Yeah we didn't get that weapon where we wanted it, it just spawns a huge ass cone that triggers enemy damage. Switch to the CD with "Q" that weapon is more finished
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GAF Indie Game Development Thread 2: High Res Work for Low Res Pay
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shysaursoft
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Ah, that works better - actually managed to kill a few. I really like the screen desync / scanline effect, it's pretty spot-on.
Thanks for people's kind words about the HK Switch gif!
Ahh, that sucks, but if you like the idea you can always put aside like a weekend or so to finish it off if you wanna see the idea through.
Ahh, that sucks, but if you like the idea you can always put aside like a weekend or so to finish it off if you wanna see the idea through.
Yeah, this was my first GGJ and I had a terrible time. Our group was comprised of strangers and everything that could go wrong went wrong (completely changed game ideas halfway through, team members left, morale was low etc). Early Sunday morning, I went back to the original idea and attempted to salvage it and we ended up with this:
http://globalgamejam.org/2017/games/newton-defence
I improved my bump-mapping code a bit. There were a few bugs in there. One was
the following; for making some cool animation later on, I converted the
tangent frame to a quaternion. The normal in tangent space is (in my case)
(0,1,0), which I use for bump-mapping. Having computed the bump-mapped normal
in tangent space and transforming back using said quaternion produced a few
odd normal here and there. I found out that the quaternion was a bit off in
mapping the (defined) tangent space normal back to world space normal by a few
digits. As it turned out, my fast conversion from matrix to quaternion hasn't
enough precision for this to work properly. xD I fixed that and everything was
just fine. I also tried another way in transforming the world space normal into
tangent space and using this one as the normal instead of (0,1,0), but that
gets a bit messy further down. I also implemented bilinear filtering and fixed
some minor texture bugs.
old
new
good old world map
Also tried fading the bumps with distance. Don't know if that makes sense
further down, but does lessen the aliasing a bit (see second image above as
well) and may also help to reduce specular flickering later on. Will see.
normal map
the following; for making some cool animation later on, I converted the
tangent frame to a quaternion. The normal in tangent space is (in my case)
(0,1,0), which I use for bump-mapping. Having computed the bump-mapped normal
in tangent space and transforming back using said quaternion produced a few
odd normal here and there. I found out that the quaternion was a bit off in
mapping the (defined) tangent space normal back to world space normal by a few
digits. As it turned out, my fast conversion from matrix to quaternion hasn't
enough precision for this to work properly. xD I fixed that and everything was
just fine. I also tried another way in transforming the world space normal into
tangent space and using this one as the normal instead of (0,1,0), but that
gets a bit messy further down. I also implemented bilinear filtering and fixed
some minor texture bugs.
old
new
good old world map
Also tried fading the bumps with distance. Don't know if that makes sense
further down, but does lessen the aliasing a bit (see second image above as
well) and may also help to reduce specular flickering later on. Will see.
normal map
If I ever manage to carve out some time, I want to dive seriously into UE4 and try to make something.
I've used UDK off and on over the years, and messed briefly with UE4. Are there any references, guides, intros, summaries, tutorials, etc. that are highly recommended? Or should I just dive in and look up stuff when I need it like usual?
I've used UDK off and on over the years, and messed briefly with UE4. Are there any references, guides, intros, summaries, tutorials, etc. that are highly recommended? Or should I just dive in and look up stuff when I need it like usual?
Hey, all! I have really been missing out on this thread. 
Been super busy at work and stuff. Everyone's stuff looks great as usual.
Anyway, spent the last weekend readying a greenlight campaign for a game I've been working on off and on for six months. And we're it's on greenlight today! It's called A Quick Death and it's a 2-player competitive western shootout.
Here's the trailer I recently cut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsJ9fwJvfQ
And you can vote for it here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846583048
I'd really appreciate it. And it ain't your bag, no sweat. Thanks, everyone!
Been super busy at work and stuff. Everyone's stuff looks great as usual.Anyway, spent the last weekend readying a greenlight campaign for a game I've been working on off and on for six months. And we're it's on greenlight today! It's called A Quick Death and it's a 2-player competitive western shootout.
Here's the trailer I recently cut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsJ9fwJvfQ
And you can vote for it here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846583048
I'd really appreciate it. And it ain't your bag, no sweat. Thanks, everyone!
