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Star Wars The Last Jedi Spoiler discussion thread: THERE WILL BE UNMARKED SPOILERS!

Why are so many people hating on this movie? I thought it was amazing from start to finish. The fact it has the lowest audience score on RT out of all the movies is a joke.

Are people just butt hurt their clever head canon they created after 2 years didn't pan out at all, that women dominated a lot of the screen time, or nostalgic manbabies that are upset that their beloved legendary hero Luke Skywalker isn't so legendary after all.

This movie got kinda dark in all the right ways and while it's not perfect and their are legitimate complaints to be had, the critics got this one right, and that usually never happens.

God damn. It really bugs me the dumb assumptions people will make to discredit those with a different opinion than them. Have you read the criticisms people have posted in this thread? They're explaining exactly why they didn't like the movie. Nobody's saying "I hate this movie" without giving some reasons why (And certainly nobody is giving off any sexist vibes, what the fuck).

There are some super cringey moments in the movie (flying Leia, the casino) and some really incredible ones (Yoda, lightspeed kamikaze) and the story took a very interesting turn. Whether someone strongly liked or disliked the movie, both are fair understandable positions and it's silly to start shitting on "the other side"
 

Jezan

Member
Why are so many people hating on this movie? I thought it was amazing from start to finish. The fact it has the lowest audience score on RT out of all the movies is a joke.

Are people just butt hurt their clever head canon they created after 2 years didn't pan out at all, that women dominated a lot of the screen time, or nostalgic manbabies that are upset that their beloved legendary hero Luke Skywalker isn't so legendary after all.

This movie got kinda dark in all the right ways and while it's not perfect and their are legitimate complaints to be had, the critics got this one right, and that usually never happens.
You should read again what people are criticizing. It's not blind hate, those are good points , but then if you wanna be contrarian just for the sake of it, do it, it's probably what RJ tried by making fun of older fans, but missing the point entirely.
 
Phasma had very little role in this movie AGAIN.
Overall I thought the movie was meh. The only part I felt any kind of excitement was when Rey and Ren fighting against Snoke's guards.
 

Crazyorloco

Member
At the end of the force awakens I had a lot of questions and couldn’t wait to see what happens next. It made me think and look forward to the future. Now at the end of the last Jedi I just feel like they could end the trilogy right there. For the next movie I expect a Kylo/Rey fight. For me there isn’t much else to care about in the future though. Oh and what will they do with Leia.

Phasma had very little role in this movie AGAIN.
Overall I thought the movie was meh. The only part I felt any kind of excitement was when Rey and Ren fighting against Snoke's guards.

Felt the same. Such a disappointment overall.
 

joshcryer

it's ok, you're all right now
This is definitely my sore point of the film, Luke was strong minded, confident, wise and had the support of the JEDI A-TEAM to turn to. 'Hey Master Yoda, Obi Wan and Dad, you've all been in this situation, how should I handle this?' A flow of advice, he would have stopped Kylo's training, who wouldn't have never overpowered Luke in the first place and the force would have taken it's natural course. We never really learn what makes Kylo so angry. But for Luke to give up, never, he's been through too much and with that team on his shoulder he could and would have achieved far more. However anyone tries to frame this, there is no way this is the same character.

Kylo Ren killed basically everyone at Luke's Jedi school. They seem to have retcon out the Kylo Ren troopers for some reason. Luke mind reading him and seeing absolute darkness and wanting to kill him isn't that bad (and totally in character for Luke). Kylo Ren turning and thinking he was going to kill him isn't bad either (though the idea that Luke "created him" is nonsense). It's clear Snoke had a hand in turning Ren from the start, and that's how the school got destroyed.

Snoke senses Ren, turns him to the dark by stoking his fears, Luke has a moment of pure fear, loses it, and it backfires in a bad way.

Luke didn't give up at that moment, he had everything taken away, and from that point forward he went into exile. Same thing happened with Yoda, same thing happened with Obi-Wan. I don't see this as out of character for Luke.

