad, and said demand would determine the cost of medical therapies.

"People have no problem paying $900 for an iPad," Santorum said, "but paying $900 for a drug they have a problem with - it keeps you alive. Why? Because you've been conditioned to think health care is something you can get without having to pay for it."
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http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blog...-kid-market-set-drug-004745384--abc-news.html

Thats right ladies and gentlemn, we live in a country where everyone can throw around $900 for ipads but don't buy life-saving medicine out of principal.
 
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ronito

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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
wowwwww... that is craziness. In reality, the government should subsidize and provide health care. It works for nearly all other hyper-industrialized nations, especially with our neighbors to the north enjoying the hell out of awesome health care.

That would be anti-constitutional, though! Wouldn't want to force people to live longer, healthier, more stress-and-bill free lives!!!

ronito said:
Santorum's done but this brings up a good point about the conservatives in this race. They just don't get what it's like to be poor to the point where it's offensive.
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I wish someone realistic could run and actually garner support of the republican party. :( Give me 20 years, guys. Then my post history will come back to haunt me.
 
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jamesinclair

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ronito said:
Santorum's done but this brings up a good point about the conservatives in this race. They just don't get what it's like to be poor to the point where it's offensive.
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If democrats, or democrat superpacs had an ounce of sense, theyd be running ads all the time showing how the republicans are so detached from the real world.

$10,000 bets, not caring for poor, this medicine bs etc.

"This is the party that wants to raise your taxes, but cut the taxes of the rich."



....except that the democrat candidates are also filthy rich and are completely detached from the real world.

Thats why I said debates need to include questions about what things cost.

"Mr Mittens, you dont care about the poor, do you know how many americans live on or under the poverty line?"
"The GOP budget again proposes slashing all funding for transit. How many americans rely on transit, and do you know what percentage of the average household budget goes to transportation?"
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
ronito said:
Santorum's done but this brings up a good point about the conservatives in this race. They just don't get what it's like to be poor to the point where it's offensive.
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jamesinclair said:
If democrats, or democrat superpacs had an ounce of sense, theyd be running ads all the time showing how the republicans are so detached from the real world.

$10,000 bets, not caring for poor, this medicine bs etc.

"This is the party that wants to raise your taxes, but cut the taxes of the rich."



....except that the democrat candidates are also filthy rich and are completely detached from the real world.

Thats why I said debates need to include questions about what things cost.

"Mr Mittens, you dont care about the poor, do you know how many americans live on or under the poverty line?"
"The GOP budget again proposes slashing all funding for transit. How many americans rely on transit, and do you know what percentage of the average household budget goes to transportation?"
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This is a much better example than ones used in past discussions, since the other examples were about the average cost of a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread. Trying to relate to the average American would be much better at showing how absolutely ridiculous these candidates really are.
 
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TestOfTide

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gcubed said:
Not sure what youre asking. Its vs 2008, not 2010
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That's why I asked how the republican turnout in the primaries was in 2006, a year where there was more disdain towards republicans, compared to 2010, a year where there was more disdain towards democrats.

If the lack of republican turnout in these current primaries is evidence towards obama winning, we would see it show with significantly lower republican turnout in 2006 compared to 2010, right?
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Oblivion said:
But if we provide people affordable medicine, then they'll start demanding Ferraris and Lamborghinis! Where does it end?
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Hopefully with a dramatically reduced amount of personal bankruptcies coupled with a dramatically INCREASED amount of preventative care performed around the country by people in all income classes, thereby lowering, by effective billions the amount of money spent on treating things that would have otherwise been caught earlier due to cost barriers in place.

Honestly, why don't people push for this scenario? Why are conservative talk show hosts inherently evil? Every single one will tear down "Obamacare" and "Romneycare" which does little, but at least extends benefits, but they don't offer suggestions on how to fix society's biggest illness, and what got Sodom and Gomorrah nuked: Americans are neglecting the poor, less-fortunate, sick, needy, old, and disabled. It pisses me off like that one guy who flew off his gourd at the mere mentioned of a circumcision!
 
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Officerrob

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jamesinclair said:
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Pro-life.


http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blog...-kid-market-set-drug-004745384--abc-news.html

Thats right ladies and gentlemn, we live in a country where everyone can throw around $900 for ipads but don't buy life-saving medicine out of principal.
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What a 100% retarded argument. Many people are dependent on those high priced medications for years, if not the rest of their lives. His comparison only works if that same person was going to buy that $900 Ipad every fucking month for the rest of their life. Nice logic
 
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ToxicAdam

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I'm continually disappointed in Mitt Romney's foreign policy stances every time he opens his mouth.

