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Console War III: Sony's first jab at Microsoft: "Jump Out", "Yoga Isn't Gaming"
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astroturfing
Member
this isn't funny. think of all the victims of console wars.. the terrible agony and suffering of the innocents.
i'm taking a stand.
i'm taking a stand.
He said lineup he never specified if they were first party.
Also those first party titles are what allowed Kinect to sell like it did....
If we are going to go first party they aren't even close to 80%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Microsoft_Studios
yurinka
Member
Yep, Move also has shovelware like any other platform but in addition to this do AAA games like Killzone 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Little Big Planet 2, Heavy Rain or Resident Evil 5 support Kinect?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Nor should they. Motion controls dilute the gaming experience.
Baconsammy
Banned
This reminds me of
That was funny, but the resulting gif that I can no longer find anymore was better. Essentially the Xbox boat logo red rings and sinks Titanic style. Sure the PS3 sucked at launch, but it was a winning gif.
Strawman, this discussion has nothing to do with AAA Kinect support but how many Kinect only games compromise Xbox's lineup.
While I agree, people never seem to stop praising just how much better Move makes Killzone, RE5 and Heavy Rain. Although IMO the latter 2 are only improved so much because their basic controls are so fucking shitty compared to other games. I mean you have to walk in Heavy Rain by holding the trigger down or some stupid shit.
Did you even see which post I quoted?
That was a good design choice in HR. It was deliberate. There is a video out there somewhere explaining it. Are you also one of the people who didn't like that you had to contort your fingers to match all the QTEs?
Nope, I have long and flexible fingers and relatively big hands in general. But putting the walking on anything but the stick was a horrible decision. Cage probably thought he had some grand artistic vision behind it like he seems to with everything he does, but much like how he handled HR's script, that doesn't mean it's not a horrible idea
Miles Quaritch
Member
Indeed. I have actually played Killzone 3 with move and while I do admit it makes aiming easier (this is mainly due to the game feeling very laggy using a DS3), it's still not as accurate or as responsive as the mouse it is attempting to replicate. It's a novel idea, but one that's extremely limited and serves no purpose to gaming outside of providing a novel, but ultimately useless control option.
See above.
yurinka
Member
Obviously not. I asked if Kinect also supports high quality AAA traditional hardcore games like Move does. All platforms have shovelware.
I suggest you to check TTP's videos to see how they work :
http://www.youtube.com/user/Waggle3D?feature=watch
Baconsammy
Banned
Yes.
I'm glad I misread that because.... wow...
Yes it does Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Forza Motorsport and Mass Effect to name a few.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Tell me about! I used to love when companies like Coke ad Pepsi mocked each other in their ads, and Sony had a few really good jabs at Saturn and Nintendo back in the PSone days.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
?? Yes? It's a guy posting a list of Sony bragging quotes and then saying "Welcome Back, Sony" as in "I see you're still pulling the same ego-trip smack-talk stuff you did before you got your butt handed to you and went humble for a few years". You described it as cherry picking.
I'm almost sure that SCE published much more shovelware for PS Move than MS did for Kinect.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I don't need to watch anything to see how they work. I have first hand experience and it is my belief that they dilute the gaming experience.
It's perfectly fine if you disagree, I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone, nor should you try your opinion on me and anyone else who might disagree.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Sony can fuck off telling me what is or is not gaming. I'll determine that for myself.
Haha.
Haha.
CadetMahoney
Member
Sony shunning the casuals away. . . doesn't sound like a good idea. Giving the casuals to MS on a platter, since Nintendo doesn't look in a good position to win them.
yoga isnt gaming probably refers to casual gaming
and you got that from a sentence
lol
and you got that from a sentence
lol
CadetMahoney
Member
So you're saying casual gaming isn't being referred to in a derogatory way?
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
You are missing the point of the original argument and you are veering away from the discussion at hand. My analogy had nothing to do with the value of automobiles vs gaming consoles, handhelds and PCs in dollars. It basically was pointing out the redundancy of owning many versions of a material good that basically serves the same purpose as an object. (If you can get your gaming kicks from a Wii a gaming PC, and say an iOS or an android device... Do you really need to own the rest of the hardware in gaming to be not deemed as a fanboy?)
Now if you were a hard core enthusiast and a collector you may own many cars, or motorcycles or stamps for that matter, but let us not lose focus here by comparing the dollar value of cars vs. motorbikes vs stamps.
To bring you back to what I was arguing against was that the poster who was arguing the juvenile aspects of fanboyism. In his words, in his opinion: Fanboyism only exists because said gamers are young, immature, poor and they do not have enough allowance, or pocket money to purchase (again in his words) "A PS3, Xbox 360, A Wii (U)...A gaming PC, a Vita and a 3DS." (I think that was all of them) yes! that's what he said if you bother to go back a few pages and look for his post...
I mean, if you cannot see the ludicrous world view of that statement, then maybe we can stop this discussion right here, as I wont need to waste further of my time with you.
