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XSEED announces Ys I & II Chronicles+ for Steam (Details)

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Eusis

Member
wyrdwad said:
"Censored"? I assume you mean the 3D models, right? Because as far as I'm aware, there was no content censorship in Ys VI...

-Tom
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I think they cut out most of the blood and enemies blowing up into pieces on PS2, just the bloodstains were left I think. Giving the ratings Oath ended up getting on PSP that seemed kind of pointless in the end but they probably didn't really want to animate that in 3D anyway.

That, and it really is out of place with the rest of the game, as much as I enjoy it for that reason specifically. Almost like they went with chibi Quake violence in your typical kid friendly JRPG adventure.
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
Eusis said:
I think they cut out most of the blood and enemies blowing up into pieces on PS2, just the bloodstains were left I think. Giving the ratings Oath ended up getting on PSP that seemed kind of pointless in the end but they probably didn't really want to animate that in 3D anyway.

That, and it really is out of place with the rest of the game, as much as I enjoy it for that reason specifically. Almost like they went with chibi Quake violence in your typical kid friendly JRPG adventure.
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Oh yeah! I didn't even think of that.

Interesting note: Falcom themselves censored Oath in Felghana for its PSP release, removing virtually all of the blood... but Ys I & II Chronicles? Just as gruesome as ever! ;)

-Tom
 
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Eusis

Member
wyrdwad said:
Oh yeah! I didn't even think of that.

Interesting note: Falcom themselves censored Oath in Felghana for its PSP release, removing virtually all of the blood... but Ys I & II Chronicles? Just as gruesome as ever! ;)

-Tom
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I swear I saw it, but it was probably covered up by an exaggerated flash. At the least body pieces flew all over the place. But maybe I saw blood stains + flying body parts and thought it must not have been cut down at all.

Though with that resolution I'm not sure it really mattered.
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
Eusis said:
I swear I saw it, but it was probably covered up by an exaggerated flash. At the least body pieces flew all over the place. But maybe I saw blood stains + flying body parts and thought it must not have been cut down at all.

Though with that resolution I'm not sure it really mattered.
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Yeah, the big thing that got removed were the puddles of blood left behind after killing enemies. Those are totally and completely gone from the PSP version.

...Meanwhile, in the PC titles, they just got more and more graphic. I love how in Ys Origin, if you have the blood turned all the way up, you can actually run through puddles of blood and leave little bloody footprints on your next few steps. Soooooo needlessly graphic... ;)

-Tom
 
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PixyJunket

Member
Hey, Tom (and/or Sara), I just noticed that Ys Origin on Steam does not have global achievement stats or a leaderboards tab!

For everyone else, here are some interesting Oath in Felghana Steam stats:

Only 165 entries on Nightmare Story Mode, 67 on Inferno.
Only 35 entries on Nightmare Boss Rush! I'm #32 (cry).

"That's the Last Time, Kid" achievement has 0% acquire rate; bug? Mine is recording normally (5/6 right now).
 
LiquidMetal14

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Volcynika said:
You must have not noticed that the game releases on Valentine's Day.
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I did not. I was on the store page and missed that all together.

In my defense, I've been working on and tweaking my new x79 3930k based PC for 2 days.

The good news is I should be able to get back to gaming today as I expect the 2 670's to arrive which will complete the build.
 
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PixyJunket

Member
Volcynika said:
Everyone collectively shake your fist at duckroll!
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Hey, I noticed in the OiF OT you got all the achievements!

Am I correct in thinking that Nightmare Boss Rush would be more of challenge than Inferno Story Mode?

I just need some solace in the thought of fighting Istersia AGAIN, but even worse.
 
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ArjanN

Member
PixyJunket said:
Hey, I noticed in the OiF OT you got all the achievements!

Am I correct in thinking that Nightmare Boss Rush would be more of challenge than Inferno Story Mode?

I just need some solace in the thought of fighting Istersia AGAIN, but even worse.
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Yeah, because you can't overlevel in Boss Rush mode.
 
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Volcynika

Member
PixyJunket said:
Hey, I noticed in the OiF OT you got all the achievements!

Am I correct in thinking that Nightmare Boss Rush would be more of challenge than Inferno Story Mode?