Ideally, when Rey finds him, he should've seen the good in her (she is a Mary Sue after all), and then his old self would've returned, and they would've had a rip roaring adventure taking out The First Order. But it seems that the writer wanted to focus on the dark side, and Rey's struggle with being drawn toward it, to deviate from retelling the original Star Wars. That's fine, too, mind you. Until she fails the darkness test, he is actually lovable and fun and not a crotchy old guy, does silly stuff (people made fun of the teet drinking stuff but I could see Luke doing that, jumping off the cliff to catch the fish with the speer, shaking his head at every time Rey messed with the locals, etc).

I do wish we got the whole focusing on the light side, destroying the dark side thing, but they've obviously copy tested the treatment for the script and going forward they want to introduce shades of grey into the universe. Wouldn't surprise me if they did go with the whole "Death Star was filled with innocent contractors" argument eventually.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Its the only film in the series that does not make me watch another film.


This should have either been 7 or 9. Set the expectation from the jump or end the story with Luke dying. It betrays many things from ep7 and cheapens the hell out of Snoke.


Its solid film with good actors and sfx. Everything is technically sound but the story fails to feel like good star wars. For that it's bottom tier star wars for me. For every problem the PT has, the story felt like star wars.

I'm going to seen it again but...
 

Dcube

Member
I watched this today. This film wasn't bad, definitely not prequel territory. It was decently made, but the story was kind of dragged out. I was so bored during the first half that by the big lightsaber battle I was ready for it to end..and then there's a whole other planet. I don't think it did anything exceptionally bad, but I can't recall anything memorable either, its just kind of there. I don't think I'll ever have the desire to see it again.
 
As a huge Star Wars fan this movie was fun, and very entertaining.

I will probably never ever watch it again though...where was the narrative or building to ...anything?

They blew their load with Snoke too...what a shame.
 

lachesis

Member
mixed feeling, but liked it very much.
I don't know how they are going to take Leia into Ep9, though - as Fisher passed away. I thought it would have been better if there wasn't Super Leia scene or just end that way.

But the biggest question is who the heck was Snoke? Rey coming from a nowhere didn't bother me much. Actually it was pretty fresh take - because universe is large and anything could happen. but Snoke, really needed some backstory explanation.

As for Luke - I really enjoyed the scenes, including silly ones. I'm sure since he's going to be a force ghost along with Yoda, I'm sure we'll see him in Ep9 in a big way. After all, the whole series is about Skywalkers... so I just can't foresee anything other than him playing huge part in ep9, even if they are trying to do No Jedi, No Sith, No Skywalker theme... because in itself, is the Star Wars universe IMO.
 
To sum it up it just lacked any kind of building to a grand story...the film series could have ended here and nothing would have been lost.
 

Vidiot

Member
Huge Star Wars fan. Didn't like this at all. Like to the point where I don't care about seeing the next one all that much anymore. Super bummed out right now.
 

shira

Member
Huge Star Wars fan. Didn't like this at all. Like to the point where I don't care about seeing the next one all that much anymore. Super bummed out right now.
Same.

Really questionable stuff.
- Casinoland
- preschooler level comedy (hold joke, Hux and Ren giving orders, bacta sight gag, milk sight gag)
- nerfing Finn from quasi-Jedi to junk character
- Poe turning into 80's renegade cop full yolo
- complete waste of bdt, gwendolyn christie, domhall gleeson, laura dern
- making up their own artificial scenarios with bizzare limitations like fuel limit chase but having time to visit Casinoland, needing a codebreaker to remove the tracker
- absolutely bizarre ending with emphasis on broom kid
 

thequestion

Member
Same.

Really questionable stuff.
- Casinoland
- preschooler level comedy (hold joke, Hux and Ren giving orders, bacta sight gag, milk sight gag)
- nerfing Finn from quasi-Jedi to junk character
- Poe turning into 80's renegade cop full yolo
- complete waste of bdt, gwendolyn christie, domhall gleeson, laura dern
- making up their own artificial scenarios with bizzare limitations like fuel limit chase but having time to visit Casinoland, needing a codebreaker to remove the tracker
- absolutely bizarre ending with emphasis on broom kid


I guarantee in episode 9 there will be a large scale ground conflict and the rebels will be greatly outnumbered. However, unlike Return of the Jedi, where the rebels were aided by Ewoks, this time it will be broom kids. The broom kids are going to aid the rebels to victory. It's going to be great....
 

