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Do women see extremely muscular men the same way men see anorexic women?

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Flo_Evans

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+1 don't get the bulk up crazy weightlifter crowd.

Strength used to be a valuable commodity... we don't even fight man to man anymore we use guns and planes. I don't do anything remotely physical day to day to earn a living/survive. The only physical activity I do is for fun.

I wanted to look like Arnold/comic book superheros when I was like ... 14. Now I would rather just be "athletic" so I can enjoy the hobbies I do without getting tired.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
+1 don't get the bulk up crazy weightlifter crowd.

Strength used to be a valuable commodity... we don't even fight man to man anymore we use guns and planes. I don't do anything remotely physical day to day to earn a living/survive. The only physical activity I do is for fun.

I wanted to look like Arnold/comic book superheros when I was like ... 14. Now I would rather just be "athletic" so I can enjoy the hobbies I do without getting tired.

I see this argument the way I see cars/trucks. You can look great but be "weak" that's like getting a 6 cylinder Mustang instead of the 8 cylinder. It looks cool, but it's not as good/fast as it could/should be.

The "why get strong" argument makes me think to "why get a fast car" or "why get a super big/tough truck?" (since you can't break the speed limit anyway, and who actually needs to tow a barge?" Because it's powerful and awesome.
 
For me, it is a way to push yourself to see how hard/far you can go. It is extremely exciting to see that you can do one more rep or that you can lift a heavier weight that a month ago, even it if is just by 5 lbs.
 

Dead Man

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That's not the case at all. I've never said someone should only be attracted to body builders. I'm saying that body builders aesthetically are better looking than the average person and the probability of them being turned down over an average person" is unlikely (in my opinion of course). I absolutely understand there is variation in what people want, look at my first post in this thread, I address that.

You just talked yourself in a circle. Body builders are aesthetically better TO YOU. That is all. You cannot make that an absolute statement.
 

Enco

Member
All about moderation.

Get strong and fit so you can handle your self and look more attractive. Over do it and you become unattractive and start getting slower etc.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
You just talked yourself in a circle. Body builders are aesthetically better TO YOU. That is all. You cannot make that an absolute statement.

I didn't talk myself in a circle I said "in my opinion." I'm not talking in absolutes. Hell, the rest of my post reiterates that I understand others have different desires.
 

Dead Man

Member
I didn't talk myself in a circle I said "in my opinion." I'm not talking in absolutes. Hell, the rest of my post reiterates that I understand others have different desires.

So which is it? Are they better looking to you only, or are they unlikely to be turned down in general? You cannot have both.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
I see this argument the way I see cars/trucks. You can look great but be "weak" that's like getting a 6 cylinder Mustang instead of the 8 cylinder. It looks cool, but it's not as good/fast as it could/should be.

The "why get strong" argument makes me think to "why get a fast car" or "why get a super big/tough truck?" (since you can't break the speed limit anyway, and who actually needs to tow a barge?" Because it's powerful and awesome.

Well I do like fast cars... but generally they are wasted unless you do track days. Which I guess would be analogous to lifting competitions and bodybuilding shows. Well I guess bodybuilding shows would be more like car shows? I can understand that...

I am just not that into lifting stuff. Been there/done that. I was VERY strong when I had a manual labour job, but looked "normal" because I wasn't doing anything special, just constantly lifting shit.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
So which is it? Are they better looking to you only, or are they unlikely to be turned down in general? You cannot have both.

How are you not understanding that both are my opinion? In both of those posts I've said as much.

I even said I find it unlikely that Zoe would turn down a bodybuilder, but I would be an idiot to definitively say he (she?) wouldn't turn them down.

Well I do like fast cars... but generally they are wasted unless you do track days. Which I guess would be analogous to lifting competitions and bodybuilding shows. Well I guess bodybuilding shows would be more like car shows? I can understand that...

I am just not that into lifting stuff. Been there/done that. I was VERY strong when I had a manual labour job, but looked "normal" because I wasn't doing anything special, just constantly lifting shit.

I'm just glad my analogy made sense, lol. I wasn't sure I would convey that right.
 

Zoe

Member
How are you not understanding that both are my opinion? In both of those posts I've said as much.

I even said I find it unlikely that Zoe would turn down a bodybuilder, but I would be an idiot to definitively say he (she?) wouldn't turn them down.

I'm a she which would make my opinion relevant in this thread. Yours, not so much.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I'm a she which would make my opinion relevant in this thread. Yours, not so much.