Man, this looks awesome. Love the art.On my end, I've been super quiet/antisocial as we crunch non-stop towards Hollow Knight's release. I do have this cool GIF that Ari made to announce our Switch release though:
I'm putting achievements in today too which'll be fun to try out.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
What resolution are you working in and how tall/big (pixel wise) will your final character sprites be when it's all said and done? After seeing traditional animated HD games like Cuphead and Indivisible I was curious to know what was a great size for image quality, yet decent enough not to take up alot of memory/space/etc.. (I realize there is no perfect size, just curious what works for you or anyone else doing HD traditional animated sprites)
Hey DevGAF,
Long time lurker. For the past year a friend and I have been working with Unity to make a Pokemon/Digimon Style game but with adult sensibilities and survival elements.
We want The Last Monsters to play like the best parts of Pokemon and Grandia 2 with a pinch of Oregon Trail. Combat is a blend of realtime and turn-based to allow for more strategic decisions.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFCXlcCcY5Q
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2041403205/the-last-monsters
We made it onto Kickstarter and received their "Project's We Love" but are looking for additional feedback about the project and where to go from here. Thanks.
Long time lurker. For the past year a friend and I have been working with Unity to make a Pokemon/Digimon Style game but with adult sensibilities and survival elements.
We want The Last Monsters to play like the best parts of Pokemon and Grandia 2 with a pinch of Oregon Trail. Combat is a blend of realtime and turn-based to allow for more strategic decisions.
[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFCXlcCcY5Q
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2041403205/the-last-monsters
We made it onto Kickstarter and received their "Project's We Love" but are looking for additional feedback about the project and where to go from here. Thanks.
Hey there
it me again
So i've started my devblog for helvetii, with my very first entry here
https://kevpec.com/2017/01/24/helvetii-dev-blog-1/
It's very exciting for me but also terrifying as an introvert, but I decided to share my road during the dev of this project which is super important to me. And since ya'll are super nice and were very supportive, I thought i'd share with you, maybe you'll find it interesting
it me again
So i've started my devblog for helvetii, with my very first entry here
https://kevpec.com/2017/01/24/helvetii-dev-blog-1/
It's very exciting for me but also terrifying as an introvert, but I decided to share my road during the dev of this project which is super important to me. And since ya'll are super nice and were very supportive, I thought i'd share with you, maybe you'll find it interesting
Jacksinthe
Banned
So... Who is next?
I've been MIA from the site and from this thread but we are less than 2k posts from thread limit... Which one of you fine developers shall I be passing the reigns to?
I've been MIA from the site and from this thread but we are less than 2k posts from thread limit... Which one of you fine developers shall I be passing the reigns to?
me :u
LordRaptor
Member
I think missiles 3d gaf logo and dev globe is part of his opening salvo for election
I finally added the flame weapon. It's still WIP, but it's mostly done. In particular I think the impact point needs cleaned up a bit and made more interesting.
https://gfycat.com/GrouchyYoungAsiansmallclawedotter
The way it works -- Molten shots make impacts that set fire to anything near. Additionally, enemies already tagged by a shot will allow future shots to pass through, though the ones that pass through will be diminished. Currently, diminished bullets don't start new fires, but I'm starting to think they should.
Enemies can also spread fires to eachother:
https://gfycat.com/ThornyWigglyArabianwildcat
https://gfycat.com/GrouchyYoungAsiansmallclawedotter
The way it works -- Molten shots make impacts that set fire to anything near. Additionally, enemies already tagged by a shot will allow future shots to pass through, though the ones that pass through will be diminished. Currently, diminished bullets don't start new fires, but I'm starting to think they should.
Enemies can also spread fires to eachother:
https://gfycat.com/ThornyWigglyArabianwildcat
Since now that your game is out in the wild you're back at devdesk?Missile, what exactly are you doing? a engine for limited hardware? a lowres game? Your gifs are cool, so I wanna know more
Are you going to write about how things went and stuff?
About the graphics, I wrote a couple of lines about it some time ago;
tl;dr: spectral reflection + adaptive human perception
Well, the bump-mapping isn't really of any interest to me. I'm not after some
cool bump-mapped graphics or something. That's pretty old stuff, yet cool
on its own (Blinn ftw!). Anyhow, I'm just implementing some ways for
controlling the renderer via texture/function mapping making it easier to
control the renderer and for creating certain cool looks later on.
Next I'm going to implement a 3d texture space moving and rotating with the
objects such that the surface point to be textured is taken out of a volume
texture. This will allow for an infinite amount of cool textures and ways to
control the renderer. Also also want to bump-map it.