Shouta

Member
Same.

Really questionable stuff.
- Casinoland
- preschooler level comedy (hold joke, Hux and Ren giving orders, bacta sight gag, milk sight gag)
- nerfing Finn from quasi-Jedi to junk character
- Poe turning into 80's renegade cop full yolo
- complete waste of bdt, gwendolyn christie, domhall gleeson, laura dern
- making up their own artificial scenarios with bizzare limitations like fuel limit chase but having time to visit Casinoland, needing a codebreaker to remove the tracker
- absolutely bizarre ending with emphasis on broom kid

How is the chase scenario bizarre? It's set-up perfectly. They can't hyperspace jump because they're being tracked. As soon as they jump, they get followed and are blown out of the water because their fuel reserves are gone. So the best choice is to continue running from the First Order as they can maintain a range outside of the enemy fleet's effective firing range. Just before Finn and Rose take off, they mention the fuel reserves have an 18 hour limit so it gives them time to try for the Codebreaker at least.

They wanted to disable the tracker for a short time instead of destroying it because they said it could just be tracked from another capital ship. To be able to disable it, they had to get on to the ship undetected and do something about it. The First Order's security to access those systems was tough enough that they needed a special codebreaker to get through hence why they went to the casino to find the dude after consulting with Maz.

Ending is about the fact that there still some Resistance/Rebels left and that they were the ones that kept hope alive in the universe, not just a Jedi. The broom kid served two points there. One was that he had the signet ring that Rose showed him on the planet, meaning that there was still support for their cause. The other was that there were still force sensitive/force users out there as the kid was able to force pull the broom to himself a short ways.

The other stuff is definitely YMMV but the scenario and why things occurred made total sense.
 

ShodanMAN

Member
How is the chase scenario bizarre? It's set-up perfectly. They can't hyperspace jump because they're being tracked. As soon as they jump, they get followed and are blown out of the water because their fuel reserves are gone. So the best choice is to continue running from the First Order as they can maintain a range outside of the enemy fleet's effective firing range. Just before Finn and Rose take off, they mention the fuel reserves have an 18 hour limit so it gives them time to try for the Codebreaker at least.

They wanted to disable the tracker for a short time instead of destroying it because they said it could just be tracked from another capital ship. To be able to disable it, they had to get on to the ship undetected and do something about it. The First Order's security to access those systems was tough enough that they needed a special codebreaker to get through hence why they went to the casino to find the dude after consulting with Maz.

You don't think it's strange and plot convenient that the 'Supremacy' (Snoke's big new flag ship star destroyer) a ship clearly more advanced than any other ship in the movie seems to only be able to do two speeds; hyperspace and the exact same pace as the resistance ship? Kinda weird that they couldn't increase their speed even a little to close the distance without needing to even go into hyperspace.

A tense chase can be enjoyable, but having contrived variables to make it happen breaks it down.
 

caffeware

Banned
One big problem is who's the villain now? Ben, the conflicted kid? General Hux, the moron?

We knew the poor profile of this two before, but Snoke was there to even things out. "He is more powerful than Vader and the Emperor". Nope, another lamemo.

I can see Ben being like Mumra from the Thundercats: He looks tough, but they give him a whopping every episode.
 

shira

Member
How is the chase scenario bizarre? It's set-up perfectly. They can't hyperspace jump because they're being tracked. As soon as they jump, they get followed and are blown out of the water because their fuel reserves are gone. So the best choice is to continue running from the First Order as they can maintain a range outside of the enemy fleet's effective firing range. Just before Finn and Rose take off, they mention the fuel reserves have an 18 hour limit so it gives them time to try for the Codebreaker at least.
Take Empire Strikes Back. They are in a similar no-warp scenario except there is an asteroid field that they duck into. Imagine if they just chased the Millennium Falcon for 18 hours until they ran out of fuel.