I just need some solace in the thought of fighting Istersia AGAIN, but even worse.
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Yeah a bit. Long time since I did it, but it took me a couple hours to get through Nightmare Boss Rush at least.
 
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Out_Of_Ammo

Member
Anyone know where I can buy Ys ark of Napishtim for PC? I understand there's an english patch available and it's the only Ys game I haven't played yet. I'd rather have it on steam but who knows when/if that will happen :p

Edit: and does it have widescreen support?
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
No, none of the Japanese PC Ys games except Chronicles technically support non-stretched widescreen. The widescreen functionality for Felghana and Origin was done entirely by Sara.

-Tom
 
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Decado

Member
wyrdwad said:
Oh yeah! I didn't even think of that.

Interesting note: Falcom themselves censored Oath in Felghana for its PSP release, removing virtually all of the blood... but Ys I & II Chronicles? Just as gruesome as ever! ;)

-Tom
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Is the Oath in Felghana PC release uncensored? I bought it assuming it was :(
 
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Out_Of_Ammo

Member
wyrdwad said:
No, none of the Japanese PC Ys games except Chronicles technically support non-stretched widescreen. The widescreen functionality for Felghana and Origin was done entirely by Sara.

-Tom
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Yeah thought so :( Really great of you guys to implement that feature!
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
Decado said:
Is the Oath in Felghana PC release uncensored? I bought it assuming it was :(
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Why would it be censored? We've never censored any of our games in publishing, and since the PC version of Oath in Felghana is the original, it certainly wasn't censored by Falcom either.

You may have to go into the config program and move the blood slider all the way up -- I don't recall if it defaults to max or not -- but yeah, no censorship whatsoever, fear not!

-Tom
 
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Het_Nkik

Member
Out_Of_Ammo said:
Anyone know where I can buy Ys ark of Napishtim for PC? I understand there's an english patch available and it's the only Ys game I haven't played yet. I'd rather have it on steam but who knows when/if that will happen :p

Edit: and does it have widescreen support?
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For older Japanese games I usually use auctions.yahoo.co.jp

Just throw this in the search bar: イースVI -ナピシュテムの匣-

Looks like you can get it for as little as 500 yen, which is pretty crazy cheap.

You'll have to use a deputy service if you're outside Japan, though, in order to bid. Basically a service where they bid for you and get the game shipped to them, then they ship it to you. All that incurs additional fees but with the low base price of the game you should still be able to get it for cheap overall.

Just Google something like "Yahoo Auctions deputy service" and see if you can find one you like.
 
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Isaccard

Member
I just stated playing Origins a few hours ago and man is it a blast. If this is anything like what I'm enjoying right now, consider it purchased.
 
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Levyne

Banned
So if I buy and play this, and have played the other two Ys games on steam, I will have effectively played 1, 2, "0". and....3? Which one is Oath?
 
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VandalD

Member
They made a Ys fan out of me when Felghana came to Steam, so I'm all over this. Also appreciate knowing that they're not "just" translating text. Kinda iffy on the bump combat, but I'm still sold on this.
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
Isaccard said:
I just stated playing Origins a few hours ago and man is it a blast. If this is anything like what I'm enjoying right now, consider it purchased.
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It's... actually a lot different. Virtually every Ys game is -- it's a series that's constantly changing and evolving.

Expect something a lot more old-school from Ys I & II (but just as fast-paced), and you won't be disappointed. But go into it expecting it to be another Ys Origin, and you might find yourself... very confused, at the very least. ;)

-Tom
 
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Negator

Member
Just waiting for it to unlock.

Looking forward to just how big a leap it is from the NES version that I played way back.
 
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dhlt25

Member
so I've bought all the Ys games on steam and haven't play any of them due to my crazy amount of pc back logs. What order do you guys recommend me to play them?
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
dhlt25 said:
so I've bought all the Ys games on steam and haven't play any of them due to my crazy amount of pc back logs. What order do you guys recommend me to play them?
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Going solely by the Steam releases?

I'd say start with Felghana to get a feel for what the series has become while still experiencing a taste of what it used to be. Beware, though, as Felghana is easily one of the hardest games in the series, if not THE hardest... so go into it well-prepared! ;)

After Felghana, I'd personally recommend I & II, then Origin, since those titles are linked together in a more direct manner, and players are typically supposed to go into Ys Origin with prior knowledge of Ys I & II.

