Nice bit of self-flattery there OP. Who doesn't think they call it like they see it?
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Nice bit of self-flattery there OP. Who doesn't think they call it like they see it?
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
Plenty of liberals didn't like what Obama did with drones, for example, but they voted for him anyway because he was much better than the opposition on most other issues.
Not every Trump voter is racist, or even okay with racism. You guys have got to get this through your heads or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
I know plenty of rich people who are not at all racist, hate what Trump says and does on immigration and racial issues, but made the decision to vote for him because they wanted to kill the estate tax, or other economic issues. And they didn't believe Trump would follow through on what he said he was going to.
That makes them idiots, yes, but they aren't all racist.
We're hispanic.
As far as my family is concerned I would say the worst thing they're guilty of is "didn't do the research."
It's kind of hard to teach an 80 year old to read between the lines, as it were.
Voting for trump at minimum means you are ok with racism, homophobia, misogyny and being willfully ignorant. They might be your friends and family, but lets call a spade a spade
💯Voting for trump at minimum means you are ok with racism, homophobia, misogyny and being willfully ignorant. They might be your friends and family, but lets call a spade a spade
Except Obama didn't campaign that he would drone the fuck of other countries, hence the criticism is warranted.
Trump explicitly campaigned on racism, sexism, anti-science, and bigotry.
I always forget that Obama's slogan in 2012 was, 'I'm going to drone bomb the fuck out of the middle east.'
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
Plenty of liberals didn't like what Obama did with drones, for example, but they voted for him anyway because he was much better than the opposition on most other issues.
Not every Trump voter is racist, or even okay with racism. You guys have got to get this through your heads or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
I know plenty of rich people who are not at all racist, hate what Trump says and does on immigration and racial issues, but made the decision to vote for him because they wanted to kill the estate tax, or other economic issues. And they didn't believe Trump would follow through on what he said he was going to.
That makes them idiots, yes, but they aren't all racist.
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
Plenty of liberals didn't like what Obama did with drones, for example, but they voted for him anyway because he was much better than the opposition on most other issues.
Not every Trump voter is racist, or even okay with racism. You guys have got to get this through your heads or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
I know plenty of rich people who are not at all racist, hate what Trump says and does on immigration and racial issues, but made the decision to vote for him because they wanted to kill the estate tax, or other economic issues. And they didn't believe Trump would follow through on what he said he was going to.
That makes them idiots, yes, but they aren't all racist.
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?.
It indeed was not. You could, in fact, argue that it was even worse though. Because by reelection Obama was already under criticism for actually using drones in ways many considered immoral. Not just saying he would do so.
So if you voted for him then, were you saying you were okay with that, and every single other thing that Obama did? Or were you voting for any number of different reasons?
Most people are single-issue voters. For a lot rich people, that single issue is money. If Trump says he's gonna save them money, they'll get his vote. And a lot of those people justified that vote by saying "He didn't mean all that shit he said, that was just campaign talk."
They were wrong, and they were absolutely stupid to justify it that way in the first place. But they aren't racist. If they continue to support him, or vote for him again? That's the real measure.
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
It's not like Trump showed any signs of not being a giant interventionist.
He showed a ton of signs, by criticizing every intervention Obama ever took. And he ran on "America first."
The only time his base has ever backlashed on him was when he intervened in Syria. His base counted on him to be less hawkish than Hillary. So this is a really shit point.
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
Plenty of liberals didn't like what Obama did with drones, for example, but they voted for him anyway because he was much better than the opposition on most other issues.
Not every Trump voter is racist, or even okay with racism. You guys have got to get this through your heads or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
I know plenty of rich people who are not at all racist, hate what Trump says and does on immigration and racial issues, but made the decision to vote for him because they wanted to kill the estate tax, or other economic issues. And they didn't believe Trump would follow through on what he said he was going to.
That makes them idiots, yes, but they aren't all racist.
"Latinos for trump" was a thing. And as far as I care, they were racist, nazi supporting scum.