Not every responsible adult who is passionate about video gaming and is well off financially has any interest in owning every single gaming hardware that is out there right now, to say otherwise is just plain stupid.
Now, I understand this is Gaming Age Forum, where most likely there are people here that are equally passionate about gaming as say Jay Leno is to classic cars. This is the Mecca, no doubt, and I am sure there are some crazy gaming hardware enthusiast here who own everything. But that does not represent your average gamer of even GAFer, does it?
And it definitely has nothing to do with the term fanboism, does it? could you not be an adult with a high paying job and own everything and still be loyal to certain corporation? (gaming console?hardware) Yes or no? that was all I was arguing against.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Retail?
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royal
Book of Spells
Sorcery
Not sure what other new IP they released at retail.
yurinka
Member
Voice commands that can be done with any mic as a lot of other games proved aren't motion gaming. Instead, Forza would be a good example since it uses motion gaming for the main gameplay.
Valkyria
Banned
My point is that you can be a family man and get all the console, and even not being on the internet.
Kinect actually takes part in interpreting the voice commands so no, not every mic would work.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
YESSSSSSSSS
Sony is back witha vengeance hahaha roll on the good times....
Sony is back witha vengeance hahaha roll on the good times....
(Third Console War)
Miles Quaritch
Member
While voice commands can be done via any mic, they always fail to be as well implemented as they are with Kinect. This is evidenced by how poorly implemented and executed the voice commands were in Binary Domain.,
The reason why voice commands work so well with those games using Kinect is due to the excellent SDK microsoft provide to developers.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
Wii Fit series sells 45 million copies, Sony spits on exercise game category they started. Smart.
I seriously doubt that Sony is going to shun casual gaming. More likely they are just taking advantage of the obnoxious stupidity of a specific niche of their consumers who need to feel like their tastes are superior.
I seriously doubt that Sony is going to shun casual gaming. More likely they are just taking advantage of the obnoxious stupidity of a specific niche of their consumers who need to feel like their tastes are superior.
Metalmurphy
Member
One bad example doesn't really mean much.
They worked fine for End War, and that RainbowSix game.
The S in SDK is the keyword here. It can be done without Kinect just fine.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I've yet to play either, so I will have to take your word for it. The fact does still remain though, kinect and the SDK offered by Microsoft does make implementing voice commands a much easier process than it would otherwise be.
Metalmurphy
Member
Easier, yes, better, maybe not. End War has a much more impressive Voice Recognition system then everything I've seen on Kinect so far.
You can play the entire game with voice commands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPlKA5LjApI#t=2m20s
Voice controls on End War were a joke and RainbowSix was very limited.
Clearly you've never sat down to play EndWar with voice commands, terrible experience. Kinect's voice commands might not be great but they are no where near as bad as End War's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfzubVa9QC8
Metalmurphy
Member
Now that's just absolute bullshit, on both accounts.
Depends on what your definition of limited is. What Kinect game has a less limited voice control?
End War recognizes phrases up to 5 words and does it well. All I've seen in Kinect games is like 3 max.
Kinect and Move are different kinds of motion controls. Move/Wiimote are perfect for FPS games.
Really? Denial much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfzubVa9QC8
Kinect is only limited to the commands that developers decide to put into games, beyond that Kinect itself will interpret any command that they want.
Yes. Everyone does this. You see it on half the commercials on TV "Our dish soap is 15% more soap than the leading brand" and you can always tell who they mean cause "leading brand" uses same colour scheme as some popular product.
Reggie just did this shit a few months ago when he said Wii U versions of multiplats are vastly superior when most of them were WORSE than a console that came out in 2005.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That doesn't look particularly impressive to me and I'm not seeing anything that's better than how voice commands work with Kinect.
using voice commands in Skyrim for example works wonderfully, the voice commands in Dead Space 3 are also very well implemented. Both of these games use voice commands to complement the gameplay, which is by far the most important aspect of voice commands.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Pretty sure they aren't condemning all of casual gaming with that yoga line, but pointing out and criticizing ms' heavy push toward the casual market lately, as sort of a way to say "hey don't forget about your hardcore users who you built your brand on. We will nurture ours."
Seriously not getting what all the fuss is about. I feel like this is Sega ads in GamePro magazines days again. Love it.
Seriously not getting what all the fuss is about. I feel like this is Sega ads in GamePro magazines days again. Love it.
Metalmurphy
Member
Really? A parody review? Yep I'm gonna take that ultra seriously!
And they worked just fine for me. And how about you the video I posted with a guy that doesn't even have a very good English accent?
That's completely irrelevant to the discussion though isn't it? How they're implemented is up to the developers, not the technology.
I'm glad you have a good experience with them but for me they were complete crap, I felt like I was trying to tell the kid from Mercury Rising how to command my troops.
The technology is what allows it to work as good as it does....
What games did you played with Kinect voice recognition?
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