I actually thik it'll be a standard thing from them now on. As it seems to have met expectations, without slowing the standard version down much, if at all.
I don't think they'll ever really make a big deal out of them like MS did though.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
[golem.de with Shawn Layden] Sony bets on real PS 5 instead of console revolution
- Thread starter c0de
- Start date
I actually thik it'll be a standard thing from them now on. As it seems to have met expectations, without slowing the standard version down much, if at all.
I don't think they'll ever really make a big deal out of them like MS did though.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Navi and Zen 2 or bust. Go big or go home.
I think you'll still get it, but the game boxes will look different. Publishers will still consider it an incremental update - PS5/XB2 will just slot in higher up the chain in their PC based development process, and over a couple of years the baseline will slowly rise. PS4/XB1 will still get versions for as long as they have active userbases.
wonderful103
Member
Maybe Sony wants to be left behind again on their own island like with their online service?
Because nobody else is going to stick to the traditional generational model. Something tells me statements like these and Cerny's are poppycock made to sell hardcore gamers more boxes.
Mrklaw above me gets it. So do MS and Nintendo.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Just upgrading the CPU to something much faster than Jaguar will be the biggest leap for next gen, even if the GPU was a much smaller step up.
If they can get an 8 core Zen 2 (7mn) with a decent clock speed, it would be much better for developers, wanting to do things like 60fps and better AI ect.
8 Core Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz + 16GB RAM + 10 Tflop GPU.
By 2019 / 2020 this spec should be able to be released at a reasonable price (providing Zen 2 isn't delayed) would be a decent step up from this gen and should easily do VR and 4k / 30fps / 60fps, depending on the developers choice.
If they can get an 8 core Zen 2 (7mn) with a decent clock speed, it would be much better for developers, wanting to do things like 60fps and better AI ect.
8 Core Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz + 16GB RAM + 10 Tflop GPU.
By 2019 / 2020 this spec should be able to be released at a reasonable price (providing Zen 2 isn't delayed) would be a decent step up from this gen and should easily do VR and 4k / 30fps / 60fps, depending on the developers choice.
No we're not.
Shin
Banned
Makes you wonder if Sony will get a better deal than Microsoft from AMD, considering that they'll sell 100m+ PS4's, they got a nice record in terms of selling 100m's.
The same could happen again especially since it's them, those things might be of consideration when striking deals on top of AMD wanting to win the contract.
The same could happen again especially since it's them, those things might be of consideration when striking deals on top of AMD wanting to win the contract.
potatohead
Member
This
rakkadakka
Member
Everybody wants a new generation until they realize what that means.
Great argument.
Duxxy3
Member
8-10tf and a move to ryzen. That's my guess for the PS5.
mid-gen and new gen can work together, they are not mutually exclusive concepts.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
If Navi is anything like Vega (i.e. designed for higher clockspeeds), they could go less wide on the APU design to keep within a similar silicon budget as PS4 and push up the clocks.
I could easily see a 10-13 TFLOPS GPU in PS5 on a mature 7nm process in 2019. If they choose to launch in 2020 it could be as high as 13-15TFLOPS imho.
Okami Haundo
Member
You already have a solid line up for it's release...
RDR2E, GTAVI/DE, TLoU2, DS and the likes in glorious 4k...
Looks like you forgot Death Stranding.
A 8-10tf PS5, compared to an X1X, means a similar power gap as it exists now between PS4PRO and Scorpio . Next gen, to be truly a next gen, needs more than that.
whatevermort
Member
The big thing is going to be if they call it a new gen, but it's not. As in: will games still work on the pro? If Microsoft launch a new one at the same time where games work on the XBX at lower res or whatever, that'll be enticing for lots of people.
Chobel
Member
That's PS6
Leyasu
Banned
lol no.
That's like an upgraded PS4 Pro...PS5 is gonna be at minimum 14TF, otherwise don't even bother.
GasProblem
Member
Nice. I'm fine with a small jump with the Pro, then a bigger jump with the PS5, small jump with the PS5 Pro, bigger jump with the PS6 etc.
The OG PS4 is still fine for me. The jump to the PS5 is going to be fun.
