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Senate votes 98-2 to send Russia sanctions to Trump's desk (Paul/Sanders voted No)
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Dash_Riprock
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Did Comrade Sanders explain why he voted no?
WhiskerFrisker
Member
What was Sander's reasoning?
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
he disagreed with the iran sanctions.
Presence of Iran sanctions IIRC
NYCmetsfan
Banned
he said iran but i think he's voted against other sanctions too
it's a bad lazy bill and bad foreign policy drawn up for political reasons that will make lowering sanctions next to impossible for even future presidents. it will also hurt our allies.
but we get a "lol donald owned " headlines
DiscoJer
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Rand Paul is not his father, but not far from it, either and holds that sanctions are ultimately counterproductive, as they tend to hurt the average citizen of the country, not the elites.
BronsonLee
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He's a fucking idiot, this is veto proof
yanipheonu
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Actual image of it being sent to Donald's desk.
Wonder what poor soul gets that job.
Wonder what poor soul gets that job.
He doesn't have to sign it. It will become law if he does nothing. I suspect he will sign it with a broad signing statement though
I wouldn't be so sure about this being veto proof either. "veto proof majorities" have disappeared after a veto before
If he vetos, it goes back for a vote to override in the Senate and House, and they need only a two thirds majority in both.
At 98-2 in the Senate and 419-3 in the House, even with some stooge GOPers who back off to appease Trump, that override would pass and Trump would just make himself look even more like a Russian puppet without blocking anything.
SoundofSilence
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John Dunbar
correct about everything
what did iran do now?
Fair enough. Asshole part checks out so makes sense.
See I keep seeing this "lazy bill" term. Does anyone know where I can find a summary of the actual terms of the sanctions? What makes these lazy or brash?
After reading that Bill Browder thread I'm starting to question anyone against heavy sanctions.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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stupid to have it as a packaged deal with iran sanctions never been a sanders follower but gotta agree with him there.
Existed
I think Raul was actually against the Iran stuff too iirc. I mean, he's an asshole, too, though
PJV3
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I'm wondering how Cuba avoided getting dragged in to it along with them.
Pop-O-Matic
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We'll see a lot of Repubs fold if he rejects.
Based on what? This is not a slim majority on either. This is happening.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Gotta follow Dear Leader.
That's not even the end of it. If this breaks out into a trade war, then he'll be able to say that he was the only one that tried to stop it. And it's looking like both Europe and Russia are going to retaliate.
I'm willing to bet he signs it though. I mean, vetoing would be good for him in the long term but I don't think that'll be his way of thinking.
It's pretty much a lock at this point. The only way to stop it is if the WH and Trump coordinate to promote the narrative that this will ultimately hurt the American people. The people need to turn overwhelmingly against it in a rather short period of time. So yeah, it's not happening. Just coordination from Trump and WH is impossible enough.
There will be a nice tweet storm from Trump about how this is going to turn into Hillary's Trade War and it was brought to us by Obama's weakness and inaction to do anything about Russia. That'll be nice.
FUCKING perfect gif for that response!
What do you propose they do? Sit on their hands against Russia?
PatThePassive
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They are still an ally of Russia in the middle east is my guess.
This is already stiffly against Dear Leader since the White House has already pushed against it. You don't pass something with those kind of majorities without a bold intention to pass.
So 51 Republican senators voted yes to "lol pwn" Donald?
dragonelite
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Pretty sure the US is pissed they lost Iraq to Iran and Russia after spending that much money in the region.
Not sure how we in the EU will feel about the collateral damage to us. Had rather hoped the Us would have coordinated with the EU.
Maintenance
Member
Smart russians, they had a second mole if the Trump mission failed.
Skinny Pete
Banned
Trump has no choice but to sign it or he's pretty much guilty of everything that is being said about him. Well he's guilty anyway but he will make it even more obvious.
He has an amazing ability to act literally as guilty as is humanly possible at all times.
Coriolanus
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discuss with your european allies the best course of action to take as a group, thus ensuring that, whatever you do end up doing, it has the maximum possible impact.
fwiw i'd be quite surprised if iran isn't lowkey restarting its nuclear weps program asap. I sure as fuck would do that as soon as i saw that The Orange Twat would be in charge of the most powerful nation in the world.
Muffin1611
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EU officials already said that they're gonna react quickly and try to protect firms from US influence with an EU regulation or gonna complain at the WTO, since it's threatening EU energy security. So I'm not sure why they're going through with this when the sanctions are throwing their allies under the bus and those are gonna try to limit the effect of the sanctions. Coordination would work better.
But then again, I don't think Trump would coordinate. So I guess they gotta do something so they don't appear weak.
PatThePassive
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You guys in the EU better get ready for Turkey to peace out as well they look ready to start siding with Iran, Russia if things keep up
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
I don't think he'll sign it at first
He'll cite how "smart" he is by not signing it and blame Obama somehow followed by a 3 am tweet
While i understand that notion... you'd have our president doing everything he can to degrade any progress made on those discussions.
Skinny Pete
Banned
You're prob right actually.
Coriolanus
Banned
Indeed you would. Still better than to go ahead with a bullheaded move and antagonize your allies in the process. They matter.