So you're saying that I can't objectively say which males are more attractive? Also, why the hostility? I'm not posting in an aggressive or derogatory manner. I thought you and I had a polite conversation.
 
Considering pretty much every woman who has come here has said they prefer leaner guys and that I'm pretty damn sure the most bulked up guy who has been said here to be attractive is Chris Hemsworth (I did mention him, at least), who are you trying to prove anything to?

No, bodybuilders aren't attractive for most women. It's not the end of the world. But it's the answer to the thread title. Assume all you want about who is "objectively" more attractive, the answer for most women (I won't say all because it's been 14 pages, but I'm confident it's all) is no, bodybuilders are far from what we want.

I would, with 100% honesty, prefer a chubby guy to this:
Ronnie_Coleman_posando.jpg
 

Dead Man

Member
How are you not understanding that both are my opinion? In both of those posts I've said as much.

I even said I find it unlikely that Zoe would turn down a bodybuilder, but I would be an idiot to definitively say he (she?) wouldn't turn them down.

Right. So your opinion is that society in general finds body builders better looking?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Considering pretty much every woman who has come here has said they prefer leaner guys and that I'm pretty damn sure the most bulked up guy who has been said here to be attractive is Chris Hemsworth (I did mention him, at least), who are you trying to prove anything to?

No, bodybuilders aren't attractive for most women. It's not the end of the world. But it's the answer to the thread title. Assume all you want about who is "objectively" more attractive, the answer for most women (I won't say all because it's been 14 pages, but I'm confident it's all) is no, bodybuilders are far from what we want.

I would, with 100% honesty, prefer a chubby guy to this:
Ronnie_Coleman_posando.jpg

I loled, I really find that hard to believe, but then I find it hard to understand people liking fat girls, and they are out there.

Right. So your opinion is that society in general finds body builders better looking?

Better looking than the average man? Yes, that would be my opinion/take on society yes, just like others have said their opinion is the opposite.
 
I loled, I really find that hard to believe, but then I find it hard to understand people liking fat girls, and they are out there.
Keep telling yourself that. I guess you know more about women than women. Seems to be a common case in GAF.

And I said "chubby", no fat. Faced with an obese person or that, I choose porn.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Keep telling yourself that. I guess you know more about women than women. Seems to be a common case in GAF.

And I said "chubby", no fat. Faced with an obese person or that, I choose porn.

Keep telling myself what? I'm in no way telling you (women) what to like. There seems to be a breakdown in this thread in understanding what I can/will believe, and me telling you (women) what you should like.

I've not said once what someone should like. Perhaps I'm just shit at communicating.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Why do you bother? They need a place to feign some outrage man, just let them do it in this thread so it doesn't stink up any others.

You mean like how the straight men on GAF stink up every other thread by talking about whether they'd have sex with the person in the OP, regardless of who she is or whether she fell off a balcony and broke her legs?

Cool story bro.
 

SmokyDave

Member
Gotta say, I got the opposite reaction that I expected when I went from a ripped 8-pack to a normal (though still flat) stomach. I seemed to become more desirable in the bedroom, not less.

I can totally buy that women don't like too many muscles, particularly with visible veins. That matches my experience and the anecdotes I've heard from ladyfriends. Even the women that like 'bigger' men seem to prefer the stocky rugby player type and they're as fat as they are muscular.
 

Dead Man

Member
Better looking than the average man? Yes, that would be my opinion/take on society yes, just like others have said their opinion is the opposite.
Right, so you believe that people believe body builders are better looking than other body types. In spite of evidence to the contrary. Making that a personal judgement you are then applying to wider society as an objective truth. Meaning you are in a bit of a pickle, logically.

Either that or just flat out wrong. Either way, people do not have a preference for the body builder physique.
 

Fantasmo

Member
I loled, I really find that hard to believe, but then I find it hard to understand people liking fat girls, and they are out there.

What don't you understand? A typical chubby guy is probably 7000 times more relatable and more fun and normal to be around than that disgusting mass of ... whatever it is. Let's completely ignore the fact that he's unbelievably freakish, and just imagine what his day to day consists of. What women would want to endure on a regular basis dealing with a person with his lifestyle? What's in it for her? Fame? The fact that he can pick up a small vehicle? Constantly being around food and hearing about the gym? All day protein shakes? Weird sleep patterns and virtually no life? Spending time with other freakish people? What is there to enjoy exactly? Nevermind that most people think it's so unbelievably extreme it's just plain gross.
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
+1 don't get the bulk up crazy weightlifter crowd.

