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Trump threatens to ‘totally destroy’ North Korea.

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eatingforwork

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Pretty textbook bullying tactics. Name calling, threats of violence, etc etc etc.

Pretty fascinating (and frustrating and awful). He is literally a man who has no idea what he's talking about, but rather than admit it, just amps up his rhetoric to 11, but not knowing is a sign of weakness.
 
holygeesus

holygeesus

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iRAWRasaurus said:
lol to many replies to quote so in general, yes I know there will be many death of civilians as stated above. But until trump actually gathers up countless children and infants and order the military to slaughter them, I will think that comment is over blown. Till then take it how you will.

And no, I hate trump.
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I'm sure I read that Trump is already responsible for more civilian deaths, via bombing campaigns, than Obama was for his entire presidency.

Something about telling his generals to ignore 'safety' measures put in place by the previous office, to minimise innocent civilian deaths.

It is actually pretty chilling that the US population are not more outraged by what is going on already, in various war zones, under his leadership.

Edit - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ons-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

Nearly as many Iraqi and Syrian civilians have died in US-led air strikes under Donald Trump as were killed during the whole administration of Barack Obama, independent analysts say.

As of 13 July, more than 2,200 civilians had been killed by the US-led international coalition against Isis since Donald Trump entered the White house in January - compared with the estimated 2,300 civilians who died during similar strikes between 2014 and 2016.

Roughly 80 civilians per month died in strikes under Mr Obama but this has now risen to approximately 360 per month under Mr Trump, according to research by the military tracking organisation Airwars.
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MadeULook

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MiloHoffman said:
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This just makes me want to go watch Mortal Kombat.
 
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sKiTz

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I'm not going to lie, I thought his speech was actually on point, it felt like your President was actually showing a backbone for a change in my opinion.
 
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DrSlek

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sKiTz said:
I'm not going to lie, I thought his speech was actually on point, it felt like your President was actually showing a backbone for a change in my opinion.
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Threatening to destroy another country is generally not something one should do when speaking at the UN General Assembley. It's kinda frowned upon, no matter how shitty the country is.
 
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yanipheonu

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Threatening Nuclear Destruction at the United Nations is like praising Democrats at a Republican convention: he catastrophically misunderstands what his audience wants from him.
 
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Zolo

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yanipheonu said:
Threatening Nuclear Destruction at the United Nations is like praising Democrats at a Republican convention: he catastrophically misunderstands what his audience wants from him.
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He doesn't care about that audience. He cares about the audience that's viewing the speech from their TV's back home.
 
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Volphied

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Renegade Frost said:
He is DOING this At the UNITED NATIONS

Its EXTREMELY INNAPROPRO!!!

MGRGRGR!!!
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Is this a joke post?

Do you think it's normal for one UN member to threaten to annihilate another UN member?

Have you ignored the criticism aimed at his idiotic speech from foreign diplomats?

Do you not find it fucked up to go to a world body, which was organised to prevent the rise of nationalist world powers, and proclaim your intent to be a nationalist world power?
 
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Megalo

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The leader of a nation shouldn't talk about the "total destruction" of another country, period.

We are no longer living in the middle ages, someone should tell him.
 
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sKiTz

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Volphied said:
Trump's speech to UN called 'terrifying' and 'delusional' by foreign policy experts

From being laughed at by diplomats to policy experts calling him delusional.

Where the fuck do you see his "backbone"?
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The way I see it, NK poses a serious threat, maybe not now but later down the line, he's firing missiles over allied countries, did you watch the whole speech? He stated that if the U.N didn't step their game up and he continues on this path then the U.S have no choice but to destroy the NK Regime.

Would you be happy with a rogue nation testing potential nuke missiles to fly over your country? Is that acceptable?

I just feel that for the first time in a while, the president told it how it is for a change.
 
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Volphied

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sKiTz said:
The way I see it, NK poses a serious threat, maybe not now but later down the line, he's firing missiles over allied countries, did you watch the whole speech? He stated that if the U.N didn't step their game up and he continues on this path then the U.S have no choice but to destroy the NK Regime.

Would you be happy with a rogue nation testing potential nuke missiles to fly over your country? Is that acceptable?
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The whole world watched the speech and right now many are realizing that the US might be the rogue nation threatening nuclear war.