They wanted to disable the tracker for a short time instead of destroying it because they said it could just be tracked from another capital ship. To be able to disable it, they had to get on to the ship undetected and do something about it. The First Order's security to access those systems was tough enough that they needed a special codebreaker to get through hence why they went to the casino to find the dude after consulting with Maz.
First and foremost why didn't they work as a group to solve the problem. They presumably have engineers and tactical experts that can help. Instead they did what morons do. Decide to fuck over the entire team so they can do some crazy shit.

What is a codebreaker? Like why does this gambler have these skills that a computer or BB8 can't do. And what they were going to somehow convince this guy(who is presumably good at gambling and rich) to board the flagship of the First Order. I mean what was the exit plan? Was it a suicide mission?

So instead of getting this elite codebreaker they go with a thief. Just based on the fact that he broke out of jail. It doesn't make sense. Like ok we didn't get the expert, let's suicide mission with this dude we just met? So in the end their whole fucking plan doesn't work. And we just watched 1 hour of jebaited. I mean that is incredibly unsatisfying as a viewer. Like why would I want to watch a mutiny. Rebel rebel fighters is dumb.

Ending is about the fact that there still some Resistance/Rebels left and that they were the ones that kept hope alive in the universe, not just a Jedi. The broom kid served two points there. One was that he had the signet ring that Rose showed him on the planet, meaning that there was still support for their cause. The other was that there were still force sensitive/force users out there as the kid was able to force pull the broom to himself a short ways.
Yes I interpreted it like that, but I don't want to watch the next movie based on this outcome.
 

Barren Mind

Member
This movie was so disappointing. It's a mess with some sprinkled in cool parts. I also found it boring and overlong. The really disliked how they portrayed the connection between Rey and Kylo. I'm not mad they had a connection but I felt the execution was lazy and uninspiring. Also the way Snoke was dispatched fell flat for me. This was also a problem with execution in my opinion.

I loved the force awakens. This felt like a poor follow up.
 

farmerboy

Member
Say what you want about the movie, but Luke walking out to face the First Order walkers and troops with the sunset behind them was boss as fuck. What a great looking scene.
 

caffeware

Banned
‘The Last Jedi’ Positive Reviews May Have Come From Financial And Social Pressure

OPINION
Sometimes, the studios or PR company will go out of their way to make you feel “comfortable” at the film, offering you all-you-can-eat popcorn and all-you-can-drink sodas. They may even let you meet one of the film’s stars. However, in the case of The Last Jedi, the extreme fawning over the mediocre film may have something to do with advertising revenue from Disney and affiliates. If a big company such as Disney pulls an add from a site, a significant amount of money is lost. So, it’s quite possible that all these major websites may not want to upset Disney, especially since many careers are dependent on the success of The Last Jedi.
 

trikster40

Member
You don't think it's strange and plot convenient that the 'Supremacy' (Snoke's big new flag ship star destroyer) a ship clearly more advanced than any other ship in the movie seems to only be able to do two speeds; hyperspace and the exact same pace as the resistance ship? Kinda weird that they couldn't increase their speed even a little to close the distance without needing to even go into hyperspace.

A tense chase can be enjoyable, but having contrived variables to make it happen breaks it down.

Hell, why didn’t they just go into light speed and rip through them like Laura Dern did? Boom boom resistance is dead. Long live the First Order.

And why would they not just blast Poe out of the sky at the beginning? They were clearly not giving any quarter to the resistance. And they turned Hux into a bumbling idiot.
 

Jezan

Member
Hell, why didn’t they just go into light speed and rip through them like Laura Dern did? Boom boom resistance is dead. Long live the First Order.

And why would they not just blast Poe out of the sky at the beginning? They were clearly not giving any quarter to the resistance. And they turned Hux into a bumbling idiot.
Starting the movie with Poe making fun of Hux was really disappointing, because it kinda told how stupid may problems were going to be solved, not making sense.

"Leia wants to talk to you"
"No" *blasts the tiny fighter

But no, they had to make Hux an idiot, just like Phasma was (and still is).

Seriously I can't believe they wasted Phasma again.
 

Da-Kid

Member
So just saw the movie.

First thing...

The Knights of Ren: Luke said that Kylo took 6 other students with him when he destroyed the new Jedi.

So I guess they'll be in the Trilogy.

