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NBA 2017 Playoffs |OT| WE DID IT
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Ninja Scooter
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Wall can be a good defender, whereas I'm not entirely sure Kyrie knows what defense even is.
Cornbread78
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Cornbread78
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Dude still has game, he just doesn't give a #%#@ anymore. Do you blame him?
Atomic Playboy
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Cornbread78
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I hear ya, that's why I had him as a ?. He still should be a super, but he took a was of cash in NYC and started retirement early.
lonzo ball
Lionel Richie
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Harden also can't play defense and he's likely winning MVP. Kyrie is even worse on defense and some people think he's the best non CP3 PG in the league. When you're that good on offense like IT is, you can get away with not being too hot on defense.
I can't believe we're even having a discussion about IT being a superstar when it was established that Demar DeRozan is one.
Atomic Playboy
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There is not a single person on Earth who thinks Kyrie is better than Curry, and that includes Kyrie.
Lionel Richie
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There are people who think that, though they are wrong.
That's a person-like being, the "I can't believe it's not a person" of beings.
Lionel Richie
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That was an easy jab, I almost feel bad lol.
True Savior
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Superstar should be player who can put most teams on a playoff position. Lebron, Durant, Curry, Harden, Kawhi, Westbrook and Chris Paul. That's kinda it.
Rose was a superstar. Butler is first round playoff fodder.
The one player I'm doubtful is Irving. The Cavs team he led a few years ago was more than enough to secure a playoff spot in the East and he failed miserably.
Rose was a superstar. Butler is first round playoff fodder.
The one player I'm doubtful is Irving. The Cavs team he led a few years ago was more than enough to secure a playoff spot in the East and he failed miserably.
Lionel Richie
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If we had to rank them on who's a bigger moron, it has to go Colin > Skip > SAS, right? But it's pretty interchangeable.
Skip is definitely the worst of them all
MushroomSamba
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I dunno, Colin puts up pretty good competition.
Lionel Richie
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Compared to Colin and Skip he really isn't. He's kind of obnoxious but I don't think he's deeply moronic like the other two.
So I can't be the only person not nearly as enamored with Westbrook as the media seems to be. Yeah, the guy is talented in a lot of respects, but holy shit, I've never seen a ball hog like this, perhaps ever. The guy makes Kobe look like John Stockton.
I mean, when you're handling the ball 95% of the time and chucking up 40 shots a game, it's really not that hard to get godly statlines. Watching that fourth quarter where he shot the ball 18 times and the rest of the Thunder just stood there was painful (although it's hard to blame his teammates when they knew they were never going to get the ball). Sure, you can say the rest of his team sucks, but I dunno, he was 8 for 49 from the three point line in the Rockets series for God's sake.
I mean, when you're handling the ball 95% of the time and chucking up 40 shots a game, it's really not that hard to get godly statlines. Watching that fourth quarter where he shot the ball 18 times and the rest of the Thunder just stood there was painful (although it's hard to blame his teammates when they knew they were never going to get the ball). Sure, you can say the rest of his team sucks, but I dunno, he was 8 for 49 from the three point line in the Rockets series for God's sake.
LegendofDragoonLives
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SAS is obnoxious. I just can't listen to him yell all day anymore. It was fun when Skip was there, but Max doesn't have a lot of charisma so it just looks like an angry dude fucking yelling for no reason. Skip to me is a troll. I just don't think he believes a lotta things he says, and his new show esp now is entertaining as hell. I also laugh every time Shannon yells Skeeup. Those two have some of the best chemistry in any show, esp in the last 2-3 months. It looks like they've completely found their groove. Main reason I listen to Colin now is #masources aka Broussard. Even though I don't always agree with him, he seems objective a lot of time and offers good insight on a lot of subjects. I like listening to Skip and Colin (due to his guests) more than mr yells all the time.
Since ESPN fired everybody.. I'm kinda hoping FOX hires Strauss so he & Broussard make a new show together. Even if it's a weekend podcast, I think they'd be good together.
Since ESPN fired everybody.. I'm kinda hoping FOX hires Strauss so he & Broussard make a new show together. Even if it's a weekend podcast, I think they'd be good together.
You're not, I just had an argument with a guy who falls under that charm just a few pages ago. WB is a beast but extremely flawed one.
darkwing-buck
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I'd take 2017 Wall over Kyrie.
Dude's putting out 27 and 10 on 50% FG in the post season.
Dude's putting out 27 and 10 on 50% FG in the post season.
*Against the Hawks
Wall has led multiple teams to the playoffs as their best player. Kyrie as a team's best player could barely win 25 games. Wall is a significantly better passer, defender and driver. LeBron pushed the Cavs to a ring. Without him, the Cavs are in the lottery.
Everyone over rates Kyrie because he's really great at one or two things (Shooting, iso scoring). Those two things make him a perfect compliment to LeBron because Kyrie can play off the ball with his shooting, and can get his own shot when LeBron rests. But LeBron makes up for all of Kyrie's deficiencies as a point guard. LeBron makes everyone on the team better with his passing/playmaking. If you don't have that, all you have is Kyrie taking 30 shots and everyone else watching.
Blak_Status
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This is spot on and don't even know how people can argue this.
The real question is Kyrie better the Conley? I don't think he is .
No, he's not. Conley is better. In the same way Kyrie is over rated for being great at a couple things, Conley is underrated because he's NOT great at anything. He's just good to really good at almost everything.
CopperPuppy
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Can't argue with any of this, TBH.
Gonna need more from you on this one.
As someone who's watched a lot of both, I'd put them on the same level tbh. Conley is a fantastic defender, good passer, and scorer
Cornbread78
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Bill Simmon wrote a great piece about CP3 today. He articulated what I failed to the other night when I asked if Paul ever scores 30. As great as he is, he never carries a team for four quarters like the best Point Guards.
There's a huge difference between a minus defenders and someone who physically can't guard anyone on the court. Just look at Kyrie in the Finals. He's a bad defender, right? But he was more than serviceable in that series. No amount of coaching and effort can hide IT, though. Dude is just too damn small.
There's a huge difference between a minus defenders and someone who physically can't guard anyone on the court. Just look at Kyrie in the Finals. He's a bad defender, right? But he was more than serviceable in that series. No amount of coaching and effort can hide IT, though. Dude is just too damn small.
From the reddit topic is here
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/67w7yc/demarcus_cousins_spotted_wearing_rockets_gear_in/
That's a fair point. I would counter with, how much has he actually improved any of his weaknesses in the last three years? He's certainly bolstered his strengths and become an even more dominant iso scorer and shooter, but is he any better at passing, defending or running a team than he was three years ago?
Peter Ian Staker
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Magic trying to keep Lavar of the locker room will be hilarious.
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