Is the medical stuff focused under the digital imaging division? I seem to remember Kaz saying that was going to be a big push for them aswell. There is alot of money to be had in the field, it just depends on how quickly Kaz can shift things around in the company to what he wants, and if he can do it in a reasonable time frame I think. He's only recently taken over, so I think it will take some time to see the effects of his new position. Sonys biggest issue internally is the stubborn Japanese old guard that refuse any kind of change, even for the better.
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Sony's shares tumble to 31 year low (BBC)
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Is the medical stuff focused under the digital imaging division? I seem to remember Kaz saying that was going to be a big push for them aswell. There is alot of money to be had in the field, it just depends on how quickly Kaz can shift things around in the company to what he wants, and if he can do it in a reasonable time frame I think. He's only recently taken over, so I think it will take some time to see the effects of his new position. Sonys biggest issue internally is the stubborn Japanese old guard that refuse any kind of change, even for the better.
get2sammyb
Member
Oh joy, another doom and gloom thread in which the armchair analysts come out in force with their grand statements about what a gigantic company should and shouldn't do.
Sigh.
At this point, I want Sony to recover just for the sake of shutting everybody up. And yes, before anybody quotes me and points it out, I probably shouldn't have entered this thread in the first place.
Sigh.
At this point, I want Sony to recover just for the sake of shutting everybody up. And yes, before anybody quotes me and points it out, I probably shouldn't have entered this thread in the first place.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Are any of their businesses profitable?
Trinitron?
teruterubozu
Member
The June shareholders meeting is going to be disastrous.
Poor Kaz is going to get thrown under the bus soon. He was probably appointed president last month to be the sacrificial lamb.
Poor Kaz is going to get thrown under the bus soon. He was probably appointed president last month to be the sacrificial lamb.
Sony Pictures, Sony Music, Sony Finance (?), Playstation and imaging division IIRC
The trinitrons?
I think Japan seriously underestimated South Korean electronics. Everyone is bying Samsung because they are cheaper and they are actually ahead tech-wise and don't seem to be slowing down.
Honestly bought the Xperia Play which considering the specs was pretty overpriced, but I thought it has superior controls and Sony would at least properly support it with a decent stream of PSX titles like on PSN. I also though even if Sony does nothing I still have emulation to save me. As it turns out the support is non-existant. It still functions as a decent emulator device, though compatibility sucks at times. Should've gone for iPhone tbh, even though I detest touch controls.
Liamario
Banned
His face in that picture is amazing. No caption needed.
I would think that a strategically sound and forward thinking electronics company like Samsung would not want to enter the video game console market right now.
How? You think they are saying fuck movies and computers, we're going straight gaming? Their movies is the only thing carrying them right now. Ever since the launch of the PS3, That thing was hurting them. :/
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Samsungs engineer are not on pair with Sony. But Samsung came from humble beginnings. It was Sony who used them back then. Sony were masters of design and marketing. Japan was strong. Korea was wasteful and cheap labor, like China was.
Samsung did all the small stuff. But Samsung grew, and they learned. Then they learned design and to do marketing. And now, Samsung has one big advantage - Samsung has copied others a lot, but they are very good at making cheap products. Samsung is rated on one of the most powerful tech companies in the world, because their internals are in almost everything. From washing machines to apple products. It might be ram, or a fan, or a cable, or something else. Samsung makes it.
Sony is legendary. Steve Jobs remembering Morita; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7WmPz5kgjc
Samsung did all the small stuff. But Samsung grew, and they learned. Then they learned design and to do marketing. And now, Samsung has one big advantage - Samsung has copied others a lot, but they are very good at making cheap products. Samsung is rated on one of the most powerful tech companies in the world, because their internals are in almost everything. From washing machines to apple products. It might be ram, or a fan, or a cable, or something else. Samsung makes it.
Sony is legendary. Steve Jobs remembering Morita; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7WmPz5kgjc
The prices of Sony's tvs have been in line with Samsung, LG, & Panasonic. What really hurts Sony is that they don't own any manufacturing facilities to sell panels to third party assemblers such as Vizio and store brands.
Raonak
Banned
I don't know why some people want a PS phone; you think the vita has a bad battery life now. just imagine what it'll be with a constant signal connection.
you'd always have to worry that if you play a game for any extended period of time, you won't have enough battery to last the rest of the day.
entremet
Member
Do you understand what's the point of a discussion forum?
Whether it's Sony or any other company, it always seems that people like yourself always come out to stifle discussion for sake of some weird sense of loyalty.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Massive overreactions as usual so far in this thread.
Comparing Sony to Sega is frankly, laughable. Sony shipped more PS3's alone over the last 12 months than Sega did Dreamcast's over that platform's entire lifespan. With PS3 representing only a little more than a half of Sony's Playstation branded gaming hardware outputs for the year.
Comparing Sony to Sega is frankly, laughable. Sony shipped more PS3's alone over the last 12 months than Sega did Dreamcast's over that platform's entire lifespan. With PS3 representing only a little more than a half of Sony's Playstation branded gaming hardware outputs for the year.