However, if Ys I & II proves to be too old-school for your liking, or if you find yourself longing for Felghana-style combat with a bit more story, Ys Origin is perfectly acceptable to play before Ys I & II -- you'll just find yourself experiencing things for the first time in Ys Origin, then being pleasantly surprised when those same elements resurface in Ys I & II, rather than experiencing things for the first time in Ys I & II and being pleasantly surprised when they resurface in Ys Origin. ;)

So, short answer:

- Felghana is a great indication of what the Ys series is all about, but it's HARD, so beware!
- Ys I & II is really old-school, but is a great game to experience once you've already developed an attachment to the series through other games.
- Ys Origin is like a story-heavy yet more dungeon-centric take on Felghana that serves as an excellent companion piece to Ys I & II plot-wise.

-Tom
 
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chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
dhlt25 said:
so I've bought all the Ys games on steam and haven't play any of them due to my crazy amount of pc back logs. What order do you guys recommend me to play them?
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To be honest, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them as long as you play 1 & 2 in order. Some won't reccomend those as first Ys games, but I think you will get more out of them if you play them before Origin.

All three Steam games are fairly different. 1 & 2 use the bump combat and show their age a bit. There is a lot of exploring and kind of being left to figure things out on your own as you would expect from an 80s game.

Origin and Oath play similarly with fast hack and slash combat, but are totally different in structure. Oath has a world map and various dungeons, some backtracking and returning to town. Origin is back to back dungeons featuring different characters that all play differently with their own take on the story.

So really it just depends on what appeals to you.

edit: What Wyrdwad said. That's basically what I had in mind but didn't get into since I'm on my phone.
 
Wonko_C

Wonko_C

Member
So Tom, before I take the plunge: (I read everything on this topic but I haven't seen this answered) Does this version of Chronicles run at 60fps? You also mentioned the window can be resized but what about fullscreen? does it support widescreen without the borders? The images on Steam are all stretched and still have the pretty borders, fine for good for 4:3 monitors, we 16:9 people won't end up playing on a small rectangle with black borders all around the screen, right? ;)
 
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chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
Wonko_C said:
So Tom, before I take the plunge: (I read everything on this topic but I haven't seen this answered) Does this version of Chronicles run at 60fps? You also mentioned the window can be resized but what about fullscreen? does it support widescreen without the borders? The images on Steam are all stretched and still have the pretty borders, fine for good for 4:3 monitors, we 16:9 people won't end up playing on a small rectangle with black borders all around the screen, right? ;)
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Looks like it should support native 16:9 in Chronicles mode (borderless). The border is only 4:3 so it will be stretched or require black bars.

The problem with Chronicles mode is that it also has a smaller total viewing area, not just the removed border. Kind of zoomed in.
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
Wonko_C said:
So Tom, before I take the plunge: (I read everything on this topic but I haven't seen this answered) Does this version of Chronicles run at 60fps? You also mentioned the window can be resized but what about fullscreen? does it support widescreen without the borders? The images on Steam are all stretched and still have the pretty borders, fine for good for 4:3 monitors, we 16:9 people won't end up playing on a small rectangle with black borders all around the screen, right? ;)
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Sara will need to confirm the 60fps thing for sure, but I'm... about 90% certain it does.

As for 16:9, as Chaosblade noted, it'll run full-screen in 16:9 resolution without borders or stretching if you play in Chronicles mode, but that does zoom in the viewing area a bit. Sara's working on potentially zooming that back out in a future patch, but as of launch, it'll be either play with black pillars on the sides, a greater viewing area and pretty borders, or play zoomed in.

And to my knowledge, 16:10 resolution will *not* be natively supported. You'll most likely wind up with slight letterboxing. Whether or not that will also be added in a future patch, I'm not sure -- but I'll certainly look into it!

-Tom
 
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demidar

Member
wyrdwad said:
Sara will need to confirm the 60fps thing for sure, but I'm... about 90% certain it does.

As for 16:9, as Chaosblade noted, it'll run full-screen in 16:9 resolution without borders or stretching if you play in Chronicles mode, but that does zoom in the viewing area a bit. Sara's working on potentially zooming that back out in a future patch, but as of launch, it'll be either play with black pillars on the sides, a greater viewing area and pretty borders, or play zoomed in.

