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Visceral defends barebones Dead Space 3 PC port "We don't want it to feel different"
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spindoctor
Member
They didn't do anything extra in the first game either, and that port was in fact really awful. And their reason for not making any effort on the PC version is fucking ludicrous.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Because by supporting it I am sending them the message that it is okay for them not to live up to the platforms standards. I want to play the game, so I will, when it's deeply discounted. When they want all my monies, they can put forth some effort.
Then why did they only release Dead Space Extraction on Wii? They should have released all the main games there, and make the other consoles' versions (and the PC port) look and play just like that one. That way everyone would have had the same experience.
Oh, and PS3 got an HD version of Extraction? That's not the same experience as that of someone who played it on 480p on Nintendo's console.
So Dead Space 2 wasnt released in meantime? Gotcha...
Nice way to skip facts, btw,
Yes, this one i see, but havent they made partnership with Gamestop like few months ago.
CambriaRising
Member
It still won't work without Steam. (Which is what I think he meant.)
Right, that's my mistake. I totally forgot they do sell their games at places like Amazon. I bought Syndicate and Most Wanted from them, actually. I don't agree with the whole decision to no longer sell anything new on Steam, though. And Valve should sell digitally at more places, as well.
spindoctor
Member
The point that obviously went over your head was that there is demonstrable proof that when they don't give a fuck about the PC version, we get absolutely terrible PC ports.
Gamefly has just about all of their titles for digital download as do Gamestop. Not seeing many other places though.
grimshawish
Banned
Seriously wait for the re-release on new xonsoles and PC.
faceless007
Member
I'm not sure how you could describe the first game's port as "really awful." It ran great at 1200p60, controlled fine if you turned off VSync or used a controller, and looked way better than the console versions. Extra features would have been gravy, yes, but the experience of playing though it certainly wasn't a bad one.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If your platform standards are more important than playing the game right away, that is indeed your choice to make. I question whether that's a reasonable way to judge console ports, given that most of them don't add extra features. That's why I still think evaluating them as games is more rational than evaluating them as showpieces for the platform. Better textures aren't going to make the game any better. It's either good or it's not, and if it is good, the PC still has the best version.
I play games that I feel are appropriate for the platform I game on, at the price I think they are worth. That's why for a lot of time I refused to buy games that contained SecuROM, until last year I finally caved in and got a couple of them (BioShock 1&2 and Batman: Arkham Asylum GOTY) when they were cheap enough that the benefits outweighted the cons.
I haven't played any of the Dead Space games, and want to do so. That said, I wouldn't pay even $30 for a game that isn't on par with the average PC ports in the technical aspect, despite how badly I want to play it, unless there's a community patch as soon as the game launches (like with Durante's fix for Dark Souls, which made me fork over the 30 bucks it was sold at on day 3). The game may be good, but the whole product (which takes into account the platform it's being played on, the price it's been sold at, the DRM measures it has and the DLC plans for it) isn't.
spindoctor
Member
The mouse controls were pretty terrible even after turning off Vsync (a bug which Visceral chose not to fix because fuck PC gamers right?). Let's be very clear about one thing... competent mouse+kb controls is not asking for too much in a PC game. Especially not in a shooter. And if the game has bad controls, then yes, it does qualify as an awful port.
I would imagine that they have to put their games on their if they want gamestop to sell boxed versions of any of their games.
What standard features do Dead Space 1 and 2 not have? Maybe I should install the former again just to check but I remember there being basic graphics options. Let's put this into perspective here -- this is nowhere near the vanilla Dark Souls PC port. Outside of the vsync issue I thought DS1 attained the bare minimum of what PC audiences expect. Of course there's also Visceral not releasing the "Severed" DLC for DS2 on PC.
Furthermore, we souldn't expect every PC port to look like Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3. It'd be great if they did put more effort or at least put in lossless assets like Max Payne 3 and Call of Duty do. I might be mad if this game was running on the Frostbite engine though.
This honestly sounds like a much better bullshit answer despite being possibly just as bullshit.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This feels like the decline in anticipation that I had with Modern Warfare to MW2. They are handling it all wrong.
You mean terrible port that had a little bugged v-sync that affected some mouse smoothness, but other than that it was perfectly functional and run great?
And i was talking about skipping Dead Space with was sequel, were they fixed issues from DS 1? So how can You compare DS 1 development to DS 3, when DS 2 exists and showed that can fix problems and still maintain perfectly optimized game?
In what world they would make a worse port than they last entry that You compared to DS 1? Can You explain it to me? How Your logic function?
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Not really, i'm surprised that You can buy Valve games in other places now, because some time ago i've checked and couldnt find any other sources than Steam.
Client requirements is topic for other thread though
, for me personally it would be better if EADM stayed EADM and kept selling DRM free games, it so great back then ;\RumblingRosco
Member
This is the same logic that will hinder the WiiU's third-party support. No one wants to support "different" whether it's due to a lack of funding, time, or creativity/interest.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Just looked it up. You're right. I thought they meant there wouldn't be shit for options outside of resolution and vsync. It's not as bad as I thought, here's the options from part one:
Not great, but yeah, I think you're right, they at least meet the minimum standards.