Mitt Romney offered harsh criticism of a plan outlined by Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta to possibly withdraw U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan in 2013, calling the administration’s decision to announce its military plans to the world “misguided” and “naive.”

“The president’s mistakes, some of them are calculated on a philosophy that’s hard to understand and, sometimes, you scratch you head and say: How can he be so misguided and so naive?” said Romney during a visit to a Brady Industries warehouse, where janitorial supplies lined the shelves.
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Romney has said repeatedly on the campaign stump that his own decision regarding withdrawing troops from Afghanistan would be based on advice from generals on the ground.
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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...n-panettas-withdrawal-announcement-misguided/
 
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Puddles

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AlteredBeast said:
I wish someone realistic could run and actually garner support of the republican party. :( Give me 20 years, guys. Then my post history will come back to haunt me.
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The Republican party you want to support isn't the Republican party anymore.

I'd rather see the Republicans collapse entirely, and a new party rise, one that believes in market-based approaches to many problems, but which doesn't spew the ridiculous fear-mongering and hatred you see from today's Republicans.
 
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A27_StarWolf

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Shit My Conservative Southern Grandfather says:

"I wonder if Mitt Romney is going to announce plans for a Mars base..."

He said this sarcastically... lol.
 
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Jackson50

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mckmas8808 said:
Nobody care about the breaking news of the day? Can't wait to see what Mitt Romney has to say about this. Can a republican really run on keep our soldiers in Afghanistan longer than they've already been there and win real votes in the middle?

What do you guys think?
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I doubt many voters would penalize Romney for opposing this plan. First, foreign policy rarely determines voter behavior. Further, this only pertains to a transformation in military operations. We will still have a substantial military presence. Only, they'll remain as "advisers." Remember, the last combat brigade withdrew from Iraq in August 2010. And we only withdrew fully in December. Lamentably, we'll still have a sizable military presence for the next two years.

Clearly, it is a mistake. We are merely delaying the inevitable, painful correction Afghanistan will experience when we withdraw. Not only has Afghanistan failed to consolidate democratically, it has failed to stabilize as a state. Progress has stagnated. Indeed, the situation has deteriorated in vital areas. Please, stop wasting resources on a quagmire.
 
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Jackson50

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ToxicAdam said:
I'm continually disappointed in Mitt Romney's foreign policy stances every time he opens his mouth.
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I never had great expectations for Romney. But after he proffered a spurious critique of the New START, I lost what little hope I had retained. And his selection of mediocre neoconservative analysts only affirmed my disappointment.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
ToxicAdam said:
I'm continually disappointed in Mitt Romney's foreign policy stances every time he opens his mouth.





http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...n-panettas-withdrawal-announcement-misguided/
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Since the topic was brought up, might as well ask. I don't really know too much about war policy and such, but is listening to the generals on the ground that controversial? I admit that I was somewhat surprised when I saw them taking the line that the president should do whatever he wants.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Puddles said:
The Republican party you want to support isn't the Republican party anymore.

I'd rather see the Republicans collapse entirely, and a new party rise, one that believes in market-based approaches to many problems, but which doesn't spew the ridiculous fear-mongering and hatred you see from today's Republicans.
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I know, and I agree for the most part.

The faces of the party are a collective joke.

Regardless, and perhaps foolishly, I still believe in Mitt Romney. He has said some truly stupid and questionable things, whether taken out of context or not, and things I simply cannot get behind, but I do believe that he would lead from the middle and be a good president overall. He has to stoop really low to get the republican nomination, and then afterwards will careen to the middle, only to have the stupid pandering stuff to come back and bite him.

It is the reason that regular people like Buddy Roemer will never get attention or nomination: They are real, normal people with spines and principles.
 
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A27_StarWolf

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Puddles said:
The Republican party you want to support isn't the Republican party anymore.

I'd rather see the Republicans collapse entirely, and a new party rise, one that believes in market-based approaches to many problems, but which doesn't spew the ridiculous fear-mongering and hatred you see from today's Republicans.
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I think you just summed up my thoughts pretty well.
 
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