Do you even realize why NK might be testing their weapons? They're doing it because they want to defend themselves from a US invasion. They look at Iraq and Libya and see examples of countries that got invaded by the US after they abandoned their WMD program.

sKiTz said:
I just feel that for the first time in a while, the president told it how it is for a change.
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This is not shared by world leaders, who for the first time realize that the US is dramatically loosing their power.
 
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llien

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Volphied said:
The whole world watched the speech and right now many are realizing that the US might be the rogue nation threatening nuclear war.
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Come on.

Volphied said:
Do you even realize why NK might be testing their weapons? They're doing it because they want to defend themselves from a US invasion.
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NK's nuclear/missile programs have its roots back in 1950s.
Meanwhile Seul has never ceased to be within artillery strike for NK and that has been deterrent enough for all these decades. (along with China)

Trumps fuck ups are no reasons to whitewash NK regime.
 
SaviourMK2

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What's he gonna do? Open a few casinos in North Korea?

I like he just wants to outright destroy North Korea, not purge dictatorship or free its citizens, destroy. You know... War crimes.
 
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Volphied

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
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Quality counter -argument. Congrats.


llien said:
NK's nuclear/missile programs have its roots back in 1950s.
Meanwhile Seul has never ceased to be within artillery strike for NK and that has been deterrent enough for all these decades. (along with China)
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And with which country were they at war in the 50s? The US.

If you'd look at the propaganda NK constantly projects on their citizens, you'd see that they are preparing for a US invasion. And now Trump comes and outright confirms that the US wants to destroy their country. Kim must be incredibly happy right now. It's a propaganda victory for him

llien said:
Trumps fuck ups are no reasons to whitewash NK regime.
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Nobody's whitewashing the NK regime.

But tell me, how does the life of ordinary NK citizens improve if the US starts bombing their country until nothing but radioactive rubble is left? Is that how you imagine American Freedom?

The US is already stuck with two failed nations in the middle east. So I guess it's time to create a humanitarian catastrophe in Asia.

Japan and South Korea are already freaking out at Trumps idiocy
 
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BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's funny how Trump/America has become the mirror image of Kim/North Korea... a couple of blowhards with over the top war rhetoric who have completely exhausted their credibility. Who can take them seriously?

I'm not saying real conflict can't come from this... but you can't gauge the seriousness of tension from either of their hyperbolic, bloviating threats.
 
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CyclopsRock

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Volphied said:
Do you know who heads NATO? Their current president constantly whines about how other members should pay him, like it's some protection racket.

Do you also know that Qaddafi shut down his WMD program in exchange for security from interference by the US and its allies?
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Trump doesn't "head" NATO and he certainly didn't in 2011. Furthermore, it was sanctioned by the UN, in order to enforce a resolution of the UN. International law is a bit murky but it's about as clean cut case for intervention as you're likely to get. It happened because Gaddafi was slaughtering his own people - his shutting down his WMD programme didn't give him free reign to do that. If NK learns any lessons from that whole episode, it's not the one you're claiming it is.
 
llien

llien

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Volphied said:
And with which country were they at war in the 50s? The US.
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No.
First they tried to conquer south (civil war) and were quite successful at first, thanks to Mr Joseph Djugashvili.
Then they were repelled by UN forces, led by US.
Then, after Chinese involvement (apparently Mao was afraid he'd be the next), two Koreas were born.

Since then, threat of invasion has never been real.

Volphied said:
If you'd look at the propaganda NK constantly projects on their citizens, you'd see that they are preparing for a US invasion.
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First, I don't have means to watch NK propaganda (do you?)
Second, I don't see how on earth it matters. Should I look at what Goebels said to figure what Nazi Germany's intentions were?

Volphied said:
And now Trump comes and outright confirms that the US wants to destroy their country. Kim must be incredibly happy right now. It's a propaganda victory for him.
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What Trump says and what is going on outside of Korea has zero meaning.
There is no propaganda for NK outside it's borders.
And for inside it's borders, it doesn't matter what's going on outside, that's to begin with.

