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Zeta Oni
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(04-21-2017, 03:34 PM)
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If this releases as a GwG it would be almost poetic, the game will have gone from having a super limited release originally to being exposed to the most people possible upon launch.
Taliban Stan
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(04-21-2017, 03:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Strootman

I agree in making it a gwg title. Then if the game takes off, develop a sequel.

I think a crap ton of people who play this game end up loving it but feel like it didn't get the exposure it needed along with being a little ahead of it's time. Being GwG definitely gets rid of the exposure issue it always had.
TheGreenArrow
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(04-21-2017, 03:34 PM)
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My hype levels are through the roof right now. My Gold is expired but I'll def renew for this. Is xbox/pc crossplay still a thing for this?
Zeta Oni
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(04-21-2017, 03:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheGreenArrow

My hype levels are through the roof right now. My Gold is expired but I'll def renew for this. Is xbox/pc crossplay still a thing for this?

Yes
m23
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(04-21-2017, 03:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Taliban Stan

I think a crap ton of people who play this game end up loving it but feel like it didn't get the exposure it needed along with being a little ahead of it's time. Being GwG definitely gets rid of the exposure issue it always had.

It was definitely ahead of it's time.

Also...That username.
Reineldinho
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(04-21-2017, 03:48 PM)
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Although I'd love to get it released as GwG all the theories around it being gwg next month just lead to hurt the game if finally it's not imo.
I love the idea tho
wwm0nkey
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(04-21-2017, 03:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by opricnik

They said they didnt touch game internal resolution so pretty sure it means 480p .

Just upscaled to HD UI and Resolutions.

but game itself is 480p

Nope it runs in HD without upscaling, if it was upscaled it would look a lot worse lol
opricnik
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(04-21-2017, 04:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by wwm0nkey

Nope it runs in HD without upscaling, if it was upscaled it would look a lot worse lol

Where do you took that from?




SHe says OG graphics dude ,HD ones are just hud elements,UI afaik?

and game being 4GB (which is same size of OG version ) without cutscenes( with cutscenes its 8GB) pretty much confirms its just barebones port of OG version with current online features.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...1354570&page=1
TheGreenArrow
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(04-21-2017, 04:05 PM)
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The dream is dead. The May games were just announced.
Zeta Oni
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(04-21-2017, 04:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheGreenArrow

The dream is dead. The May games were just announced.

Oh well.

Day 1 regardless
arhra
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(04-21-2017, 04:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by opricnik

Where do you took that from?

There's a screenshot in the OP.

I suggest you look at it.
Zeta Oni
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(04-21-2017, 04:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by opricnik

Where do you took that from?




SHe says OG graphics dude ,HD ones are just hud elements,UI afaik?

and game being 4GB (which is same size of OG version ) without cutscenes( with cutscenes its 8GB) pretty much confirms its just barebones port of OG version with current online features.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...1354570&page=1



Plus what's already been said above.
Wereroku
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(04-21-2017, 04:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zeta Oni

If I'm not mistaken, this is actually a bit more complicated:

What they are doing is releasing a free "Multiplayer Starter Pack" containing 33 Skills so you can make a custom Arsenal from the beginning rather than having to play the single player until Chapter 3*.

The full list of skills contained in the pack can be found here.

The multiplayer skill shop will be available from the get go, but you still have to earn all those skills not contained in the free DLC with credits.

Crap really? I thought they said cards would all be unlocked by default. That's a bit of a bummer.
wwm0nkey
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(04-21-2017, 04:16 PM)
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OG version



New Version:



It would look a lot worse if it was just upscaled like a lot worse particularly the chains. That or they have some really impressive upscaling stuff
Sho_Nuff82
(04-21-2017, 04:19 PM)
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Tells you all you really need to know about how much MS gives a crap about the IP or this port.
JayWood2010
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(04-21-2017, 04:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sho_Nuff82

Tells you all you really need to know about how much MS gives a crap about the IP or this port.

They care enough to port it. I dont think they expect it to be a big time seller, which is why it always had a small budget.

