digoutyoursoul
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Don't take this the wrong way but I remember her posts about Projecf Cafe before it was announced as Wii U. Can't think of one thing she got right.
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Emily Rogers: Good E3 for Wii U, owning both Wii U and 3DS beneficial in the future.
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Don't take this the wrong way but I remember her posts about Projecf Cafe before it was announced as Wii U. Can't think of one thing she got right.
All outside. Nintendo branches are really just marketing teams.
I could send you a friend request if you'd like. My Wii U Mii is so kawaii *_*
(I own the system, its disappointing outside the pad, I have every right to criticize after I paid $350 for the damn system)
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well I guess I am an idiot for believing.
Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.
But Alberto, surely Emily expects we will understand when the rumors are untrue.
There are both huge Sony and Nintendo fan-bases on GAF.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.
I can't tell anymore to be honest
Mysterious
Banned
I would like to apologize for subtweeting Alberto and please understand that I thought my insiders had accurate information.
Good point
It is also the nature of a huge event like E3, even if you claim to know that Metroid 3: Samus Resurrection is coming this E3 for sure, and it does not happen. The media and industry will be too caught up with whatever is actually announced and you will rarely be called out for it. Nobody is going to care that you clearly had no clue, or that you simply guessed and guessed wrong because there are bigger things to talk about
(Though obviously ShockingAlberto did bring some of things she was wrong about back that people droned out at various E3's and other events that happened.)
Its also easy to cover yourself, if nothing is announced but games, she can just claim "owning the 3DS and Wii U is beneficial because they will have great Nintendo games in the future!" technically making her prediction right.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
She definitely has more information than you as you said Nintendo wouldn't show anything big at this E3 as that is what Directs are for
BlockheadBrown
Member
Wait. What are you basing this off of?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well like I said, she didnt say anything specifically so Im not sure why people are getting mad for.
KojiKnight
Member
She definitely has more information than you as you said Nintendo wouldn't show anything big at this E3 as that is what Directs are for
Has E3 happened yet? Nope. I'd still bet we'll see more from Nintendo in the weeks leading up to or the weeks after E3 than at E3 itself.
If they were smart, they wouldn't either. Nintendo is not going to able to compete for attention with PS4 and Durango being unveiled and there games shown.
DanteGhost
Member
I know but in the Media create sale or the monthly NPD's threads you see how the nintendo fans ridicule the Vita. This coming from a huge 3DS supporter.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I don't think anyone is getting outright mad at her, ShockingAlberto just posted many of the times she was proven wrong and are not willing to take her word on her predictions (as her past has shown to be unreliable)
She is sorta getting similar reaction to Pachter's predictions, on a smaller scale as she is not as wildly known as he is.
KojiKnight
Member
I'd say it's more pent up rage/frustration/vindication after the hell Sony fanboys put Nintendo through the first year of the 3DS. Those threads were pretty evenly spread when the Vita first came out... now most Vita defense force avoid those threads because they don't have a leg to stand on.
Anyways, it's just gaf being gaf. Certain threads bring out the fanboys/trolls. If you don't like those conversations, you learn to avoid them.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Rogers has named her sources for me and I absolutely give her credit for that. I am obviously not going to repeat them but I recognize who they are and am keeping a notepad of the rumors and the sources to sit on.
We'll see if they pan out. I am not going to say I believe her but she has stepped forward and given me information she has not needed to give me if this were totally made up (though something being made up is not the only way a rumor can be inaccurate).
I'll withhold any future mocking until after E3, where I'll either apologize for this one or we'll do this dance again next year.
We'll see if they pan out. I am not going to say I believe her but she has stepped forward and given me information she has not needed to give me if this were totally made up (though something being made up is not the only way a rumor can be inaccurate).
I'll withhold any future mocking until after E3, where I'll either apologize for this one or we'll do this dance again next year.
Zoramon089
Banned
It's hard to take anything you say seriously after the implication that the Vita has better tech than the Wii U
Interesting...
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I have no problem with that. I fully acknowledge when she was wrong. I understand that. People always look at one side he posted all the time she was wrong but fail to show when she was right. I mean blah blah broken clock..
and yea somebody sounds mad.
It's a dream, not the dream.
BlockheadBrown
Member
Impeccable
Member
Is this Nintendo's attempt at putting coal into the hype train?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
She does have sources but Iwata's biggest source of heartache is her article and I will never forgive her for that.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
KojiKnight
Member
E3 isn't for the public, it's for the journalists. It's always been for journalists. It's become some sort of convention (some years worse than others).
