ThatStupidLion
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i do not get why they diverted so much from the first one. this series direction is so outlandishly questionable
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Valkyria Revolution review thread
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sechsterangriff
Member
Well, at least the soundtrack is good. What a waste...
Nuno Pinto
Member
Why even bother localizing this...
Suzushiiro
Banned
Looking at which sites are giving which scores it seems like it's good enough by the standards of low-to-mid-budget weeb games like Neptunia, Senran Kagura, and Atelier but awful by the standards of Valkyria Chronicles, particularly the more "mainstream" audience the original drew in that typically doesn't go in on games that look that anime.
Jesus, don't compare this to Atelier. And I seriously doubt anyone is hating on this because it's an 'anime' game. Like, eugh, it's just not a very good game.
Toadthemushroom
Member
I do get the sentiment...recently it feels like the latest Atelier games are increasingly being phoned in...almost as if they are rolling off an assembly line.
LordBaztion
Member
the game is $25 in the argentinian store and I'm kinda tempted but with these reviews I will wait for price drop $15 is a good price imo
GabeTheGrouch76
Member
Coincidentally, that also perfectly explains Sonic Team's historical direction with the Sonic IP to a T.
GoldandBlue
Member
I am baffled that this got an Xbox port. Don't JRPGs not do so hot on Xbox? I feel a game like Yakuza would do better on it but for some reason they decided to go with a niche JRPG that was already received poorly in Japan.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I guess it's just too hard for SEGA to give us more of what made the original great. This series has been woefully mismanaged ever since the sequel.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
At least something good came out of this. Probably will give the OST a listen at work.
AmuroChan
Member
Well, Phil did say he's talking with JP devs to bring more JRPGs to Xbox. Well, here it is!
purseowner
Member
Sacrilege.
themagicalkitsune
Member
Don't understand this mentality. Only good games are allowed to make it over now? The west does not have the upper hand in an industry that's already very flimsy about localization of non-big name titles.
Some people have the wrong idea. Revolution is poor all around but it's not an otaku fanservice game.
Also Sega didn't make this game as a response to PC VC1 sales. Pre-production and actual development of VAR started before that release.
Also Valkyria hasn't been neglected as a series in Japan. It was only a short break for them; around four years between VC3's release and VAR starting dev, and that was just because the stars hadn't aligned for them to work on another title in that meantime.
Also an important thing to keep in mind is that VC1 bombed on console release in both territories. We can try to guess forever why that happened, but it's just good to keep that as a reminder before requesting an HD console Chronicles sequel.
Also Sega didn't make this game as a response to PC VC1 sales. Pre-production and actual development of VAR started before that release.
Also Valkyria hasn't been neglected as a series in Japan. It was only a short break for them; around four years between VC3's release and VAR starting dev, and that was just because the stars hadn't aligned for them to work on another title in that meantime.
Also an important thing to keep in mind is that VC1 bombed on console release in both territories. We can try to guess forever why that happened, but it's just good to keep that as a reminder before requesting an HD console Chronicles sequel.
Why would that make any difference in a review thread for a shitty ass game?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Most likely its because the vita is dying out and they were unknown about Nintendo, so they feel they have to expand no matter how small the audience is.
VC was almost 10 years ago. Its safe to say that all the brain children of that game have moved on long ago, likely right after VC1 even.
Fair enough in regards to the deep silver aspect, but in that case, i put the blame fully on Sega making the stupidest decisions about localization and funding of these projects.
In regards to Xbox gamers, the minority of folks on that platform who like Japanese games are not enough to outweigh the absolutely maddening levels of "i don't like weeb weird japanese games anyway" mindset the majority share. Only FF15 was spared that, and even then...
If they think they are gonna get any meaningful sales, i can say right now just based on my experiences that its gonna be a fools errand
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
My buddy did not like this game lol. 5/10
https://abxygaming.com/2017/06/27/valkyria-revolution-review/
https://abxygaming.com/2017/06/27/valkyria-revolution-review/
GoldandBlue
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the changes they made only gameplay related since the demo was poorly received? Sounds like not making the changes wouldn't have made a difference.
IIRC the people who helmed that game work on mobile primarily now.
Edit:
It looks like several were on 7th Dragon III.
The reasoning behind the Xbox version seems simple enough.
Keep in mind the One version was announced before Revolution was released in Japan by about two months. That means that the porting process had begun at least a few months ahead of that. In other words, Sega America were likely not aware that the game was going to get a bad reception in Japan ~6 months in advance.
Now combine it with this phrase "Valkyria is popular in the West", something that Sega Japan has acknowledged themselves several times. If you have an anime-styled title that has name recognition in the West, then what better game to test the waters with to see if Xbox One is a viable platform for Japanese game releases? VC1 PC wasn't released with this mentality in mind, but it paid off for Sega, so why not try the same with Xbox?
Just trying to illuminate some of the potential thought processes that led to such a decision, even if it seems obvious now that the game is not good. Either Sega America had an inflated view of how strong the Valkyria IP is, or they just have producers with bad understanding of what makes a game good. It's also possible the situation was outside of their control.
I would love to know who ported the game to XOne, but it was likely a subcontractor that's not identified (unless someone has data somewhere pointing to a company).