Yeah, I really only expect one more cycle (2013) before Panny pulls the plug on plasma.
It would be pretty easy for them to enter the casual market. Their tv's are becoming more then powerful enough to handle IOS type games and they are implementing motion tracking and voice recognition too.
Their new OLED's will have upgradable hardware.
They wouldn't have to risk selling a console because the hardware required is already inside their TV's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhdNcim8DM&feature=fvwrel
Zeouterlimits
Member
Well at least you realise your own foolishness.
entremet
Member
How much money did the PS3 cost Sony compared to Sega and the Dreamcast? They've done a great job with its turnaround, but don't forget the massive costs sunk into the system itself.
Smiles and Cries
Member
they should break all the divisions up into separate companies since they don't seem to know how to work well together
that was gaming could always stay alive
that was gaming could always stay alive
Not the worst idea... convergence certainly hasn't helped them.
What divisions of Sony are profitable at the moment though? Gaming? Cameras?
balladofwindfishes
Member
This is an unfair statement. The size of the gaming industry has exploded since the days of the Dreamcast, so of course the sales will be more than the DC. It's not right to compare raw numbers, you have to compare changes in profit.
teruterubozu
Member
LOL, tell that to the stockholders holding at a 30 yr low.
Oh yes, people are definitely overreacting to a company being at its lowest point in thirty-one years. Haven't they heard of Uncharted?
Wyndstryker
Member
A 31 year low...thats pretty much before Sony made the Playstations and maybe even the Walkmans...
Insurance and Finance
Baconsammy
Banned
Analysts say the firm has also been lagging behind in innovation and product development, which are key to growth in the consumer electronics sector.
This. Stop copying. Start leading again.
This. Stop copying. Start leading again.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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When IBM got into trouble in the late 80s/early 90s, they shed 200,000 employees. Now obviously they were and still are a massive company, but Sony is the same. Much like the IBM of that period, Sony is missing out on key markets and focusing too much on low margin products.
Sony isn't beyond hope. Hell, IBM lost over $8 billion in the 1992 financial year, and over $16 billion between 1991-93. But they had a talented CEO from outside the company's ranks:
Or Sony could look at Nissan. Reduce the bloat of the company and focus on high-margin products that actually do well.
Sony isn't beyond hope. Hell, IBM lost over $8 billion in the 1992 financial year, and over $16 billion between 1991-93. But they had a talented CEO from outside the company's ranks:
Or Sony could look at Nissan. Reduce the bloat of the company and focus on high-margin products that actually do well.
teruterubozu
Member
Howard Stringer was that "outside" guy who was supposed to change the corporate culture, but he sunk 'em even lower. Plus IBM was facing a lot less competition back then in the computing sector.
Camera's should be profitable. They have the 2nd largest market share(If I remember right), they have the average consumer with the cybershot and the high end with the alpha. I'm not sure if it's actually a devision on it's own though.
thehypocrite
Member
Expected market reaction.
teruterubozu
Member
Time to buy?
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Or Chrysler recently, companies can overcome these things. Sometimes they come out of it better than they were.
The gaming division was losing billions in PS3' early life cycle. If it hadn't of had the other divisions propping it up, things would have gotten real ugly, real fast.
That's more like it.
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
But he wasn't really an outside guy. He had been working at Sony since the 90s. Before that he mainly just worked for CBS, which doesn't provide a huge amount of experience for running a massive electronics company. And IBM was facing plenty of competition (Windows for OS, Oracle in software, Dell in PCs, etc.). IBM was a massive electronics company which was being outcompeted in just about everything they sold.
Raonak
Banned
wow. didn't know panasonic were bleeding too.
CadetMahoney
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teruterubozu
Member
I thought Stringer was a full outsider - guess I was wrong.
As you mentioned, I think the Nissan and Carlos Ghosn turnaround is more appropriate for the Sony situation in terms of bringing in a "Mr. Fixit". Either way, Kaz may be looking at a "no confidence" vote soon.
butter_stick
Banned
They should invest more in 3D. The payoff is coming any day now.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Considering the disasters both natural and made made affecting their business over the last year (Earthquake, Tsunami, Thai floods, PSN hack, and most of all the state of the Yen) that their bottom-line was adversely affected should come as no surprise to anyone.
Personally, all I really care about is the gaming/multimedia side. So Sony's performance in that area is what I'm most interested in; Because if that business remains viable its likely to survive in the long-term, regardless of its parent companies state.
I couldn't give a toss if their insurance arm prints money or that they are selling off their chemical business subsidiaries, it is irrelevant to my interests. This is gaming forum and I'm interested in gaming. Period.
Valis said:
Personally, all I really care about is the gaming/multimedia side. So Sony's performance in that area is what I'm most interested in; Because if that business remains viable its likely to survive in the long-term, regardless of its parent companies state.
I couldn't give a toss if their insurance arm prints money or that they are selling off their chemical business subsidiaries, it is irrelevant to my interests. This is gaming forum and I'm interested in gaming. Period.
teruterubozu
Member
Good thing this thread is on the gaming side then.