Strength used to be a valuable commodity... we don't even fight man to man anymore we use guns and planes. I don't do anything remotely physical day to day to earn a living/survive. The only physical activity I do is for fun.

I wanted to look like Arnold/comic book superheros when I was like ... 14. Now I would rather just be "athletic" so I can enjoy the hobbies I do without getting tired.

It's not so cut and dry. You can be strong and fit and not look like a meat head. It takes years to get as big as these bodybuilders. It also takes good genetics.
 

depths20XX

Member
Keep telling myself what? I'm in no way telling you (women) what to like. There seems to be a breakdown in this thread in understanding what I can/will believe, and me telling you (women) what you should like.

I've not said once what someone should like. Perhaps I'm just shit at communicating.

Uh dude, every time they state an opinion you come back with some bullshit "that's hard to believe" as if they're lying to themselves or to the thread. It obviously bothers you so much that these hugely muscled dudes aren't the ideal type for women.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Right, so you believe that people believe body builders are better looking than other body types. In spite of evidence to the contrary. Making that a personal judgement you are then applying to wider society as an objective truth. Meaning you are in a bit of a pickle, logically.

Either that or just flat out wrong. Either way, people do not have a preference for the body builder physique.

Again, I didn't say that at all. "Average" does not constitute "all other body types." Average in my posts is operationalized in "the average American" which is increasingly obese.

You're trying really hard here for no reason. And now you're saying "people" indicating "all or some?" don't prefer a body builder physique, which is exactly the type of comment you're trying to apply to me. Some in fact do, just as I said earlier, some people like fat people.

Either way, I'm done saying the same thing over and over to you.

Uh dude, every time they state an opinion you come back with some bullshit "that's hard to believe" as if they're lying to themselves or to the thread. It obviously bothers you so much that these hugely muscled dudes aren't the ideal type for women.

The "hard to believe" was followed by "I'd be an idiot to say that definitively" or did you miss that?

I'm far from calling anyone a liar. And no, their preference doesn't bother me at all, I don't know why people keep thinking my ego is bruised or something. I'm far from a body builder, and I have a sizable amount of fat on me (that I'm trying to cut by the end of summer).

What don't you understand? A typical chubby guy is probably 7000 times more relatable and more fun and normal to be around than that disgusting mass of ... whatever it is. Let's completely ignore the fact that he's unbelievably freakish, and just imagine what his day to day consists of. What women would want to endure on a regular basis dealing with a person with his lifestyle? What's in it for her? Fame? The fact that he can pick up a small vehicle? Constantly being around food and hearing about the gym? All day protein shakes? Weird sleep patterns and virtually no life? Spending time with other freakish people? What is there to enjoy exactly? Nevermind that most people think it's so unbelievably extreme it's just plain gross.

You're doing a lot of assuming on the personality of both sides.
 
Keep telling myself what? I'm in no way telling you (women) what to like. There seems to be a breakdown in this thread in understanding what I can/will believe, and me telling you (women) what you should like.

I've not said once what someone should like. Perhaps I'm just shit at communicating.
Perhaps you shouldn't be in a thread that asks women what they find about overmuscled guys, have all or most of them saying not only they're not attracted but actively repulsed, then say that you don't believe that and that overmuscled guys are actually attractive.

Me, personally? Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Chris Hemsworth. Muscles, but still hot. You'll see some women here have said they prefer someone with less muscles than them. How many have said they find bodybuilders the ideal type?
 
What don't you understand? A typical chubby guy is probably 7000 times more relatable and more fun and normal to be around than that disgusting mass of ... whatever it is. Let's completely ignore the fact that he's unbelievably freakish, and just imagine what his day to day consists of. What women would want to endure on a regular basis dealing with a person with his lifestyle? What's in it for her? Fame? The fact that he can pick up a small vehicle? Constantly being around food and hearing about the gym? All day protein shakes? Weird sleep patterns and virtually no life? Spending time with other freakish people? What is there to enjoy exactly? Nevermind that most people think it's so unbelievably extreme it's just plain gross.

You really have no idea how BB works, do you?