After canning the remaster, we are lucky they still ported it honestly.

Been excited for this game for a while. Hopefully it gets a following, even if a small niche one. Would like to see it do well enough for them to look into making a sequel. Doubtful, but still I can hope.
Zeta Oni
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(04-21-2017, 04:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sho_Nuff82

Tells you all you really need to know about how much MS gives a crap about the IP or this port.

We know stuff is coming next week now, and while I don't think yours is necessarily a wrong opinion to have, it might be just a bit early. Come next week if we get some solid footage, a release date, and a good price, ill be more than content.

Originally Posted by wwm0nkey

OG version



New Version:



It would look a lot worse if it was just upscaled like a lot worse particularly the chains. That or they have some really impressive upscaling stuff

Well its worth pointing out that the port is being done by Code Mystics, who are self described as "a game developer specializing in cross-platform solutions with a particular focus on both emulation and porting services for digital distribution". Code Mystics themselves seems to be comprised of former Digital Eclipse employees, another company famous for specializing in porting/emulating games.

So it could be that there's a lot of technical wizardry going on that cant be explained simply. I hope Digital Foundry takes a look at this upon release.

Originally Posted by Wereroku

Crap really? I thought they said cards would all be unlocked by default. That's a bit of a bummer.

Yeah for returning players its gonna be a pain to have to unlock everything again, but I don't mind it. I do feel like giving newcomers everything at once could be a bit much though, so the starter pack isn't a bad idea either.
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//DEVIL//
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(04-21-2017, 04:32 PM)
I have this feeling they will be giving it away for free for the short period of E3 or whatever to kick off E3 with a bang.
FinaruDensetsu
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(04-21-2017, 04:33 PM)
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OP this game was super duper niche originally why would MS waste significant resources on a port of a super duper niche game?
opricnik
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(04-21-2017, 04:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zeta Oni

Plus what's already been said above.

This post literally says its not HD though?
So far my post is still stands out true
Zeta Oni
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(04-21-2017, 04:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by opricnik

This post literally says its not HD though?
So far my post is still stands out true

Actually, you didn't say "not HD", you specified the game was 480p and just being upscaled , and that post literally says that's not all that's going on.

Originally Posted by opricnik

They said they didnt touch game internal resolution so pretty sure it means 480p .

Just upscaled to HD UI and Resolutions.

but game itself is 480p

Originally Posted by opricnik

They killed any hype for it when they said it will be 480p? upscaled not even full remaster, let alone it was a remake once

But take it however you want.
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Gestault
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(04-21-2017, 04:55 PM)
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Opricnik, someone from MS posted some insight (though not full details) in an earlier thread that the old explanation didn't really represent how it looked, which was around the time the newest screenshot was released also showing that it definitely wasn't original resolution for the rendering.

They said as part of the lead-up, there would be some exclusive third-party tech analysis for mini-marketing. There's no need to be overly harsh about it, but all signs are that you're mistaken (which is good).
Zvonimir Boban
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(04-21-2017, 05:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sho_Nuff82

Tells you all you really need to know about how much MS gives a crap about the IP or this port.

Well, did you really expect a massive marketing push when the development of this port was something even Spencer didn't know about?

http://www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/15/...-surprise-even

Spencer: I sent out a tweet three weeks ago where I said "[Microsoft Studios head of first-party publishing] Shannon Loftis just won E3." And that was when she showed me. She kept that thing hidden from me, and then she sprung it on me."

Polygon: How?

Spencer: Shannon runs a big part of our organization, so she has money that she just squirreled away to go do something. She brings in this video I don't actually know what video they released, I'm sure it wasn't what they showed me but it said "reimagined for Xbox Live." She went through all of the things, and it said "early 2017," I think, and then it said "Phantom Dust." So I asked "What is this?" And she said, "It's Phantom Dust. It's happening." And I said "What are you talking about, it's happening?!" And she said that it was almost done.