I would have some interest, but not this time around. This year will get
pretty though for me, for, I went all-in and now nature is going to calls me
on all frequencies, if you know what I mean.
Looks really good! Fire weapons are always fun. Are enemies gonna be able to set you alight as well? Not sure if that would work with your setup, but could be an interesting trade-off for a powerful weapon.
Ha, that's cool! Burn 'em! What I recognized in your game, giving me some
second thoughts, is the similarity in how the shoots look (elliptical). I
also think there could be some more cool trails for the weapons. For example,
considering the flame weapon, what about letting the flame oscillate a bit
like a wave when moving forwards with the particles close-by / within the wake
start to move in a swirling pattern? I think this will also enhance the
perception of any atmosphere the player is in. And as such the effect my vary
with the set atmosphere (viscosity).
What resolution are you working in and how tall/big (pixel wise) will your final character sprites be when it's all said and done? After seeing traditional animated HD games like Cuphead and Indivisible I was curious to know what was a great size for image quality, yet decent enough not to take up alot of memory/space/etc.. (I realize there is no perfect size, just curious what works for you or anyone else doing HD traditional animated sprites)
Speaking only for Pacha, to target HD resolution (1900x1080/1900x1200 - 4K is simply unrealistic with my means), my base canvas for drawing/animating is 3200x3200, which I reduce to 1000x1000 before exporting individual images (I like the compression artifacts that occur when reducing the image like this, those who won't will likely use an entirely different workflow/initial canvas size to avoid them). Cropping those images in C2 results in the frames being about 250x550 on average for the character standing motionless (the exact size varies based on the motions done, some require almost the full size of the initial canvas, like the warrior's spinning jump, so there's no single "true" number to rely on here). That's for having a rather large sprite on screen, I could probably get away with much smaller sprites if I had the character take up less screenspace!
On average, under these conditions and with an average of 12-14 frames per anim for simple motions (again, this can vary wildly), an animation requires about 10Mb of RAM according to C2's "estimated memory usage". I'm currently sitting at an overall estimated usage of 1.25Gb with only the main character's anims+some very small side stuff, I estimate the whole game to need about 2.5/3 when all is said and done (again, based on C2's metrics).
I'm not exactly sure what you were asking, so I hope these numbers will be of some help!
Hey there
it me again
So i've started my devblog for helvetii, with my very first entry here
https://kevpec.com/2017/01/24/helvetii-dev-blog-1/
It's very exciting for me but also terrifying as an introvert, but I decided to share my road during the dev of this project which is super important to me. And since ya'll are super nice and were very supportive, I thought i'd share with you, maybe you'll find it interesting
Haven't read it yet in full yet, but as a fellow introvert, I can only say: good going! Sharing is tough, but should help in the long run, and makes for a powerful motivator if you make it a habit :-D One small thing, if I may: at the end, the self-deprecation may get a tad bit strong, and feels a bit unnecessary when contrasted with the work you've done so far!
I was just watching (well, listening to, rather) the latest AGDQ block for Metal Slug+Contra, so this flame shot feels in direct continuity of what I was seeing a moment ago :-D Spread gun when? :-D
Haha, agreed! And even if not, I still think it needs to be part of the next OP! Speaking of next thread, has an OP title been decided yet? If not, in keeping with the current thinking and in reference to the above, how about something like "Targeting 4K ($/y)"
or is that too self-deprecating? :v
ROFL
There's a shotgun already, but it's only much use at very close range.
I think I get what you mean. I might experiment with this later.
thank you!
like with most alt weapons, this is gained from a hunter who can use it against you. With that in mind, yeah, he can set you on fire, but it hadn't occurred to me to allow enemies to spread fire to you. I might make it work that way.
I tried making it, like, juicier: https://gfycat.com/NimbleBeneficialCockatiel
LordRaptor
Member
I would have some interest, but not this time around. This year will get
pretty though for me, for, I went all-in and now nature is going to calls me
on all frequencies, if you know what I mean.
I regret to say I don't, but I can only follow a fraction of most of your posts at the best of times, lol
I'm still half-convinced you're creating SkyNet or something
Seconded. I have no idea what this means, but I'm excited nonetheless.
Yeah, this was my first GGJ and I had a terrible time. Our group was comprised of strangers and everything that could go wrong went wrong (completely changed game ideas halfway through, team members left, morale was low etc). Early Sunday morning, I went back to the original idea and attempted to salvage it and we ended up with this:
http://globalgamejam.org/2017/games/newton-defence
That's pretty rough
Our ggj team decided to go all in with vr, using the rift, touch controllers, and a Virzoom bike. It's was an extremely bumpy ride, the game wasn't playable at all till like hour 40.
