You have some problems if you think the game "sucked". Saying it wasn't your favorite? Totally acceptable. Saying it was disappointing to you? Reasonable enough. Saying that it was a bad game? Stupidity at its best.
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Zelda Wii U announced - "Rethink the conventions of Zelda"
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You have some problems if you think the game "sucked". Saying it wasn't your favorite? Totally acceptable. Saying it was disappointing to you? Reasonable enough. Saying that it was a bad game? Stupidity at its best.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
*plays Skyrim* Ok she's talking to me. Cool.
*cancels all other dialogue* since reading is a billion times faster than letting some random NPC blow on about arrows.
The only way they're doing that is if he talks (aloud to himself, a la Drake or something).
They need to impart info somehow to your character, even in the most isolated of situations. That's why they keep doing it.
brandonh83
Banned
The Souls games were two of my favorite games this console generation, if not my absolute favorites. But the amount in which both games gave me a Zelda fix?
Zero, and that's because they're not Zelda games. You're not in Hyrule, you're not Link, you're not puzzle solving in an array of dungeons, there's no Zelda music or Zelda charm in them, and so on.
I get that you said that you found them to be replacements, and that's fine, they're amazing games, but they don't give me a Zelda fix. Nor do they give me a Metroid or Castlevania fix. They give me a Souls fix.
I totally respect your opinion! I'm just saying, for me, there is no replacement.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Okay, I think a direct quote from the presentation makes more sense here. It should also make people read the OP to get more details.
Hey, I did read the OP! There really isn't much info in there either.
Nintendo did that with the temple of the Ocean King in Phantom Hourglass, a bunch of people screamed and whined how it was absolutely terrible.
Nintendo can't win, I hope they never listen to their so called Zelda fans ever again.
I have SS, but have only had time to play it briefly, like 1.30 h or so. Is the exploration non existant?
brandonh83
Banned
Yes, that's because it was terrible. It's possible to do this without being terrible. It was bad because of the extensive amount in which you had to return to that one dungeon. Hardly the same thing that people are suggesting.
What the hell? How did you come up with MMO? I dislike Multi a lot but Jesus people, just because something has multiplayer doesn't mean you need to start screaming MMO every damn time.
BadAss2961
Member
Whether Link talks or not, there better be voice acting in this game. Why am I asking for this in 2013?
extensive amount? it was like three times and each one was far faster than the previous one thanks to your newly acquired abilities.
People really complain just for the sake of complaining.
Could you give some examples? I could see if you're speaking literally, then sure, you could just have some text up there. But voice acting adds a shit ton to many games (when well done). It fleshes out characters, makes the experience more believable. If ANY series could benefit from awesome voice acting, it's Zelda. They have tons of different goofy characters to add personality to. Or is this one of those Nintendo defense mechanisms? "Zelda doesn't need voice acting, it wouldn't be a Zelda game then." If that's the case, I guess I'll go watch Monsters Inc. on mute with cc. Hey, voices aren't useful in 90 percent of movies either.
Oni Link 666
Member
I didn't say go back to the same dungeon 12 times.
I agree with this!! There is nothing more rewarding and satisfying, than finding something really cool or interesting, or challenging whether it is loot, a puzzle, a secret room, a cryptic clue to something etc.
I hate how in games nowadays if it is a non-linear game stuff like treasure and areas of interest are spoon fed into your eyes via a mini-map or something. The first thing I noticed on Far Cry 3 was the diamonds on the map pointing out loot, I HATED it. Make the new Zelda game promote exploration, and lots of it. Maybe include a setting that lets you choose whether you want secret stuff truly hidden, or half hidden, or pointed out :L That goes for all games though.
Also, don't hate but what is this from? Haven't owned a Nintendo console in a whileeeee
Wii U Zelda tech demo.
PC Gaming Sucks
Banned
Dayum, think I'll have to buy myself a WiiU, especially with all the announcements today.
Thanks for the info!
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Not really. I just cancel VA as much as possible in games that have it since it needlessly wastes time.
Also, Other M.
Raed my posts, I said nothing of the sort. I love TP, it's one of my favorite games ever. People really need to stop jumping to conclusions and focus on reading comprehension.
I'm not really hyped for this to be frank. Aonuma should've really been allowed to do something else, I think it's clear from the designs of the Zelda games that he has franchise fatigue. It's just ticking the boxes. Even when they did upend it a bit with Skyward Sword there didn't seem to be any heart in it and they were playing it safe in everything else. Wasn't that what Miyamoto said too, that Zelda was too important to give away to an American studio. Because god forbid they might do something interesting with it.