Crytek sounded really similar two years ago, actually. After the backlash of Crysis 2, though, they've gone back to a more PC-centric PR campaign with Crysis 3.
BoosterDuck
Banned
They can at least include an FoV option so everything isn't in your face so much.
reptilescorpio
Member
Thanks for allowing mouse controls!
I'll skip picking this up though. It was already looking to be an unknown proposition anyway, I think I would get more enjoyment out of another game.
I'll skip picking this up though. It was already looking to be an unknown proposition anyway, I think I would get more enjoyment out of another game.
mugurumakensei
Member
There better be dynamic resolutions less than and up to 720p and slowdown present in Dead Space 3. Otherwise, PC gamers like myself are being deprived of an authentic console experience.
Which is why saying nothing at all would have been better.
All this dev statement has done is lead some people to believe that the PC port will be bad, instead of average (which is what is being implied). Average is fine.
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
It's too bad that they aren't putting any effort into the PC version, because judging from the 360 demo, DS3 could really use some higher quality assets, moreso than 1 or 2 did. Those games took place in small environments so the devs had plenty of memory for quality textures and effects, but the texture quality appeared to me to have taken quite a hit from the previous games, which is probably due to having larger environments and coop.
Dead Space 2 looked fine on PC when I got it for $15, but as long as the PC version has the same texture resolution of the console versions, it won't look all that good. Hopefully the PC version of 3 doesn't launch with the vsync or mouse lag or other issues that plagued the first two games on PC.
Funny thing I just realized: I bought Dead Space 1 at full price, bought Dead Space 2 at $15, and will probably pay even less for 3, if I get it at all. great job EA.
Dead Space 2 looked fine on PC when I got it for $15, but as long as the PC version has the same texture resolution of the console versions, it won't look all that good. Hopefully the PC version of 3 doesn't launch with the vsync or mouse lag or other issues that plagued the first two games on PC.
Funny thing I just realized: I bought Dead Space 1 at full price, bought Dead Space 2 at $15, and will probably pay even less for 3, if I get it at all. great job EA.
Most console ports aren't completely barebones anymore.
Barebones doesn't mean bad, though. A port can be barebones and still be a "great" port.
DmC, for example.
Its great to see Visceral joining in the groundbreaking efforts started by the likes of Microsoft, Namco and Ea to fucking destroy PC gaming from within by essentially turning their PC catalogs into the lowest common denominator in all ways.
Ill bring my laughs in the comming months when Dead Space 3, Army of Two and Fuse fail miserably at the charts.
Ill bring my laughs in the comming months when Dead Space 3, Army of Two and Fuse fail miserably at the charts.
It adds the directories "Electrontic Arts" and "Electronic Arts" to your My Documents folder.
And, IIRC, there was something like a quarter-second of mouse lag in the main menu. It was embarrassing.
Admittedly, it runs ok. But everything about it screams "we don't care about this game".
spindoctor
Member
In the world where they go out of their way to point out how they won't pay any attention to the PC port and defend that decision by saying that PC gamers should only get the same experience as playing on 7 year old hardware and nothing more than that.
BoosterDuck
Banned
"Alright that's it we'll just focus on making more Battlefields and Mass Effects."
Dead Space 2 visual settings were already comprehensive enough for myself:
This is the barebones setting where the player can choose from different presets.
If the custom option is enabled then it opens new options.
This is more clumsy PR than a really barebones PC port.
This is the barebones setting where the player can choose from different presets.
If the custom option is enabled then it opens new options.
There's another option in that last screenshot that is shadow quality.
This is more clumsy PR than a really barebones PC port.
okay EA, Visceral, i'll restate myself, i am available for work
now you all seem to be busy fucking up your communications, and that's just not going to wokr. you know that's not working.
but me? i can bring something more to the table.i can probably pitch you some great ideas for making money too.
just send me a pm. i'll save all of your face and still bring in the duckets. i don't want to reveal my all of my secrets but it's going to involve convenience fees. ex: let players buy optional checkpoints. yeah, i know, fucking brilliant. and to win the pc crowd over, advanced settings options.
again, just send me a PM and we can work out a deal where i make you millions and you pay me above minimum wage.
now you all seem to be busy fucking up your communications, and that's just not going to wokr. you know that's not working.
but me? i can bring something more to the table.i can probably pitch you some great ideas for making money too.
just send me a pm. i'll save all of your face and still bring in the duckets. i don't want to reveal my all of my secrets but it's going to involve convenience fees. ex: let players buy optional checkpoints. yeah, i know, fucking brilliant. and to win the pc crowd over, advanced settings options.
again, just send me a PM and we can work out a deal where i make you millions and you pay me above minimum wage.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Next gen HD rerelease to follow, but we can't let you see it yet.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Because Steam is good and Valve isn't evil.
I'm really not completely anit-Origin. They just need to make it better. Showing me PS3/360 games when I'm searching for shit is real annoying. Also hunting down DLC is dumb. Why can't I just find Mass Effect 3 DLC on the store?