The thing I don't like here is the Rey and Kylo crossroads. It would have been more interesting if Kylo wanted to not be controlled by the Order or Rebels. "Let old things die." made it sound like he didn't want to fight with anyone anymore and go their own way. Then he basically flops and says he'll use the order to do what Snoke pretty much wanted anyways.

That's another thing, Snoke. Why have such a powerful force user that comes seemingly out of nowhere and kill him? With no explanation of his existence whatsoever?

Also, Luke heavily implied the Jedi ways are flawed and then drops that...

Then he dies making a Force projection? WHY? How does that work...? How can you Force kill yourself? And.... what for?

I liked the movie and thought it was great, but I'm really getting tired of this 1 Jedi on Sith in existence shit. I hope the new trilogy has a whole order of Jedi and Sith. This is getting boring now.
 
At the end of the force awakens I had a lot of questions and couldn’t wait to see what happens next. It made me think and look forward to the future. Now at the end of the last Jedi I just feel like they could end the trilogy right there. For the next movie I expect a Kylo/Rey fight. For me there isn’t much else to care about in the future though. Oh and what will they do with Leia.



Felt the same. Such a disappointment overall.


Rey already kicked his ass twice, he don't want no more.
 
I think it's very clear that Disney/Lucas Films has no idea or vision for the SW franchise like they do with their Marvel movies.
 

Shouta

Member
You don't think it's strange and plot convenient that the 'Supremacy' (Snoke's big new flag ship star destroyer) a ship clearly more advanced than any other ship in the movie seems to only be able to do two speeds; hyperspace and the exact same pace as the resistance ship? Kinda weird that they couldn't increase their speed even a little to close the distance without needing to even go into hyperspace.

A tense chase can be enjoyable, but having contrived variables to make it happen breaks it down.

I recall them mentioning that the FO fleet was massive thus was carrying a lot of personnel and equipment. So while advanced, their ability to overtake the Resistance cruiser was limited as a result. I don't really know the specifics of space travel SW but logically that makes sense with cars. Heavier vehicles have more trouble with that sort of thing than lighter, smaller ones.

So I personally don't find it very contrived. I do agree that it could have been more tense but it's not because the scenario itself didn't make sense. They should have had shown more smaller attacks by fighter squadrons to wear down the morale of the crew of the Resistance crusier or attempt to disable their systems. That would have made the situation more desperate.

Take Empire Strikes Back. They are in a similar no-warp scenario except there is an asteroid field that they duck into. Imagine if they just chased the Millennium Falcon for 18 hours until they ran out of fuel.

Yeah, that works well for ESB. They're in the Falcon in that scenario though. It's a much smaller ship than a cruiser. It makes sense they'd use an asteroid field to avoid the Empire.

I'm sure they're a more exciting things they could have done to spice up the chase in this scenario from a writing standpoint but within the context of the story, is there really a problem? How are you gonna avoid star destroyers with a Cruiser if you can't hyperspace?

For reference, the Raddus was 11,280 feet long and and 2318 feet wide according to the this . The Falcon is much smaller by comparison at 112 feet long by 85 feet wide or so according to the same source. I don't know what the Resistance could have done when you consider that.

First and foremost why didn't they work as a group to solve the problem. They presumably have engineers and tactical experts that can help. Instead they did what morons do. Decide to fuck over the entire team so they can do some crazy shit.

Are you referring to Po, Finn, and Rose's plan? I think Finn mentioned that the First Order used unique protocols and only someone specialized in that skill would be able to do it. This was also after Holdo assumed command, told Po to shove off and didn't mention what kind of plan she had.

It definitely would make more sense for them to consult the rest of the crew on the idea but considering the atmosphere after the attack and the fact that their plan didn't have any downsides when they thought of doing it, it works.

Now, it turned out that their plan royally fucked the rest of the Resistance and that should have consequences but no one but Rose and Finn knows that it was Benicio Del Toro that helped the First Order uncover their cloaking devices.

What is a codebreaker? Like why does this gambler have these skills that a computer or BB8 can't do. And what they were going to somehow convince this guy(who is presumably good at gambling and rich) to board the flagship of the First Order. I mean what was the exit plan? Was it a suicide mission?