Here's a question for the ladies, to those who do not care for this type of physique, if you were dating a man who is skinny/bigger/etc and he decided to take it on his own to transform himself into a lean, cut, guy or he got interested in bodybuilding and started to train, how would you feel? Personality wise, he doesn't change but physically he is going through this transformation. Would you encourage it? Express concern? Be self conscious about yourself?

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twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I can't honestly say I've ever met a gay guy or woman who's preferred a bodybuilder physique to just a toned guy. Lots of girls have preferred guys with a bit of padding, even.

In fact a number of them have even said that they find very muscular guys unattractive because of what they think it says about that person.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Perhaps you shouldn't be in a thread that asks women what they find about overmuscled guys, have all or most of them saying not only they're not attracted but actively repulsed, then say that you don't believe that and that overmuscled guys are actually attractive.

Me, personally? Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Chris Hemsworth. Muscles, but still hot. You'll see some women here have said they prefer someone with less muscles than them. How many have said they find bodybuilders the ideal type?

You're being pretty hostile, and have been for a while now. I'm well within my right to doubt that a body builder would be "rejected" in an encounter, just as you're within your right to be repulsed by them. You and FemaleGAF aren't the indicators of all that is attractive to women, just as I'm not the indicator of all that is attractive to men or women. I'm simply sharing an opinion, there's no reason to be offended, especially since I haven't told you what you should be interested in at all.

I originally came into the thread because of the first paragraph written by the OP, which also dealt with men's thoughts on women. I stayed to keep discussing the other stuff.

Somewhere along the line people thought I was trying to tell them what to like, or saying that Body builders are what everyone wants to get with, which isn't the case at all.



Has ANY girl/gay in the thread suggested that they prefer bodybuilder physiques, in fact?

To be fair, they are also only pointing out the non-natural body builders. Natural body builders look much more "normal."
 

Replicant

Member
What don't you understand? A typical chubby guy is probably 7000 times more relatable and more fun and normal to be around than that disgusting mass of ... whatever it is. Let's completely ignore the fact that he's unbelievably freakish, and just imagine what his day to day consists of. What women would want to endure on a regular basis dealing with a person with his lifestyle? What's in it for her? Fame? The fact that he can pick up a small vehicle? Constantly being around food and hearing about the gym? All day protein shakes? Weird sleep patterns and virtually no life? Spending time with other freakish people? What is there to enjoy exactly? Nevermind that most people think it's so unbelievably extreme it's just plain gross.

He he he. That guy on the pic is as scary as those creatures on "Prometheus". I can't believe anyone would say that is preferable to a normal chubby guy.

Rugby players have the hottest type of body. Especially those really fit Rugby players like David Williams. But for me face always wins over muscles. I see a lot of muscle guys in the gym but without the good-look to support it, they don't stand out as much.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I can't honestly say I've ever met a gay guy or woman who's preferred a bodybuilder physique to just a toned guy. Lots of girls have preferred guys with a bit of padding, even.

In fact a number of them have even said that they find very muscular guys unattractive because of what they think it says about that person.

To be fair, again, how many lifters do you hang around?

You're going to see people attracted to those types of people when you're surrounded by them. Most of GAF doesn't lift, so their "tastes" (might) reflect that. I didn't really become interested in "muscular" women until I really got into lifting. That's the honest truth. It's weird how it works (that's my theory anyway).
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I mean I wont deny that beef can be hot. But there's a threshold point at which it becomes gross.

To be fair, again, how many lifters do you hang around?

You're going to see people attracted to those types of people when you're surrounded by them. Most of GAF doesn't lift, so their "tastes" reflect that.

Well then I don't know what your point is. Girls who find bodybuilders attractive are more likely to find bodybuilders attractive? You started off by claiming that you found it hard to believe that a woman would prefer a chubby guy to a bodybuilder, now you're saying you think that some women in the world like bodybuilders. That's quite a goalpost shift.
 
Considering pretty much every woman who has come here has said they prefer leaner guys and that I'm pretty damn sure the most bulked up guy who has been said here to be attractive is Chris Hemsworth (I did mention him, at least), who are you trying to prove anything to?

No, bodybuilders aren't attractive for most women. It's not the end of the world. But it's the answer to the thread title. Assume all you want about who is "objectively" more attractive, the answer for most women (I won't say all because it's been 14 pages, but I'm confident it's all) is no, bodybuilders are far from what we want.

