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daTRUballin · Feb 28, 2017

I never knew Pierce Brosnan's Bond movies were hated so much until I started visiting certain parts of the Internet (*cough* GAF *cough*). I kinda grew up with Brosnan as Bond. Watched all his Bond movies, and also even played the video games where he was Bond (especially Goldeneye). So I guess you could say I'm kinda biased. His era of movies and games introduced me to the series. He basically IS Bond to me.

I just feel like his movies aren't as terrible as everyone makes them out to be. Like, the only one that could be considered bad would probably be Die Another Day. That movie was a bit too ridiculous. Even a legitimately good movie like Goldeneye is starting to get retrospectively hated on. Goldeneye is usually considered to be great, but now you have some people going "Well, the only reason why it was good was because it was originally meant for Dalton". The World Is Not Enough is also seen as a bad movie, but I just don't really understand why. It wasn't amazing or anything, but it was at least decent. Could somebody give me an explanation as to why TWINE was such a bad movie other than "Well, Denise Richards was in it, so it's bad"?

As someone who never really had a huge problem with Brosnan's movies, I'd like to hear a solid explanation as to why they have such a bad reputation. Is it a retrospect thing? Were they always viewed this way even when they came out?

sleepnaught · Feb 28, 2017

Are they? He's my favorite Bond tbh.

Smellycat · Feb 28, 2017

Where is that ski gif when you need it

Lord of Ostia · Feb 28, 2017

They aren't good films and Brosnan wasn't a good bond.

platakul · Feb 28, 2017

Twine is good actually but the tv broadcast cuts the cumming line and i was mad

Sanjuro · Feb 28, 2017

Because his movies were shit.

Trouble · Feb 28, 2017

Goldeneye was good, but every movie he did after was bad.

ant_ · Feb 28, 2017

He's the Bond I grew up with. I'm a fan of his Bond movies, even if they did get worse and worse. Only one that has a memorable villian for me is Goldeneye. For me, Bond is all about the villian.

Syder · Feb 28, 2017

I 'grew up' on Brosnan's Bond and even as kid I didn't enjoy it. I wasn't discerning enough to realise the movies were bad but I just didn't find Pierce Brosnan cool. As an adult, I realise that the films are garbage especially as his era was immediately followed by the best Bond film, Casino Royale.

Fury451 · Feb 28, 2017

Great Bond- one of the best imo-, but fairly bad movies. Goldeneye was really good, the rest were trash or worse.

rrc1594 · Feb 28, 2017

Goldeneye is great anyone who disagrees can catch the paws

Omni · Feb 28, 2017

He deserved another movie after Die Another Day. Terrible way to end being Bond

AoM · Feb 28, 2017

Late 90s cheese.

tuxfool · Feb 28, 2017

Eh. The World is not Enough is pretty bad too.

PROh1bited · Feb 28, 2017

Because there's only 1 good movie.

Goldeneye

Sanjuro · Feb 28, 2017

Also, his Bond songs were meh.

friskykillface · Feb 28, 2017

Goldeneye though
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hardcastlemccormick · Feb 28, 2017

I don't respect them like I respect Casino Royale, but they're really fun movies.

Except for Die Another Day which is just trash.

Frozenprince · Feb 28, 2017

His movies just never latched on. Die another day is too absurd, tomorrow never dies is dull as sin and dated, and The World is not Enough is fucking horrible. It might be my most hated bond film.

He had one GREAT movie and was a good Bond, but his films in particular were really bad

Peanut0423 · Feb 28, 2017

Goldeneye is the best Bond movie tho.

The Albatross · Feb 28, 2017

THey haven't aged well.
Goldeneye was fine, a campy Bond movie, but the three that followed were shit. And then Casino Royale came out and introduced the concept of a mostly serious Bond movie to millions of people and everybody realized it was much, much better.

It also gave us this horrible special affects scene:

https://youtu.be/6w6FV8P7HXg?t=34s

SwiftDeath · Feb 28, 2017

I blame Tomorrow Never Dies

James Bond heads to stop a media mogul's plan to induce war between China and the UK in order to obtain exclusive global media coverage.

Like what? Is James Bonds superpower to generate villains with the most convoluted plot ever?

DECK'ARD · Feb 28, 2017

this_guy · Feb 28, 2017

Golden Eye wasn't bad and it was a great N64 game.

Tomorrow never Dies was horrible. Or was it Die another Day?

RareFantasy64 · Feb 28, 2017

Not a bond fan but I really enjoy Goleneye (the film) because of the game, liking Brosnan and his Bond and liked Sean Bean's 006

I heard the Brosnan Bond films after GE get pretty cheesy, so I can see why his films aren't looked back on with fondness, but because of my love for GE, Brosnan is my Bond

Frozenprince · Feb 28, 2017

I actually like how Die another day was so silly, if the villain was better it would have been a fun movie.

Feltrol · Feb 28, 2017

Lord of Ostia said:
They aren't good films and Brosnan wasn't a good bond.

Sanjuro said:
Because his movies were shit.

Goldeneye says hello.

The Kree · Feb 28, 2017

It's the Bad Boy Records era of Bond films.

Sanjuro · Feb 28, 2017

Feltrol said:
Goldeneye says hello.

I like Goldeneye, but as a collective and even trying to not date it?

Ehhh

B-Dubs · Feb 28, 2017

They relied too much on gadgets an spectacle. Ironically he wanted his Bond to be more like what Craig is doing with the character but the studio said no.