What's a codebreaker? Movie magic, of course! =P But seriously, in this context it's someone that was specialized in dealing with protocols and cracking that sort of thing. BB8 probably doesn't have the specialized programming to do that and honestly, I wouldn't want him to do that considering he was doing some wild things in the film already.

Why would you assume he's a gambler with codebreaking skills and not a codebreaker that likes gambling? lol. It's way more likely he's there having fun than a pro gambler. Got nothing on how they'd convince them and their exit plan but eh, that's kind of standard SW stuff.

So instead of getting this elite codebreaker they go with a thief. Just based on the fact that he broke out of jail. It doesn't make sense. Like ok we didn't get the expert, let's suicide mission with this dude we just met? So in the end their whole fucking plan doesn't work. And we just watched 1 hour of jebaited. I mean that is incredibly unsatisfying as a viewer. Like why would I want to watch a mutiny. Rebel rebel fighters is dumb.

They just released all the crazy racing animals, rampaged through the city, and were chased by the city police to a cliff until the Thief showed up to save their butts in a stolen ship. They didn't have much time left before the cruiser would run out of fuel and they still had to hyperspace back.

There was no way they could go get the guy they wanted. Considering the Thief said he could do it and was the person that let them out of the jail, why not go with that potential when the other choice is to come back empty handed?

In the end, it almost worked too. Benicio got them to the Supremacy, he got through the door and then they were caught. Why did they get caught? One of the First Order's droids figured out BB8 was in the trash can running around and alerted security as to what they were doing, lol.

As I said, I totally get that it could have been more interesting if they had adjusted the scenario more. I'm not a huge fan of the casino bit for Finn and Rose either myself but I don't think there's an issue with what they plotted and wrote for the film. It works and makes sense, even if it ends up being worse for the resistance.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
I think it's very clear that Disney/Lucas Films has no idea or vision for the SW franchise like they do with their Marvel movies.


Rogue One is better than both 7 & 8 so I don't blame Disney, it helps that RO could only end with few options. The ST lacks focus and LucasFilm needs George Lucas!
 

mango drank

Member
My immediate impression was that I liked it, but the complaints here raise good points.

My big gripe is that the ending didn't really set up Episode IX at all. There was no attempt at a cliffhanger, no attempt at hinting at what's coming, no tension.

Contrast this to the end of Episode V: Han had been betrayed by one of his best friends, encased in carbonite, and taken by Boba Fett, leaving Luke without his new friend and Leia without her new boyfriend; speaking of Luke, he'd also just learned Vader was his father, and had his hand chopped off--basically had the shit kicked out of him physically and emotionally, setting up what was guaranteed to be a traumatic resolution; Yoda hinted that Leia might be Luke's sister; Lando wanted to redeem himself for his betrayal, and set off in search of Han.

Meanwhile, in Episode VIII: the Rebels' numbers are dwindling, but whatever, everyone's chipper and has a can-do attitude. So there might be a big lightsaber fight or something in Ep IX ... maybe ... I guess.

That's it.
 

cantona222

Member
I thought the movie was going to be anti-cheesiness, and unpredictable when in the first scene Luke threw the lightsaber behind him (Which was funny). However, The scene when Rose saved Finn and did the thingy with kissing, love you, and passing out was max cheesiness level.
 

PudieRSC

Member
So just saw the movie.

First thing...

The Knights of Ren: Luke said that Kylo took 6 other students with him when he destroyed the new Jedi.

So I guess they'll be in the Trilogy.

Nope. Rian said it won't be connected to these guys at all and in a different corner of the universe. Though he said this before the movie came out so I can see the trilogy being about the kids.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Thought the film was just silly and insulting to the Star Wars legacy.
It insulted the fans and the characters and made a good new characters dumb and pointless.
I loved the characters in TFA Rey was a new take of Luke, Poe and Fin was like Han Solo. And Phasma was the new Boba Fett and Kylo was like a young unstable Anakin but this just destroyed them.
And they turn Leia into Super Leia which was just dumb
And Luke WTF.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
At the end of the force awakens I had a lot of questions and couldn’t wait to see what happens next. It made me think and look forward to the future. Now at the end of the last Jedi I just feel like they could end the trilogy right there. For the next movie I expect a Kylo/Rey fight. For me there isn’t much else to care about in the future though. Oh and what will they do with Leia.