RAITA didn't do any of the designs for this game. The artist for this game is Kiyohara Hiro.
Keep in mind the One version was announced before Revolution was released in Japan by about two months. That means that the porting process had begun at least a few months ahead of that. In other words, Sega America were likely not aware that the game was going to get a bad reception in Japan ~6 months in advance.
Now combine it with this phrase "Valkyria is popular in the West", something that Sega Japan has acknowledged themselves several times. If you have an anime-styled title that has name recognition in the West, then what better game to test the waters with to see if Xbox One is a viable platform for Japanese game releases? VC1 PC wasn't released with this mentality in mind, but it paid off for Sega, so why not try the same with Xbox?
Just trying to illuminate some of the potential thought processes that led to such a decision, even if it seems obvious now that the game is not good. Either Sega America had an inflated view of how strong the Valkyria IP is, or they just have producers with bad understanding of what makes a game good. It's also possible the situation was outside of their control.
I would love to know who ported the game to XOne, but it was likely a subcontractor that's not identified (unless someone has data somewhere pointing to a company).
RAITA didn't do any of the designs for this game. The artist for this game is Kiyohara Hiro.
Suzushiiro
Banned
I fucking adore Atelier, don't get me wrong, and I'm sure the average Atelier is way better than this game, I just see it as still being very much in that zone of "games weebs like but normies don't bother with."
BRSxIgnition
Member
So it's Federation Force but for Valkyria Chronicles instead of Metroid Prime.
Got it.
Got it.
To my understanding, the main complaint was that it wasn't "tactical" enough. Which probably forced them to shoe-horn as much tactical stuff from the old games as they could while still keeping the action focus.
Obviously there's no way to know how it would've turned out had they gone that way but It was a demo and I feel they could've used the time to polish the action gameplay instead of trying to be something it wasn't. The original game was very deliberate in what it was trying to do and this one seems to have always been conceived as a musou/action type of game.
I thought "Oh, nice score" and then I remember Polygon uses a 10 point scale.
Janine going for the throat.
Not too surprised, IIRC it wasn't received well in Japan.
Expected. No wonder media.vision has been their go to since, although i can't say its really worked out for them
It's crazy how difficult it is for a new good JRPG to release on Vita... It seems like there is a new high-quality-looking JRPG releasing on Vita every 2 weeks lately, but so far none of them have been worth playing...
Thank god I re-discovered Freedom Wars this week...
No... Freedom Force has good gameplay... this looks to have terrible gameplay.
Thank god I re-discovered Freedom Wars this week...
No... Freedom Force has good gameplay... this looks to have terrible gameplay.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Yeah, had they held off on starting development for another year or so this game would probably be very different and much more like VC1. Moving the franchise in this direction makes sense when looking at the state of the series before November 2014, less so after the PC and PS4 re-releases of the original sold over a million copies.
I don't think Sega's so dumb as to take this game bombing as a sign that people don't want Valkyria games anymore, especially not after how well the VC1 ports did. Some of the statements they've made both before and after the game's Japanese release have implied as much as well.
Just wondering, how can a professional game media be so bias against a console manufacturer? I mean sure you can post whatever you feel like on GAF, but when you are representing your site, which I think you are in this case, isn't it against some integrity rules? Or the media doesn't even have such rules? More amusing is that the site is called "Attack of the Fanboy".
Before anyone calling me a fanboy, I've never owned any Microsoft console in my life, and I probably never will.
KimonoNoNo
Member
To be honest, I'm not sure where Sega can take Valkyria from here.
The Pet of the Month
Member
Jeez, I was hoping it would be average, but after seeing the first 30 minutes and all these reviews this is shaping up to be worse than Star Ocean 4.
Went ahead and cancelled my order beforehand, what a shame.
Went ahead and cancelled my order beforehand, what a shame.
If the reception to VC1 on PC/PS4 is any indication, probably more like that, and less so VC3.
But not like this game or VC2.
That mindset doesn't exist. Many people don't care about japanese games when they buy a xbox, true, but that's because japanese games don't hit xbox anyway, why would you buy one if you mainly wanted those titles? This "eugh weeb keep out from my xbawks" nonsense is a very small (but maybe vocal seeing as it keep being mentioned every single time) minority which is present in PS4 as well (or you think madden/fifa dudebros on PS4 love japanese games too? please)
I'm depressed as fuck honestly.
Back to it's genre with a competent team.
DarkConfidant
Member
Man. Sega fucked up.
First game was great, but poorly marketed.
2nd game was good, irrelevant to the tone of the first game, a bit difficult for some, and only on PSP.
3rd game never came to the US.
We're never getting a 4, and it's not our fault.
The anime based on the first game was pretty good, in my opinion, and I'm not a big fan of anime. Did a good job telling the first game's story in a way that works better for TV.
First game was great, but poorly marketed.
2nd game was good, irrelevant to the tone of the first game, a bit difficult for some, and only on PSP.
3rd game never came to the US.
We're never getting a 4, and it's not our fault.
The anime based on the first game was pretty good, in my opinion, and I'm not a big fan of anime. Did a good job telling the first game's story in a way that works better for TV.
I'm legit mad you just compared the Atelier series to Neptunia and Senran Kagura.