I had the impression that it was just a cool little gesture for the old-school Xbox fans rather than a big release.
Ishmae1
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(04-21-2017, 06:27 PM)
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There's a very good reason Shannon said what she did about original rendering, but it's no longer true.

As I said, more info next week, but I'll pop back on to clarify anything that was missed after the interview is out - I think I rambled a bit - easy to do with a game you love.
GuitarAtomik
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(04-21-2017, 06:30 PM)
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Welp there it is. Good to hear.
∀ Narayan
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(04-21-2017, 06:30 PM)
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Was Grounding Inc. ever approached to be involved with this project?
Reineldinho
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(04-21-2017, 06:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ishmae1

There's a very good reason Shannon said what she did about original rendering, but it's no longer true.

As I said, more info next week, but I'll pop back on to clarify anything that was missed after the interview is out - I think I rambled a bit - easy to do with a game you love.

Fantastic news.
Gestault
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(04-21-2017, 06:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ishmae1

There's a very good reason Shannon said what she did about original rendering, but it's no longer true.

As I said, more info next week, but I'll pop back on to clarify anything that was missed after the interview is out - I think I rambled a bit - easy to do with a game you love.

Woo, appreciated. Nice to see a window to expect the interview, too.
Oscar
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(04-21-2017, 06:55 PM)
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Loved this on the original fatty Xbox, will dive back in on a PC version.
wwm0nkey
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(04-21-2017, 10:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ishmae1

There's a very good reason Shannon said what she did about original rendering, but it's no longer true.

As I said, more info next week, but I'll pop back on to clarify anything that was missed after the interview is out - I think I rambled a bit - easy to do with a game you love.

I am very interested to hear the story behind this port
Liabe Brave
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(04-21-2017, 11:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zeta Oni

So it could be that there's a lot of technical wizardry going on that cant be explained simply.

No technical wizardry, the game is just rendered at a higher resolution.

Originally Posted by Ishmae1

There's a very good reason Shannon said what she did about original rendering, but it's no longer true.

Of course not, we've known that since the screenshot was released. The game is native 1080p there.
Hexer06
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(04-22-2017, 04:59 AM)
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Can't wait to read that interview next week! I hope it's more news like a release date. :D
Iva Demilcol
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(04-22-2017, 05:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ishmae1

You'll hear more about Phantom Dust next week.

What a time to be alive.
Gestault
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(04-22-2017, 05:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hexer06

Can't wait to read that interview next week! I hope it's more news like a release date. :D

If the circumstances haven't changed, it's after that tech interview and before E3. It's definitely coming soon. Soonish. Soonery.
HStallion
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(04-22-2017, 05:12 AM)
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I cant wait to drop a freeway overpass onto people.
styl3s
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(04-22-2017, 05:14 AM)
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This always seemed like a perfect "Oh, and it's out now" E3 announcement/shadow drop.

Originally Posted by //DEVIL//

I have this feeling they will be giving it away for free for the short period of E3 or whatever to kick off E3 with a bang.

For sure, like, "By the way, it's out now! (or after the show) AND if you are a xbox live member you can get it for free for a limited time this week only!"
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anothertech
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(04-22-2017, 05:51 AM)
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Phantom Dust remake cancellation coupled with Scalebound cancellations were two of the worst moments for me in Xbox history.

It's hard to get hopes up for this after the excitement I had at E3 2013. Wouldn't be surprised if they cancelled the HD version half way through and just decided to give us an emulated port at this point.
HStallion
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(04-22-2017, 05:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by anothertech

Phantom Dust remake cancellation coupled with Scalebound cancellations were two of the worst moments for me in Xbox history.

It's hard to get hopes up for this after the excitement I had at E3 2013. Wouldn't be surprised if they cancelled the HD version half way through and just decided to give us an emulated port at this point.

They're going to cancel the Scorpio for Kinect 3.0
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(04-22-2017, 05:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by HStallion

They're going to cancel the Scorpio for Kinect 3.0

Scorpio name: Xbox Kinect 3
confirmed
Fat4all
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(04-22-2017, 05:56 AM)
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seems like an easy "and it's out for download today" announcement at the E3s
NippleViking
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(04-22-2017, 06:03 AM)
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I will forever uphold that if Microsoft had properly taken the risk of carefully developing a AAA Phantom Dust reboot, it would have been an enormous hit.