My biggest issue with this film is how it seems to completely waste a lot of the talking points from TFA.

After TFA the biggest questions I had were:

Who is Snoke?
How did Ben turn and what happened to Luke's other Jedi?
Who dropped Rey off on Jakku?
Who are the Knights of Ren?

All of the above were either ignored completely in this film or thrown out of the narrative.

I'm not sure if any of the above will ever be answered in episode 9 but I agree that it doesn't seem like they have left themselves much to work with.

Maybe they will have to have a big time jump in the future? A big time jump could allow for Leia to die off screen but that would be a huge anti climax considering she's the only one of the original big three (Luke Leia and Han) now left.
 

SonicSleuth

Member
What movie did you watch, this was ESB sprinkled with bits of ROTJ.

LOL @ "too different". This movie was 100% trying to be ESB and failing spectacularly.

Folks, it's just not a good movie. You don't get to crap all over George Lucas for making bad movies, then pretend this mess is any better. It ain't.

It did make me like Rogue One more, though, because compared to this, it's Best Picture material.
 

Mister Apoc

Demigod of Troll Threads
latest



is she officially worse than Jar Jar?
 

Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
So the 3rd movie is just going to be Rey killing Ren?

Because that will be kinda boring.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Its the right Star Wars movie at the wrong time. If this was ep9 or the start of the RJ trilogy, I would be just fine with it but you don't do this in the midst of the story that was 8 films in the making. "Let the past die" and "this is not going to go the way you think" is the foundation to how this movie was built but it feels "forced", not a natural evolution of the mythos.


To qoute another Jedi, "be mindful of the future but not at the expense of the moment, be mindful of the living force." RJ seems preoccupied with pushing his ideals of Star Wars that he has forsaken the path that got us this here. Even though I felt 7 was too safe it did not betray my expectations of a Star Wars film.


Luke Skywalker is not some punk bitch padawan He looked the Dark side of the force square in the puss and said "Never, I'll never join you. You've failed your highness I AM A JEDI, LIKE MY FATHER BEFORE ME!" That is resolve and grit. I could see other, weaker characters getting all moody and sad but not the Legend of the entire Republic.


The right idea at the wrong time is the wrong idea. Good Action Flick, bad Star Wars Movie.
 

Razorback

Member
I thought the story was going to go to crazy places once Snoke was killed. For a moment I glimpsed what it would be like if Rey actually got turned to the dark side. In episode 9, of course, she would turn back to the light close to the end thanks to Luke and her friends, giving her a strong character arc. Maybe she becomes so powerful and scary that even Kylo Ren would ally with Luke to fight her or help bring her back to the light.

I realize this is similar to Anakin's story, but that was so poorly handled in the prequels that we never really got a good sense for how seductive and corrupting the dark side is.

But that's not what we got, and it's hard to see from here how they'll make episode 9 interesting.

Luke's death was a waste. I don't mind heroic sacrifices, but they have to actually mean something. He didn't bother explaining anyone what his plan was. It wasn't foreshadowed that force telepresence would end up killing him, so at the end we were kind of expecting him to die the same way Obi Wan died, but the twist was that he lives, because he wasn't physically there with Ren. But 5 minutes later he dies anyway... Ok.

You don't pull that kind of stunt with such important characters. People need to understand what is going on with the rules of the world and the motivations of the characters so that we can be on the same page emotionally as the movie when those big moments come.
 

kunonabi

Member
Its the right Star Wars movie at the wrong time. If this was ep9 or the start of the RJ trilogy, I would be just fine with it but you don't do this in the midst of the story that was 8 films in the making. "Let the past die" and "this is not going to go the way you think" is the foundation to how this movie was built but it feels "forced", not a natural evolution of the mythos.


To qoute another Jedi, "be mindful of the future but not at the expense of the moment, be mindful of the living force." RJ seems preoccupied with pushing his ideals of Star Wars that he has forsaken the path that got us this here. Even though I felt 7 was too safe it did not betray my expectations of a Star Wars film.