He was a great Bond, but that era just had shit writing. Dude got hosed.

Pumpernickle Humperdink · Feb 28, 2017

I grew up on him too; Brosnan was a good Bond but his movies were hot garbage (except Goldeneye)

xevis · Feb 28, 2017

Lord of Ostia said:
They aren't good films and Brosnan wasn't a good bond.

??
Brosnan was a much better Bond than Dalton or Craig or even Moore. Probably second in my book after Connery. He's smug and sophisticated and he looks great in a suit. I mean, what else do you want?

demon · Feb 28, 2017

He's great as a pervy washed-up Bond in The Matador. Really underappreciated movie.

Frozenprince · Feb 28, 2017

SwiftDeath said:
I blame Tomorrow Never Dies

Like what? Is James Bonds superpower to generate villains with the most convoluted plot ever?

It's also got almost no action pieces. It's a looooot of talking which would be one thing if the plot wasn't completely fucking idiotic.

Fury451 · Feb 28, 2017

Madonna and Halle Berry in Die Another Day sealed that movie's fate.

ThoseDeafMutes · Feb 28, 2017

I can't tell you why other people dislike it, but I dislike it mainly because only one of the films is unambiguously good. Goldeneye was a strong start, but then TND and TWINE are both bad (aside: I like TWINE a lot more than TND but this is apparently an unpopular opinion), followed by the spectacular fuckup that was Die Another Day.

I guess, OP, the difference is simply that you think the two middle films of his series are better than a lot of other bond fans do. I mean, I'm sure most of the average moviegoers who saw those films thought they were fine. They weren't critically thrashed or anything. But the internet will often have stronger opinions about things than the mainstream will.

vocab · Feb 28, 2017

I saw TWINE in theaters and man I don't even remember it. Couldnt live up to the hype as the movie that follows Goldeneye. I never seen the one after that, but I saw bits and pieces of Die another Day, and its pretty cheesy, but I kind of like it. I have no doubt its a mess, but it had some scenes that were alright.

Lord of Ostia · Feb 28, 2017

Feltrol said:
Goldeneye says hello.

Goldeneye is good, the rest are bad and he had 4 movies. Obviously it's not all Brosnan's fault but after Goldeneye all of his films sucked.

B-Dubs · Feb 28, 2017

demon said:
He's great as a pervy washed-up Bond in The Matador. Really underappreciated movie.

Loved that movie. He's great in it.

s_mirage · Feb 28, 2017

They started off great with Goldeneye but disappointed after that. That being said, Daniel Craig's Bond films haven't exactly been uniformly stellar either. I'd probably take any of the Brosnan Bonds except Die Another Day over Spectre, and I'd even take DAD over Quantum of Solace.

massoluk · Feb 28, 2017

There was exactly one great Brosnan Bond movie and it was amazing.

Luigi87 · Feb 28, 2017

I like Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies, particularly the premise of the latter.

Don't really care for The World is Not Enough.

I hate Die Another Day though...

Mobius 1 · Feb 28, 2017

GoldenEye is great, you cretins.

Frozenprince · Feb 28, 2017

I do wish they would have let him play the character like he wanted, which was in a lot of ways a prototype for Craig's bond instead of a callback to Roger Moore, but I dislike Moore in general which I know is an unpopular opinion.

VPhys · Feb 28, 2017

Goldeneye one of the best bonds ever.

MechaX · Feb 28, 2017

Brosnan's my favorite Bond, and he has nostalgia factor for me because Goldeneye was pretty much my first Bond movie as a 90s kid.

But in no fucking way can I call the rest of his movies "not that bad."

Gaius Cassius · Feb 28, 2017

It's not that he's bad, he was quite good, though the writers didn't do much with the character (goldeneye not included). It quickly got silly and became same old same old. Goldeneye was fantastic I thought. Some Craig defenders will say that his era of films had better action and fight scenes, but come on! Rewatch Goldeneye,specifically the scene when Bond breaks out of KGB lockup and proceeds to murder dozens of (technically innocent) Russians and escapes in a freaking tank! Tomorrow Never Dies was when things began to go downhill, though the film is quite enjoyable compared to the absolute shit that World and Die another day was.

Honestly? It's a bit of a rant, but I felt that Skyfall should have been a Brosnan film. I liked the focus on Bond and M, and her back story. If you rewatch Casino Royale, you'll notice that Bond and M's relationship is exactly the same as it was established in Goldeneye. They hated eachother! Their friendship was built up over time. I just think that Brosnan when it came to their friendship, among other things, brought more to the series (as opposed to Craig, who was just blessed with better writers and being younger in his run).

daTRUballin · Feb 28, 2017

Frozenprince said:
It's also got almost no action pieces. It's a looooot of talking which would be one thing if the plot wasn't completely fucking idiotic.

What? I'm pretty sure TND had more action than Goldeneye. They tried to outdo Goldeneye by adding in more action scenes, but the movie was just a bit more ridiculous because of it. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

Sanjuro · Feb 28, 2017

The World Is Not Enough might be his best song...and it's Garbage.

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Bobby Roberts · Feb 28, 2017

daTRUballin said:
Why is Pierce Brosnan's Bond era so heavily disliked?

Because it contains 1 mediocre entry, one of the 10 worst in series history, and the worst Bond film ever made.

GoldenEye can only carry you so far.

The 90s have not aged well.

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