It could have met so many criterion for MS:
Competitive Esports focus, marrying a fighting game with a TCG
Controller-centric, thus Xbox-PC on even playing-field
Potential for Killer Instinct or Hearthstone model - super accessible, rife with microtransactions
Micro-transaction potential - character cosmetics, cards, and maps
Engaging story, with interesting aesthetic, characters, and soundtrack
HStallion
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(04-22-2017, 06:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by NippleViking

I will forever uphold that if Microsoft had properly taken the risk of carefully developing a AAA Phantom Dust reboot, it would have been an enormous hit.

It could have met so many criterion for MS:
• Competitive Esports focus, marrying a fighting game with a TCG
• Controller-centric, thus Xbox-PC on even playing-field
• Potential for Killer Instinct or Hearthstone model - super accessible, rife with microtransactions
• Micro-transaction potential - character cosmetics, cards, and maps
• Engaging story, with interesting aesthetic, characters, and soundtrack

Yeah the original game was really ahead of its time in so man ways and an updated big budget version could do really well in this day and age. Not too mention there is still nothing really much like it out there to date.
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Originally Posted by NippleViking

I will forever uphold that if Microsoft had properly taken the risk of carefully developing a AAA Phantom Dust reboot, it would have been an enormous hit.

It could have met so many criterion for MS:
Competitive Esports focus, marrying a fighting game with a TCG
Controller-centric, thus Xbox-PC on even playing-field
Potential for Killer Instinct or Hearthstone model - super accessible, rife with microtransactions
Micro-transaction potential - character cosmetics, cards, and maps
Engaging story, with interesting aesthetic, characters, and soundtrack

I'm an enormous Phantom Dust fan, I've pushed the game on tons of friends (often with success even!), but I can't agree.

The most fundamental aspect of Phantom Dust that you're missing here is just how weird the whole thing is. That strangeness is part of its flavor, I wouldn't want it any other way, but it also means creating a AAA budget reboot would be extremely risky. Weird games can do fine when properly budgeted, but the idea that MS should spend $50+ million on a game like Phantom Dust makes no financial sense.

Their original, more conservative plan for the reboot was good for all the reasons you listed, but it's simply not mass market enough to go huge.
Phreaker
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(04-22-2017, 01:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ishmae1

You'll hear more about Phantom Dust next week.

:)

Originally Posted by FinaruDensetsu

OP this game was super duper niche originally why would MS waste significant resources on a port of a super duper niche game?

Because there is nothing like it and it was amazing to play online. It could be a thing in the future....TCG-based arena fighter.
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Zedox
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(04-22-2017, 01:55 PM)
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I think it would be better for them to release the game on Xbox Game Pass. A good way to get the service up and going (and if someone wants to just buy it they still can)
intheinbetween
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can't see this being a GwG title for its release date, and I also hope it isn't, being at 20-30$ is enough. I wish it sells good enough so people at MS see it as an IP to invest in.
DwightSchruting
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(04-22-2017, 03:41 PM)
https://mspoweruser.com/adam-isgreen...80p-rendering/

It's not 480p
jesu
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Originally Posted by DwightSchruting

https://mspoweruser.com/adam-isgreen...80p-rendering/

It's not 480p

You realize that story is about this thread, right?
Phreaker
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(04-22-2017, 04:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by jesu

You realize that story is about this thread, right?

I wasn't sure if he was doing a NeoGAF > Internet > NeoGAF full circle thing. ha You can clearly see in the screenshot Phil posted it's HD (1080p/16:9) it used to be 480/4:3. It will be interesting to read about the technical details, which if Adam was rambling, I imagine the interview delves into. I'm hyped!
Icebergslim
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(04-22-2017, 05:48 PM)
I'm buying an Xbox just for this game. I'm going to murder every single one of you.

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