As for the Trumps words, that goes with "if you attack us or allies" and "if you continue development of the missile/nuclear programs". It's not the same as simply threatening a country. In fact, it's quite different.


Volphied said:
But tell me, how does the life of ordinary NK citizens improve if the US starts bombing their country until nothing but radioactive rubble is left? Is that how you imagine American Freedom?
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South Korea is how I imagine "American Freedom". And North Korea is how I imagine "Soviet/Russian Freedom".
If you need more examples, Western Germany is again "American Freedom", as opposed to, you guess it, Eastern German "Russian Freedom".

Volphied said:
The US is already stuck with two failed nations in the middle east. So I guess it's time to create a humanitarian catastrophe in Asia.
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Libya was handled by Europe.
Syria has exploded from inside.(and there are so many stakeholders involved)

The only valid country in this context is Iraq. It definitely was "stabler" with Saddam.
 
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Amalthea

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He's threatening to destroy a whole country in front of the UN and even people who are against him try to relativize it.
It's actually no wonder he came as far as he did.
 
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Volphied

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CyclopsRock said:
Trump doesn't "head" NATO
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America's adversaries view NATO as a US led alliance.

Doesn't matter what the reality is, or what you believe. This is how countries like Iran and Russia view NATO

CyclopsRock said:
Furthermore, it was sanctioned by the UN, in order to enforce a resolution of the UN. International law is a bit murky but it's about as clean cut case for intervention as you're likely to get.
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Again, this doesn't matter to America's adversaries. What they see is this.

CyclopsRock said:
It happened because Gaddafi was slaughtering his own people - his shutting down his WMD programme didn't give him free reign to do that.
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Once again, America's adversaries didn't see it as Gaddafi slaughtering Libyans, but as Gaddafi "defending himself from terrorists and CIA agents". They see it as a coup launched to remove Gaddafi, and the invasion as the final step.

CyclopsRock said:
If NK learns any lessons from that whole episode, it's not the one you're claiming it is.
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This is horribly ignorant of North Korea's current thinking.
 
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neurosisxeno

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Volphied said:
Do you think it's normal for one UN member to threaten to annihilate another UN member?
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North Korea is not a member of the United Nations.

The thing I don't see being said enough is that more so than Trump's comments being inappropriate given the venue, is that they are strategically idiotic. North Korea as a country has fostered a fear in its citizens of America as a whole. They think all Americans want to come to their country and slaughter them in droves, because the Government of North Korea indoctrinates them from birth to think so. Kim Jong Un's primary motivation is maintaining power, and his method of doing so is to paint America as the aggressors in a continuing conflict. Kim Jong Un has basically made it clear he and his father have been pushing the development of their Nuclear Program just so they had a deterrent against American aggression, and could stay in power while also getting a seat at the table internationally.

This isn't speculation, it's what North Korean leaders have been doing for 50-60 years. The reason you never saw Obama threatening North Korea with retaliation is specifically because it's what they want. They want high level officials on camera saying they want to destroy North Korea, so the Government can mass produce propaganda and keep the people of North Korea complicit. So now Kim Jong Un has several clips of the President of the United States saying he wanted to "rain down fire and fury" and various other very aggressive language, and they can continually broadcast it on state sponsored television making it easier for people to believe the horrible leadership they live under is justified. It's a tactically bad move to get into a shouting match with the North Koreans, hence why previous Presidents have refused to do so.
 
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Volphied

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llien said:
No.
First they tried to conquer south (civil war)
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Then, after Chinese involvement (apparently Mao was afraid he'd be the next), two Koreas were born.
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This completely ignores the fact that there were already two Koreas before the war.
It also ignores the fact that NK never saw the war as a war of conquest, but as a war of liberating the South from "US occupation". To this day they call the SK government a puppet of US.

llien said:
As for the Trumps words, that goes with "if you attack us or allies" and "if you continue development of the missile/nuclear programs". It's not the same as simply threatening a country. In fact, it's quite different.
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NK doesn't see its nuclear program as a offensive thing. It views it as a defensive measure (look at Iraq and Libya). So when Trump goes and says that NK will get invaded if it continues with their program, NK will use this as proof that the US is the aggressor.

llien said:
South Korea is how I imagine "American Freedom". And North Korea is how I imagine "Soviet/Russian Freedom".
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South Korea will soon be a destroyed country thanks to "american freedom" launching a first strike at North Korea.

llien said:
The only valid country in this context is Iraq. It definitely was "stabler" with Saddam.
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Afghanistan is anything but stable, holy shit.
 