Luke Skywalker is not some punk bitch padawan He looked the Dark side of the force square in the puss and said "Never, I'll never join you. You've failed your highness I AM A JEDI, LIKE MY FATHER BEFORE ME!" That is resolve and grit. I could see other, weaker characters getting all moody and sad but not the Legend of the entire Republic.


The right idea at the wrong time is the wrong idea. Good Action Flick, bad Star Wars Movie.

I get the sense Johnson was more interested in setting the table for his trilogy than anything else.
 

Moneal

Member
My biggest issue with this film is how it seems to completely waste a lot of the talking points from TFA.

After TFA the biggest questions I had were:

Who is Snoke?
How did Ben turn and what happened to Luke's other Jedi?
Who dropped Rey off on Jakku?
Who are the Knights of Ren?

All of the above were either ignored completely in this film or thrown out of the narrative.

I'm not sure if any of the above will ever be answered in episode 9 but I agree that it doesn't seem like they have left themselves much to work with.

Maybe they will have to have a big time jump in the future? A big time jump could allow for Leia to die off screen but that would be a huge anti climax considering she's the only one of the original big three (Luke Leia and Han) now left.

I don't think they were ignored well except the Knights of Ren.

Snoke kinda hinted at where he came from with his explanation of Rey and her strength in the force. The force is about balance. He said as Ben got stronger in the dark the force would raise his equal. The same could be said of Luke and Snoke. As Luke got stronger in the light Snoke was created to challenge him.

We did learn why and how Ben turned, and how he killed most of the other students. I would have liked to see what happened to the students he took with him, possibly the Knights of Ren?

Rey's parents being nobodies and selling her off for cash makes sense for a middle of nowhere planet like Jakku. I think its better for her to be a nobody. If her parent or parents were someone like Old Ben or even Luke, like some of the rumors suggested, her character would have been a rehash of Luke.
 

antipode

Member
You don't think it's strange and plot convenient that the 'Supremacy' (Snoke's big new flag ship star destroyer) a ship clearly more advanced than any other ship in the movie seems to only be able to do two speeds; hyperspace and the exact same pace as the resistance ship? Kinda weird that they couldn't increase their speed even a little to close the distance without needing to even go into hyperspace.

A tense chase can be enjoyable, but having contrived variables to make it happen breaks it down.

Literally the first visual in the very first movie of this series - from decades ago - is a giant ship trying to chase a smaller ship it is shooting at with lasers.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
I don't think they were ignored well except the Knights of Ren.

Snoke kinda hinted at where he came from with his explanation of Rey and her strength in the force. The force is about balance. He said as Ben got stronger in the dark the force would raise his equal. The same could be said of Luke and Snoke. As Luke got stronger in the light Snoke was created to challenge him.

We did learn why and how Ben turned, and how he killed most of the other students. I would have liked to see what happened to the students he took with him, possibly the Knights of Ren?

Rey's parents being nobodies and selling her off for cash makes sense for a middle of nowhere planet like Jakku. I think its better for her to be a nobody. If her parent or parents were someone like Old Ben or even Luke, like some of the rumors suggested, her character would have been a rehash of Luke.

I understand that. My problem was that they pretty much closed all of these interesting narrative strands and mysteries in the most unsatisfying and rushed way possible leaving them with, what seems like very little material for episode 9.

Since JJ is doing the next one maybe he will go back to some of these ideas and explore them a little further on screen. Flesh them out and give the world more depth. I feel like maybe I am judging the narrative a little early because we obviously don't know what the final chapter of the story holds.

Ultimately all I can say about TLJ is that it wasn't successful in exciting me for the next chapter in this Star Wars story. Maybe I'll look back on the film differently in a few years once I've had a chance to watch the whole trilogy but for now TLJ stands as a pretty unsatisfying entry in the franchise which fails to drum up excitement for future installments.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Just watched angry joes top 27 reasons TLJ pisses me off
And I agree on all 27 reasons.
I can't believe it's been 3 days and it's still ticking me off.
I just can't believe what I watched.
 
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