We pretty much built a paperboy like game where you throw papers and wave at your fellow citizens.
We want to keep working on it and smooth off the rough edges.
Fuck yes!its a disco ball!
With some environment mapping and some other speculars it should be just cool. I tried making a 360 spherical rendering into a 2:1 texture
from an arbitrary point in the scene, but for some reason it's rather buggy.
At the start of august you will know. But has nothing to do with gamedev. It
effects just me but on all accounts. No problem with the post. Most of it isn't
very useful at all unless someone follows a similar track. But I hope my
pictures will tell on their own further down the road.
Btw; What happend? And what is the state of MF1? Are you kickin sh!t on PS4?
gashikunFLCL
Member
Thanks for playing it.
Just discovered that my teacher put a video of the game on the college youtube channel. It's really hard playing alone with the controller, I play tested the stages with the keyboard and played some of them with the controller, but we veteran players have to show how it's done *smirk*. Since you played alone I don't think you tried out the VS mode, it's a nice break from the main game.
I think I didn't put the InputManager of the dpad in some of the menus beacuse it was a late addition, so I just tested it while playing(one more thing to fix). About the jumping bug we found it while we were presenting the game, I played the first stage and then my partners played the rest while I explained and when it happened the one playing with player two went back to the keyboard, but just to confirm, when this happened you were pressing the shoulder button or the face button?
And again, thanks.
shysaursoft
Member
It was the face button (Y), for the lower character on the first puzzle.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Still at it. Getting more done. Just not feeling much discussion lately. Swapped some meds and I've been off a bit since. Need to swap again but changes take some time. That's about it.
And Raptor already threw down the gauntlet for you so now you must fight to the death with others for king of the next thread. We will lose a few good devs but it's for a good cause
Good to hear. All the best, man!
Down with Lord Raptor! We already lost a couple of good devs in fighting for... And Raptor already threw down the gauntlet for you so now you must fight to the death with others for king of the next thread. We will lose a few good devs but it's for a good cause
our indieland, but we won't give up. Baronet Pehesse nailed it on the wall;
*** no more High Res Work for Low Res Pay ***
*** Targeting 4K ($/y) ***
TO ARMS!
Colors are nice. I actually like the little shiny touch he has. How many
A new animation for when you summon divinities
AWAKEN MY MASTERS
frame will the animation finally have?
What tools have you been using lately? Just curious
I'm in the same position as you, and last time I tried to get into UE4, there was a massive playlist on youtube with like 400 official videos you could plough throw. It contained both a complete game(s?) you could code along with the videos and content regarding every single feature and button in the UI, all from Epic themselves with updated annotations as new engine versions came out. I'd link it to you but I'm at work. Should be real easy to find though.Learn how to draw. It's cheaper.
I haven't been doing game development in quite some time. I've used UDK, messed with Unity, messed with Blender, messed with various Game Maker and similar tools, and created my own 2D engine in C++.What tools have you been using lately? Just curious
That's a mess! xD
I´ve been making slow progress in the last weeks, though nothing that can shine in a gif, just rewriting the collision engine and making some tweaks to the core of the level editor. I´m getting really burned with the level editor, it´s taking A LOT of time and I feel like if I ditched I could´ve already made 3 or 4 levels for the game. Instead I don´t have crap to play a year after starting the game The hope of the editor making level creation much faster in the future is what keeps me going on, the truth is that it´s more flexible and solid than it´s ever been now. I think that in a week or so the engine may be back on the point I was at September when I had a working basic demo and had to scrap almost all of the level editor core code.
I´m using GMS1 and am a bit proud of the collision system I´ve come up with. I still need to test it under stressful conditions with many enemies and moving platforms to make sure performance is stable, but it´s looking very promising so far. If anyone wants more details please ask
GAF Indie Game Development Thread 3: Lazy Devs Targetting 4K ($/y)
The hope of the editor making level creation much faster in the future is what keeps me going on, the truth is that it´s more flexible and solid than it´s ever been now. I think that in a week or so the engine may be back on the point I was at September when I had a working basic demo and had to scrap almost all of the level editor core code.I´m using GMS1 and am a bit proud of the collision system I´ve come up with. I still need to test it under stressful conditions with many enemies and moving platforms to make sure performance is stable, but it´s looking very promising so far. If anyone wants more details please ask
Those numbers are insane! I´m struggling here with simple 32x64px animations and you are easily making stuff 6 times bigger with more frames (and better). Kudos to you, sir.