The OG PS4 is still fine for me. The jump to the PS5 is going to be fun.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
so like Mark "Bathtub" Cerny has been saying all these years? i guess people needed a second confirmation
Shin
Banned
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/877972194755837952
Navi is probably AMD's Mega-APU ---> Overclockers3D
And if you're feeling like it you can probably crunch numbers out of this:
I still think they are gone for Nintendo and MS, maybe not Sony.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Hopefully around $399. Next gen will be a product for everyone, not a more expensive premium product like Xbox One X is, so next gen shouldn't be priced too expensive.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
$399... same as PS4 at launch. As long as the die-size and TDP are within the same ballpark as the original PS4 APU it will be fine.
Papacheeks
Banned
Do you even know wtf you're talking about?
A upgrade from Jaguar to Ryzen is fucking huge.
I don't know if we will see the same type of half-step next gen unless it focuses on the framerate, which we know doesn't market as well to consumers. It worked this time around because we're in the middle of a 4K transition. Assuming the PS5 can do native 4K easily, what impetus is there for people to buy a mid-cycle upgrade again?
Nightengale
Member
Go back and listen to how they defined what generation meant to them
Fresh reset of libraries/accessories/etc every new hardware release is how they see generations. So what they mean by generationless is that all future Xbox will support OLDER GAMES/ACCESSORIES and digital/physical libraries from previous gen will be playable-carry forward to future Xbox devices.
But don't expect Xbox One to be able to play Halo 7/Gears 6/Forza X/games made for a an Xbox product that was chosen to be the cut-off point for new games.
Introducing: PS5 - powered with the Molecule Processor.
Your Remasters just got Grandremastered.
How do we know the next Xbox won't be a "One"?
I think Microsoft's plan was to release a new One console in a few years, cut off the OG XBO and have the One X become the new base.
Were forward and backward compatibility not the main ideas behind their "nbeyond generations" message?
Leyasu
Banned
Chill Penguin
Member
I agree, but to hit that at a reasonable cost I think we're waiting until 2020 minimum. This talk about ps5 in 2018 is a pipe dream unless people want an underpowered console.
Nightengale
Member
Obviously, I have no proof. Just guesses.
We can revisit this in a few years time, whether I'm right or I'm wrong.
Backward-compatibility was the main idea. They did not promise forward-compatibility.
Forward-compatibility is only within the family of products (Xbox One can play all games for Xbox One X because they're part of the One family.)
Sony made sure you know the difference between a new-gen and a mid-gen. With Pro reveal they didn't make a big deal out of it basically no hype from them and definitely very little marketing dollars going towards pro to make sure you know it's STILL a ps4. With ps5 we will see the night and day difference with how they talk about ps5 and reveal it because they want you to know it's a new gen...
DriftingSpirit
Member
2020, at the earliest.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/877972194755837952
Navi is probably AMD's Mega-APU ---> Overclockers3D
And if you're feeling like it you can probably crunch numbers out of this:
I dunno... I think this Exascale GPU concept is much further out and also will likely be targeted at server segments.
It's even stated in the paper that one of the goals of the design is to overcome the issues with increasingly larger die sizes.
Larger die sizes don't really benefit consoles. Equally, the "multi-APU connected by interposer" design seems much better suited to server type workloads than consoles. In a games context I would imagine a traditional APU design would of the same die-size would end up being more efficient that this on console workloads, as the execution units need less syncing with data having to be continually moved "off-APU" between each "micro-APU" on the chip.
I think Navi will be a new architecture and a game-changer (I suspect it'll be designed around the 1+TB/s bandwidth that HBM3 can provide - as opposed to Polaris and Vega which are designed to conserve memory bandwidth at all costs), but I don't think that this exascale processor is it.
Greatest Ever
Member
Why? Nothing wrong with it.
MisterR
Member
More people aren't fearing buying digital on PS4. Sales are increasing every year. Solid concern trolling though. They aren't going to give details on a console 3 years out.
Shin
Banned
- Scalability
- Next Gen Memory
Hippopuncher12
Member
100% chance it will be.