I would, with 100% honesty, prefer a chubby guy to this:
Ronnie_Coleman_posando.jpg

I can't tell what is is a muscle and what is a tumor.
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
Come on that's not even fair, Ronnie is off the charts

Lol as if Ronnie Coleman and a chubby guy are equals but on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Also, these pro bodybuilders do this for a living. Most of them don't hold other jobs, although Ronnie was a police officer for years. It's a lifestyle choice and I respect them for that.
 

Fantasmo

Member
You're doing a lot of assuming on the personality of both sides.

No I'm not. I'm talking about the average female, not the extreme female. You've been told over and over that freakish men are not on the I want that list. That athletic with muscles is great, but bodybuilders are gross.

This internet thread is very much in line with most of the world's perception/acceptance of bodybuilders. This isn't a "oh I really want a bodybuilder but I can't get one", it's flat out "bodybuilders are gross!" I've spoken to many women who all agree with this. Where each one draws the line is different, but extremes are not for most women. It's gross to look at, and most of them want to be part of a relationship, not dealing with a bodybuilder's schedule. Some, yeah. Most, no. This is pure fact unless you live in Giantville where everyone is Giantish and lives like a Giant.

Key word: bodybuilder.
Athletic is fine. Athletic is attractive. Chubby is better than bodybuilders. Obese is just as unacceptable as bodybuilders.
 

entremet

Member
LOL @ selecting Ronnie Coleman. Dude is a freak. Look at natural bodybuilders instead, and BBs before the steroid era.
 

Srsly

Banned
The ignorance in this thread re: bodybuilding from some of the female posters is astounding. Yes, let's take Ronnie Coleman, a genetically gifted freak who devoted his entire life to BBing and abused all kinds of steroids/HGH, as an example of "OMG BBers are soooooooo GROSS".

The reality is that most BBers, following the kind of BBing routine that I would promote, would never even come close to competing in a natural competition. They would be in and out of the gym in 45 minutes, 3x a week. They wouldn't obsess over food. They would simply become progressively fitter and stronger over time until they reached a point of maintenance by dedicating a minuscule amount of time out of their weekly schedule to weight training. In fact, this is the goal of most amateur BBers, and most people who would end up partaking in this kind of BBing would look much closer to Chris Hemsworth than Ronnie Coleman.

So, do you still prefer your chubby guy who will probably end up with heart disease and diabetes and on all kinds of medication and laying about on the couch all day by the time he is 50 or your "overly-muscled" BBer who will be strong and energetic into his 80s?
 
You and FemaleGAF aren't the indicators of all that is attractive to women
And this is one of the problems of GAF.

Ask women for their opinion.
Systematically disregard them if they don't suit yours.

LOL @ selecting Ronnie Coleman. Dude is a freak. Look at natural bodybuilders instead, and BBs before the steroid era.
I didn't select him. I picked the first name I saw Alienshogun mentioning. Tell me some other bodybuilder and I'll give you my opinion.

This thread asks about extremely muscular guys. That guy is extremely muscular. I find him gross. What the fuck am I supposed to say?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I mean I wont deny that beef can be hot. But there's a threshold point at which it becomes gross.



Well then I don't know what your point is. Girls who find bodybuilders attractive are more likely to find bodybuilders attractive? You started off by claiming that you found it hard to believe that a woman would prefer a chubby guy to a bodybuilder, now you're saying you think that some women in the world like bodybuilders. That's quite a goalpost shift.

I'm conceding that perhaps the reason I'm thinking the way I do is because I've socialized myself into it. I wasn't moving the goal post so much as giving a reason why my "thought process" might be so drastically different than most of yours.
 

Zoe

Member
The ignorance in this thread re: bodybuilding from some of the female posters is astounding. Yes, let's take Ronnie Coleman, a genetically gifted freak who devoted his entire life to BBing and abused all kinds of steroids/HGH, as an example of "OMG BBers are soooooooo GROSS".

He's the one being discussed because Alienshogun said we would jump him given the chance.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
And this is one of the problems of GAF.

Ask women for their opinion.
Systematically disregard them if they don't suit yours.

And this is another problem in GAF. You snip a tiny part of the post and address it out of context.

He's the one being discussed because Alienshogun said we would jump him given the chance.

What the fuck? Seriously, that never even happened and I even said I'm far from a body builder.

The hostility in this thread is crazy.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I'm conceding that perhaps the reason I'm thinking the way I do is because I've socialized myself into it. I wasn't moving the goal post so much as giving a reason why my "thought process" might be so drastically different than most of yours.

Well fair enough.
 
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