Being a Nazi or supporting one especially with literally all the fucking shit he has said and done, ends up being the same. You're a irredemable piece of shit either way. I don't give a shit if someone isn't a literal neo nazi with swastikas at home and lynching minorities on weekends: if you voted for Trump that's the shit you aprove off and let it slide, you're still scum as the the worst of them.So first thing's first: I didn't vote for you-know-who, but I also like to think I keep a purely neutral outlook on political arguments. I have enough things in my life to make me miserable as it is, and instead like to adopt a "call's it like I see's it" approach to politics (and as I currently sees it, he's not exactly off to a great start).
But even though I didn't vote for Trump, I do know people who did, many of them being my close friends and family. Last time I checked, none of them were closet Nazis. My grandmother is in her mid 80's, and has been every bit the model kind-hearted granny you tend to see in storybooks and movies.
But if social media was to be believed, I should be posting a video where I denounce her as a piece of shit Nazi who should burn in hell like the scum she was. I'm seeing a constant generalization of Trump voters and supporters that pit them as pure evil and beyond redemption.
And before you say "Well of course they don't LITERALLY mean EVERY person who was pro-Trump", but I've seen more than enough comments where people double-down and insist "No, we REALLY do mean EVERY one of them. Without exception." And I'm not just talking about hardcore unhinged people...I'm seeing this sentiment stem from people who I previously thought were educated and level-headed (not to mention not the type to crave violence).
Unless I'm missing a silent joke shared with the people who spout this, I find this sentiment both disturbing and childish. I also can't possibly be the only who notices the irony of labeling an entire subset of people under one stereotype (while also yearning for their literal demise).
Like I said, I call's it like I see's it. There are absolutely abhorrent, racist people out there, and the ones displayed for social media to ridicule do seem to fall under the category of Trump-lover.
But again, I'm pretty sure my family and friends aren't like that, grandma included. Did they make their choices out of ignorance? Probably. Did their choices help give us an unqualified leader who can potentially set our country back by decades? Sure looks that way? Are they evil scum who should be grouped together and thrown into their own metaphorical (and for some, literal) human-sized ovens?
That's...probably a bit much.
You're stretching the false equivalency way too thin. It's not remotely the same thing, and I think you realize, but you just want to mud up a not so muddy issues with 'both sides' rhetoric.
They may not all be Nazi deplorable scum, but they're okay with Nazi deplorable scum.
He showed a ton of signs, by criticizing every intervention Obama ever took. And he ran on "America first."
The only time his base has ever backlashed on him was when he intervened in Syria. His base counted on him to be less hawkish than Hillary. So this is a really shit point.
It doesn't have to be the exact same thing to be a point worth considering. It is obviously not the same thing.
But you're making the same argument, that nobody could possibly have voted for Trump without being okay with every single thing he said. It's so fucking shortsighted to say that.
Some of you need to actually talk to some center-right Trump voters or previous Obama voters and actually listen to why they voted for him. You'll learn something.
I fucking hate Trump, but you're deluding yourselves by turning this into a "45% of the country are Nazis!" situation in your minds. It is so obviously not true that it boggles the mind that you could even believe that. And you will lose again if you continue to think about it that way.
Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
Plenty of liberals didn't like what Obama did with drones, for example, but they voted for him anyway because he was much better than the opposition on most other issues.
Not every Trump voter is racist, or even okay with racism. You guys have got to get this through your heads or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
I know plenty of rich people who are not at all racist, hate what Trump says and does on immigration and racial issues, but made the decision to vote for him because they wanted to kill the estate tax, or other economic issues. And they didn't believe Trump would follow through on what he said he was going to.
That makes them idiots, yes, but they aren't all racist.
But you're making the same argument, that nobody could possibly have voted for Trump without being okay with every single thing he said. It's so fucking shortsighted to say that.
Me voting for Obama meant that I put my support to his platform and power. Even though I didn't like his drone policies, I still gave him my vote twice to do it anyway. Thus, that is indeed partly my responsibility.