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ChryZ

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This should be solved by Thunderdome: Rocket Man versus Orange Turd, death match.

I'd pay good money to see that live!
 
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Volphied

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neurosisxeno said:
North Korea is not a member of the United Nations.
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Fair enough. Nevertheless, it is still incredible for the US president to advocate killing 25 million people at the UN. The last time anything similiar happened it was the Soviets promising to "bury" the US.

Also, if you watched the speech, Trump also lumped Iran (a UN member) together with North Korea. He fully intends to rip apart Obama's "horrible" deal, which will lead to war.
 
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neurosisxeno said:
This isn't speculation, it's what North Korean leaders have been doing for 50-60 years. The reason you never saw Obama threatening North Korea with retaliation is specifically because it's what they want. They want high level officials on camera saying they want to destroy North Korea, so the Government can mass produce propaganda and keep the people of North Korea complicit. So now Kim Jong Un has several clips of the President of the United States saying he wanted to "rain down fire and fury" and various other very aggressive language, and they can continually broadcast it on state sponsored television making it easier for people to believe the horrible leadership they live under is justified. It's a tactically bad move to get into a shouting match with the North Koreans, hence why previous Presidents have refused to do so.
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I had to check on this because I thought Obama did threaten them and he did, just not on this scale. No matter who is in office, if our ally gets attacked we will defend them. If we don't we'll lost face and prestige.

'We could destroy you,' Obama warns 'erratic' North Korean leader
David Blair
26 APRIL 2016 • 4:22 PM
President Barack Obama delivered a stern warning to North Korea on Tuesday, reminding its “erratic” and “irresponsible” leader that America’s nuclear arsenal could “destroy” his country.
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Mr Obama gave warning of the possible consequences. “We could, obviously, destroy North Korea with our arsenals,” he told CBS News. “But aside from the humanitarian costs of that, they are right next door to our vital ally, [South] Korea."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.tele...ield-to-guard-against-nuclear-attack-fro/amp/
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Posting on mobile sorry.
 
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neurosisxeno

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NyMartin90 said:
I had to check on this because I thought Obama did threaten them and he did, just not on this scale. No matter who is in office, if our ally gets attacked we will defend them. If we don't we'll lost face and prestige.
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The wording on your linked statement is substantially different from what Trump has so far said. Obama is merely stating a fact, the US arsenal is more than capable of taking care of North Korea, but he at no point says he plans on doing that, and even within the same speech clarifies that the cost of doing so is way too high. Trump is actively threatening North Korea at every turn. It's not so much an isolated incident--the Obama piece you referenced was from April 2016, as he was finishing up his Presidency--but the fact that he continually takes the bait that North Korea gives him. He's already started drawing metaphorical lines and threatening preemptive strikes if those lines are crossed and if he keeps using that kind of language eventually he either has to make good on a threat or it becomes an established thing that he's all talk.
 
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neurosisxeno said:
The wording on your linked statement is substantially different from what Trump has so far said. Obama is merely stating a fact, the US arsenal is more than capable of taking care of North Korea, but he at no point says he plans on doing that, and even within the same speech clarifies that the cost of doing so is way too high. Trump is actively threatening North Korea at every turn. It's not so much an isolated incident--the Obama piece you referenced was from April 2016, as he was finishing up his Presidency--but the fact that he continually takes the bait that North Korea gives him. He's already started drawing metaphorical lines and threatening preemptive strikes if those lines are crossed and if he keeps using that kind of language eventually he either has to make good on a threat or it becomes an established thing that he's all talk.
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Right I mentioned that the scale is different. I do think that brinkmanship is being used by Trump as there are some major developments to North Korea's capability in the months since Obama was in power. The consistent threats to Japan have increased these issues. North Korea has never had as much capability as they do now as under the Obama administration.
Right it is interesting to see what the bluffs will entail but he is putting himself in a corner to have to deliver if he wants to save face.
 
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