And to my knowledge, 16:10 resolution will *not* be natively supported. You'll most likely wind up with slight letterboxing. Whether or not that will also be added in a future patch, I'm not sure -- but I'll certainly look into it!

-Tom
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If worse comes to worse I think I can stand just running it windowed in a 16:9 or 4:3.
 
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Sara

Member
Mm, how to explain...

First of all, yes, it should be running at 60fps. If you notice anything that indicates otherwise or any slowdown at release please tell me and I'll look into it as best I can.

As for the display stuff, let's see...

By default, the games are set up to maintain the aspect ratio. In fullscreen this means that it will automatically create black bars as necessary to fit the aspect ratio at that resolution. Automatic letterboxing or pillarboxing. Chronicles mode is not quite 16:9, so even with that you'll get some VERY slight pillarboxing, since PSPs are also not quite 16:9 and that's of course what Chronicles mode was based on.

In windowed mode, it means that it will a window of the nearest correct-aspect size compare to what you have specified, and when you resize the window manually, it will resize both ways to make sure the aspect ratio is still maintained.

If you want the games stretched out to meet the specified resolutions instead, you can untick the aspect ratio option and it will do exactly that. This will disable all automatic letterboxing/pillarboxing, and will disable all windowed aspect ratio correction.

There is no truly native 16:9 or 16:10 mode at current, but I'm planning to look into it post-release. The thing is, due to how the games work internally, I absolutely can't make any promises this time. I am looking at my options because I'd really like to have an adaptable widescreen mode like what Oath and Origin have.

Personally I think it's just fine using letterboxing/pillarboxing for whatever screen mode you'd like to use in fullscreen, but stretching is there if you think that'll suit you better. The two different screen modes (Complete which is 4:3 and Chronicles which is at least VERY CLOSE to 16:9) will at least give you more options for less boxing or stretching on different aspect ratios.

In summary... you'll only truly be playing on a rectangle in the middle if you use Complete mode and maintain the aspect instead of stretching. I'd suggest using Chronicles mode for 16:9 if you want to almost fill the screen without stretching.
 
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Het_Nkik

Member
Thanks for the info, Sara. Sounds like you're giving us every feasible option with what's available and it's much appreciated. And if you DO somehow manage to get the game to display in other aspect ratios natively, well, you'll somehow be more awesome than you already are.
 
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chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
PSP was literally 2 lines of resolution off of being 16:9. 480x272. So the bars should be pretty much negligible.

I have no idea how it was adapted for PC and what resolution it runs at by default, but I'd imagine cutting that little bit off wouldn't hurt? Then again you're already looking at a reduced viewing area so cutting even more off, even if it's hardly anything, isn't really ideal.
 
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Nillansan

Member
Just pre-ordered this, can't wait to dive into this series.

I hope that this does well. We need more Japanese games on Steam.
 
Wonko_C

Wonko_C

Member
Thanks, Sara & Tom. I'll be mostly playing Chronicles mode then. I don't mind the reduced play area since I own the PSP version and that's the only version of Ys I & II I've ever played. 60fps is awesome news too as Chronicles PSP ran at 30. And having an option to keep the original aspect ratio even if it means slight pillarboxing is a good move, I like my pixels non-stretched. :)

EDIT: 480x272 4 times is 1920x1088. Does that mean there won't be perfect pixel scaling at 1080p? Well I guess I'll wait till it's in my hands and see. (yeah I nitpick obsessively on stuff like that, LOL.)
 
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Sara

Member
chaosblade said:
PSP was literally 2 lines of resolution off of being 16:9. 480x272. So the bars should be pretty much negligible.

I have no idea how it was adapted for PC and what resolution it runs at by default, but I'd imagine cutting that little bit off wouldn't hurt? Then again you're already looking at a reduced viewing area so cutting even more off, even if it's hardly anything, isn't really ideal.
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You know what? I do think I can at least add this.
It'll be a post-launch feature but it shouldn't be a problem.
Two lines isn't a big deal for those who really want perfect aspect I think.
 
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Eusis

Member
I got irrationally (for more reasons than one) excited when I saw Ys was updating in Steam. then I realized it was Oath in Felghana.

... Now I want to know why Oath in Felghana downloaded a 178.6 MB file.
 
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