Votes are not piecemeal orders. They're not individualized instructions from every single citizen that distributes blame more accurately. "Do this, but don't do this."
A vote in this here American system in the Year of our Lord 2017 in practice means that you are electing a person to try enact their platform in its entirety regardless of how much you agree with it, and thus, when the shit hits the fan, it is perfectly fair to go to the voting populous responsible and ask "Why didn't you prioritize these things more highly?"
Because the fact is Obama would've never gotten the ability to drone other countries in the first place if the people- including me- hadn't voted for him. A person who was directly affected by this has every right in the world to take me to task, especially for voting for him a second time.
Subsequently, Trump voters are partly responsible for every racist fucking appeal, executive order, and attempted law that falls out of the administration's mouth and ink pens.
Because they voted for it.
All we want from Trump voters is recognize this instead of cowering away every time this subject comes up. Freedom of speech ain't freedom of consequence; you don't get the right to effect the quality of life of me, my family, and my friends for the worse and not get some clap back.
We're hispanic.
As far as my family is concerned I would say the worst thing they're guilty of is "didn't do the research."
It's kind of hard to teach an 80 year old to read between the lines, as it were.
Voting for someone who hires open Nazis doesn't make you one. But it surely makes you look like you don't care enough to stop them.
Yeah, the racism is very subtle and between the lines.
So if you voted for him then, were you saying you were okay with that, and every single other thing that Obama did? Or were you voting for any number of different reasons?
Stupid false equivalency since Trump never campaigned on actual policies, just racist garbage all over the place. If you're willing to accept all that fucking garbage over two or three vaguely mentioned policies that are not even realistic, then yes, you are scum. You are trading the human rights of other peoples for a promise of unicorns and pies in the sky.Did supporting Obama mean you implicitly supported every single one of his viewpoints and actions?
Plenty of liberals didn't like what Obama did with drones, for example, but they voted for him anyway because he was much better than the opposition on most other issues.
Not every Trump voter is racist, or even okay with racism. You guys have got to get this through your heads or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
I know plenty of rich people who are not at all racist, hate what Trump says and does on immigration and racial issues, but made the decision to vote for him because they wanted to kill the estate tax, or other economic issues. And they didn't believe Trump would follow through on what he said he was going to.
That makes them idiots, yes, but they aren't all racist.
You need to "read between the lines" when Trump has literally directly said that "Mexicans are murderers and rapists"? Like the motherfucker could not be more direct.We're hispanic.
As far as my family is concerned I would say the worst thing they're guilty of is "didn't do the research."
It's kind of hard to teach an 80 year old to read between the lines, as it were.
This bullest of bullshit. He was talking about using nukes and reminiscing about how America used to win wars and how we should go back to winning wars.
Sorry but the real world does not work that way this was said before, during , and continues to be said after the election Once you support a candidate then you take ownership of all their policies, not just the ones you like. No one put gun to their head and made them vote for Trump they did that of their own free will. You personally have got to get this through your head or you'll just continue doing your own understanding of the situation a disservice.
We shouldn't generalize but with a party that has promoted racism and exclusivity, it's easy to label them into the following:
1. Rich people who dislike taxes
2. Christian or Catholic
3. Diet Racists
4. Racists
Find me a republican who doesn't fit any of those four categories.
It doesn't have to be the exact same thing to be a point worth considering. It is obviously not the same thing.
But you're making the same argument, that nobody could possibly have voted for Trump without being okay with every single thing he said. It's so fucking shortsighted to say that.
Some of you need to actually talk to some center-right Trump voters or previous Obama voters and actually listen to why they voted for him. You'll learn something.
I fucking hate Trump, but you're deluding yourselves by turning this into a "45% of the country are Nazis!" situation in your minds. It is so obviously not true that it boggles the mind that you could even believe that. And you will lose again if you continue to think about it that way.
And you will lose again if you continue to think about it that way.
There's a pretty important difference though. Obama didn't run his platform on using drone attacks. Trump ran his campaign on every single ugly thing we know of now. You aren't expected to be able to divine the future.