There is a reason why E3 restructured a few years ago (and then promptly went back to how it was)
That said, Nintendo already showed last year what they think of e3... They announced all of the important Wii U stuff BEFORE E3, then they announced the majority of their 3DS titles and Wonderful 100 AFTER the main E3 press conference.
The majority of their press conference last year was on expanded media and things like Wii Fit U. I could easily see Nintendo going that route again only more extreme, pushing those announcements even further from their main conference to get additional media attention.
No? Anne Frank, she was deaf dumb and blind.
It would be better than their last 2 years (combined), but this year they're going up against 2 new consoles. One game isn't enough.
If you mean attention at the Nintendo booth, I disagree with that. They will probably have some fun unique gameplay mechanics and event though graphics wont be as good as the others, we all know the next 3d Mario / Retro game will have beatifull graphics.
what a twist
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, they are going to show Mario 3D and Mario Kart, along with Yarn Yoshi, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, etc.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
My point(though it's so dam obvious) is that more people watch E3 than Nintendo Directs.
There are playable games there and impressions.
It's not hard to understand how E3 reaches more people than a specialized Nintendo Direct(which often appears at the screwiest of times).
peanutbutterlatte
Member
What thread are you reading? Most of the posters (Nintendo fans or otherwise) are questioning this, especially considering the source of the rumor.
I don't honestly think it's nearly as bad as the ridicule of the Wii U. But at the same time I think that's largely backlash. Either way you, nor anyone else, should care what someone's opinion of a console is. If you own and enjoy it, whatever, enjoy it and don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. Sales threads are going to be full of that kind of stuff.
If you want other people to share your love for the console go into the Vita OT or a Wii U game OT (though the Vita OT has been a little rough lately.)
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Going to be interesting if the Namco developed Smash Bros turns out to be the "Other M" of the franchise.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Our last discussion about Emily Rogers' credibility:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47317085&postcount=108
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47319625&postcount=167
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47320005&postcount=179
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47320355&postcount=185
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47321044&postcount=202
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47321303&postcount=206
As I argue in those posts, I think that through her efforts as a fan journalist, she has cultivated actual relationships with actual people in the industry. Clearly especially with Indie developers in North America who are interested in working with Nintendo.
But she has also proven time and time again that at best, assuming she hasn't taken wild guesses or made anything up, that she shows poor judgment in contextualizing information she is given, reporting things with the appropriate amount of caution, or otherwise using a filter on the information she has. I think she's also not shown the appropriate amount of humility in contextualizing why she was wrong, or admitting personal culpability in being wrong.
In that past announcement linked in those posts above, we have things like her claiming that Soul Calibur was being released on Wii U. Here are some possibilities: 1) She lied. 2) She was lied to and fell for it. 3) She was told the truth but the game never got completed or released so she spilled the beans early and without proper assurances that it was a real thing. 4) She was told something more general ("we're working at releasing one of our fighting games") and incorrectly concluded specifics about which game it was. There is no follow-up apology that gives us the context to know which is true.
She said Metroid 3DS was in development. Possibilities: 1) She lied. 2) She was lied to and fell for it. 3) She was told the truth but the gam never got completed or released so she spilled the beans early and without proper assurances that it was a real thing. 4) The game was being pitched by a developer but the pitch was never accepted by Nintendo and she exaggerated how far along it was. 5) She was told something more general--that there was a Metroid project being worked on--that turned out to be Metroid 3D Classic--and she incorrectly summarized it as "Metroid 3DS" AND it never got made in the end. There is no follow-up apology that gives us the context to know which is true.
In this industry, many things that are pitched are never accepted, many accepted things never go into full development, many things in development never get released, many things that get released get delayed. Reporting that doesn't take this into account--for example, reporting that changes a 3rd party mocking up a tech demo of Halo DS to pitch to Microsoft into "Halo DS is being developed"--shows a lack of professionalism and discretion on the part of the journalist.
That being said, those tweets are pretty harmless. Here's my take on those tweets. Someone who is working on eShop stuff for Nintendo, probably an independent developer, got updated documentation from Nintendo about a new feature. This person told her. Maybe he told her specifically something to look forward to, or maybe he told her what she's telling the public--just general excitement--and she's passing it along.