Lol I love that OP title. May I suggest a smal addition?
GAF Indie Game Development Thread 3: Lazy Devs Targetting 4K ($/y)
I think you are either:missile said:This year will get
pretty though for me, for, I went all-in and now nature is going to calls me
on all frequencies, if you know what I mean.
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Having a child (big congratulations if so!)
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Having to go through an ancestral ceremony where you´re left on your own in the middle of a forest armed only with a pasta strainer and must survive for a month to become a man. And the pasta strainer is cursed.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Yeah I guess I could have worded it better.
I just wanted to know the pixel size of your (idle) sprite (for your main character).
Most 2D games are either "pixel" or HD puppeteer/flash style (Vanillaware), so seeing that you choose an HD traditional animated style had me curious to your method and the technical pros and cons (outside of drawing every frame) that picking that style brings.
I read that you were using Construct and (if I'm not mistaken) that you were close to maxing out the size limit with just the main character alone. Is that because the system assumes you are making a game for mobile? If Construct is limiting, why do you use it instead of another program or is it just the program you happen to be familiar with.
HandsomeCharles
Member
Thx man! Yes, I'm becoming a father!!!
Six month to go... Holy!It's really two different things, though - a bigger canvas doesn't mean harder, in fact I'd argue the opposite :-D You have to make every pixel count, whereas I can afford lots of approximation!
Thx man! Yes, I'm becoming a father!!!
Oh! Congrats :-D :-D
Ah, I see!
Well, in my case it's really an aesthetical choice: as far as I know, there are few to no pros on the technical side to use that animation technique (and most others are designed expressedly to cover for its faults) - it's longer, it's harder, it costs a lot more... I just find the aesthetical gain to completely offset those cons and make it ultimately "worth it", but it's obvious I couldn't do this in any kind of traditional industrial setting! Very few "standard industrial" mid-size studios can afford it (in fact, I can only really think of Lab Zero these days), and I only can because I work solo, on my own schedule every day with little in the way of short-term external deadlines, and where the main pressure comes from my source of funding (french welfare system, with oversight by the people in charge of my situation) - meaning if they decide to cut me off at any point, I have nothing left, as I have barely enough to make it month to month as it is. (To be clear, I'm not complaining, far from it: just trying to answer your question as detailed as I can to underline that it's not a choice to be made lightly, and that I made it because I believe it's one of the few things I *can* do and bring to the table at this point).
Regarding C2, I've talked about it a few times and I may have been unclear: there is no actual "max memory size limit" that I know of, but the engine had a memory warning when going over an arbitrary size (1Gb of estimated RAM usage), which is what I have repeatedly complained about. After enough complaining, though, C2's devs have very recently removed this warning and the associated hassle (many thanks to them!!) meaning I'm free to stuff as many assets as I want in C2... at least, so far! Maybe I'll run up against an actual wall later down the line :-D
I'm using C2 because it's the only engine I know of that is explicitely designed *not* to rely on written code by the user. Even Game Maker expects users to know and use GML after a while, and I simply cannot learn/use proper programming syntax (spent enough years hitting my head against that specific wall to know that's a major issue for me). If I'm to work solo, C2 is the only engine I *can* use, as everything about it is accessible through visual building blocks (Unity and Unreal have some "visual scripting" plugins I know of, but in my experience, they're still very limiting and don't allow for use of the whole engine's capabilities, like C2 does).
So it's basically a "make do with what I have" situation, where I'm lucky enough that C2 can do what I want well enough! :-D
But it's true that it's primarily designed with mobile games in mind, so one has to watch out for issues specific to bigger projects that might pop up: if you intend to use C2 for your own ends, look into the trial version/other games (most notably: Yonder, Klang) that have been done with it first to see if it suits your needs!
EDIT: shoot, top of the page, I was hoping someone else would've posted something while I was typing that novel. Well uh, have one of the latest animations:
(one of the last for a while, actually, as I'll begin cleaning/coloring all of the sketches so far in the coming days and for a likely big part of the year, so updates might get a bit scarce).
Also, I hadn't posted the finished version of the illustration I had posted prior, so here it is as well for those curious/interested:
Thx man! Yes, I'm becoming a father!!!
Congrats!
timetokill
Banned
Congrats missile!!
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