So there we have Aonuma yet again having to make another Zelda, even though he was done with it after WW.
I do like the idea of a more open world though; they at least got that right, that exploration and wonder is the most important thing of adventure games.
So there we have Aonuma yet again having to make another Zelda, even though he was done with it after WW.
I do like the idea of a more open world though; they at least got that right, that exploration and wonder is the most important thing of adventure games.
I'd be down with that.
I agree. It's ridiculous.
Nintendo's proven they can handle VA with Kid Icarus (along with a number of other games). If Aonuma wants to challenge the conventions of Zelda, maybe he can start with the way he presents the story as well. It's like somebody has to light a fire under his ass for him to ever change in obvious ways (orchestration).
So because Other M blew, we should never attempt VA again? You realize that one bad result doesn't invalidate many good ones, or the potential of actually progressing?
This.
Nintendo was best when it did what it wanted, when it wanted.
Don't listen to us Nintendo. Just give us the goodies like in the old days :-(
It's even worse than Twilight Princess since they punch you in the spine for even thinking about exploring the sky realm early on with those cube chests you can't open being the only worthwhile thing you can find.
You realise that to open the cube chests you'll need to explore right? So... What you're saying doesn't really make sense.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Wasting my time isn't progress.
"Every single dev must waste tons of time and money adding in a feature most people don't pay attention to! It's PROGRESS!"
Surprise me Nintendo, that's what good Zelda games are about, make the game full of surprises around every corner to help promote that good feeling of wanting to explore the world (also make sure the world is actually full of life and things to do haha). Do your thing Nintendo, give us the magic.
Most people don't pay attention to the music in their games either.
Doesn't mean that such features are useless or don't contribute to an atmosphere.
This is really backward thinking and it's exactly the type of thing that's holding Nintendo back.
You're thinking of all the ways it could go on and saying "stop," instead of thinking of all the ways it could go right and say "go ahead." Nobody says that the game has TO STOP when people start talking (which in case you haven't noticed, is currently what happens anyway when characters blab in text boxes in Zelda).
Zoramon089
Banned
Not to mention almost every time you returned new items allowed you to take shortcuts
TalesOfWin
Banned
2015 is too far away. Sigh, I will be 35 years of age that year
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
The games always STOP when people start talking.
What you're talking about isn't progress. It's mindless homogenization.
Omegasquash
Member
Not even hyped anymore. I played TP and couldn't do much of SS. Just didn't feel the same as they used to. That could be me, or it could be them.
Still though...I just don't find myself giving enough of a crap about it to get excited. I feel let down by the last two.
Still though...I just don't find myself giving enough of a crap about it to get excited. I feel let down by the last two.
So expecting characters in a world to speak using voiced dialogue, through the power afforded by modern technology and the greater capacity storage mediums than the 8-bit era, isn't progress. It's just boring homogenization.
Okay.
(And you still can have VA given while you are playing. See: Kid Icarus, Star Fox, etc. Nobody is saying the game has to stop... if only the people making the game realize this too.)
Well, this is speculation. Open world was never mentioned, but instead deduced.
Green Mamba
Member
Zelda games already "STOP" when people talk. If anything, voicing them would allow the dialogue to not stop the game, considering you wouldn't have to stop and read what the characters are saying.
I for one really want voice acting in the new Zelda. Voice acting, when done well, adds so much character to the world that otherwise can't be done. Compare the voiceless Japanese version of Dragon Quest VIII to the completely voiced localized version. The difference is night and day.
If anything the way that the characters were constantly vocalizing in Skyward Sword suggests that they may be on their way there. Ghirahim was especially ridiculous in his level of constant grunting and moaning.
Raptomex
Member
I haven't seen the direct just heard stuff on here and from friends. I would love an open world Zelda. As would I an open world Mario.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If you expect every game to have VA regardless of obvious stylistic choices not to use it, then yes, you're just wanting it because it's everywhere else.
Starfox got worse with VA.
Green Mamba
Member
The only good Star Fox was the one that introduced VA to the series.
Red Chocobo
Banned
SF64's voices were great and very memorable. I find myself still quoting it to this day.
Hell, where would the internet be without "Do a barrel roll!" and "Can't let you brew that, starbucks" memes?
sorijealut
Member
Their new Zelda idea seems like the game we've been waiting for all along ;_;
Non-linearity and Co-op?!
Let's just hope people don't complain this time! ha... haha!
Non-linearity and Co-op?!
Let's just hope people don't complain this time! ha... haha!