Presumably the feature is intended to be some sort of cross ownership between the two; 3ds online multiplayer through Wii U like the Ad Hoc Party function on PSP/PS3; the ability for developers to unlock content on one by syncing with the other... or something else like that. The best case scenario would be a virtual console cross-ownership program. Because she's a fan, she's excited and wants to share with people. She's learning to hedge a lot more, which is good. It's still the kind of Nostradamus style generality that makes the actual tease itself pretty much worthless, but it's better than overblowing the whole thing at least.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47317085&postcount=108
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47319625&postcount=167
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47320005&postcount=179
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47320355&postcount=185
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47321044&postcount=202
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47321303&postcount=206
As I argue in those posts, I think that through her efforts as a fan journalist, she has cultivated actual relationships with actual people in the industry. Clearly especially with Indie developers in North America who are interested in working with Nintendo.
But she has also proven time and time again that at best, assuming she hasn't taken wild guesses or made anything up, that she shows poor judgment in contextualizing information she is given, reporting things with the appropriate amount of caution, or otherwise using a filter on the information she has. I think she's also not shown the appropriate amount of humility in contextualizing why she was wrong, or admitting personal culpability in being wrong.
In that past announcement linked in those posts above, we have things like her claiming that Soul Calibur was being released on Wii U. Here are some possibilities: 1) She lied. 2) She was lied to and fell for it. 3) She was told the truth but the game never got completed or released so she spilled the beans early and without proper assurances that it was a real thing. 4) She was told something more general ("we're working at releasing one of our fighting games") and incorrectly concluded specifics about which game it was. There is no follow-up apology that gives us the context to know which is true.
She said Metroid 3DS was in development. Possibilities: 1) She lied. 2) She was lied to and fell for it. 3) She was told the truth but the gam never got completed or released so she spilled the beans early and without proper assurances that it was a real thing. 4) The game was being pitched by a developer but the pitch was never accepted by Nintendo and she exaggerated how far along it was. 5) She was told something more general--that there was a Metroid project being worked on--that turned out to be Metroid 3D Classic--and she incorrectly summarized it as "Metroid 3DS" AND it never got made in the end. There is no follow-up apology that gives us the context to know which is true.
In this industry, many things that are pitched are never accepted, many accepted things never go into full development, many things in development never get released, many things that get released get delayed. Reporting that doesn't take this into account--for example, reporting that changes a 3rd party mocking up a tech demo of Halo DS to pitch to Microsoft into "Halo DS is being developed"--shows a lack of professionalism and discretion on the part of the journalist.
That being said, those tweets are pretty harmless. Here's my take on those tweets. Someone who is working on eShop stuff for Nintendo, probably an independent developer, got updated documentation from Nintendo about a new feature. This person told her. Maybe he told her specifically something to look forward to, or maybe he told her what she's telling the public--just general excitement--and she's passing it along.
Presumably the feature is intended to be some sort of cross ownership between the two; 3ds online multiplayer through Wii U like the Ad Hoc Party function on PSP/PS3; the ability for developers to unlock content on one by syncing with the other... or something else like that. The best case scenario would be a virtual console cross-ownership program. Because she's a fan, she's excited and wants to share with people. She's learning to hedge a lot more, which is good. It's still the kind of Nostradamus style generality that makes the actual tease itself pretty much worthless, but it's better than overblowing the whole thing at least.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
That's where Retro's Star Fox comes in...
I'm betting hes talkign relatively speaking. As inV ita has better/more up to date tech for a handheld then wiiu does for a fullblown console.
More worthless 3 DS related rubbish. Give us games on Wii U.
I would like to know the sales of VC games. Or more importantly how many hours are played on them. I have yet to find a VC game I play longer than 5 minutes. OK Links awakening I spent about an hour but I think that's the only one. The games are generally trash.
New IP!!!!!
I would like to know the sales of VC games. Or more importantly how many hours are played on them. I have yet to find a VC game I play longer than 5 minutes. OK Links awakening I spent about an hour but I think that's the only one. The games are generally trash.
Oh god no! Of not make retro do a furry game Nintendo. And not an old IP.
New IP!!!!!
KojiKnight
Member
No, I mean attention from news media. That is the entire point in companies paying to be at E3... it's to get media attention that will eventually turn into profit by being advertisements for their upcoming games.
Gaming websites aren't likely to headline any of Nintendo's games when this E3 is going to be all about the hardware reveals for the PS4 and Durango... but if they release a giant Nintendo direct a week before E3 (when lots of people are looking at these sites, hoping for leaks of the big hardware reveals) showing off all the games before they appear playable AT E3 then they will get those front line pages.