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Neo Geo games coming to Nintendo Switch
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OrbitalBeard
Member
I don't believe anything's been announced yet beyond Neo Turf Masters.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Good to know. Compared it to a bunch of controllers and the PS4 d-pad feels practically mushy in comparison. Not sure where mine falls on the spectrum of stiffness but it is definitely not unusable.
But it's not a Neo Geo game.
moltonasty
Member
Windjammers needs to be ported to every console. And I'll buy it each and every time.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Did a second pass on this. Will probably do one more unless anything else is found and then send it over to Hamster. Would like to give Neo Turf Masters a look before sending, as well.
Excessive slowdown in Metal Slug 3? As in moreso than on the real hardware? I find that hard to believe.
The Metal Slug games tend to run better on emulators than the real hardware, because emulators can cheat and run the virtual CPU at a higher clock speed. So if one is used to playing Metal Slug on emulators they may be falsely thinking that sluggishness might be caused by poor emulation, but that's actually an accurate rendition of how it's supposed to run.
It gets even worse with 2 players. I played through the game with a friend on my consolized MVS, and some parts like the stage 1 boss slow down to a fucking crawl.
The Metal Slug games tend to run better on emulators than the real hardware, because emulators can cheat and run the virtual CPU at a higher clock speed. So if one is used to playing Metal Slug on emulators they may be falsely thinking that sluggishness might be caused by poor emulation, but that's actually an accurate rendition of how it's supposed to run.
It gets even worse with 2 players. I played through the game with a friend on my consolized MVS, and some parts like the stage 1 boss slow down to a fucking crawl.
SmiteOfHand
Member
People earlier in the thread were saying it is excessive so why I am calling out for specific examples. I don't have access to the original hardware, but going by memory (not the greatest method) nothing stands out as excessive to me, either. I don't want to bother calling Hamster out on it unless there are specific examples.
"NEO TURF MASTERS" is a golf game released by SNK in 1996. Players can choose from a total of six golfers with different abilities and play on courses located around the world such as Australia or Germany. Players can test out their golf game skills against friends with game modes such as "STROKE PLAY" and "MATCH PLAY (2P battle only)".
Makes it sound like it's 2P only. Not true, right? I can play vs. CPU?
Makes it sound like it's 2P only. Not true, right? I can play vs. CPU?
Lemmy Caution
Member
I believe Match play (where the hold ends once player sinks the putt at a lower score and it just tracks how many holes you win, not your overall score) is 2P only.
The rest of the game should be 1 player and Stroke play versus CPU
BummerThanks for letting me know. Hope then Switch gets Puzzle Bobble or one of the Magical Drops, those were really addicting specially in multiplayer.
man, Puzzle Bobble would be great. one of my favorites.
Thanks - that's what I was hoping. The wording of the the is ambiguous and had me a little worried. Planning to grab this today.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Thank you for doing this!
chaobreaker
Member
I am primarily a pad player on PC fighters so I'm used to that thumb position. I have the calluses to prove it. Still struggling on the joycon.
Probably wouldn't if this port had practice mode.
The game has more slowdown on the Switch than on the Wii VC from what I've noticed.
Yeah, I REALLY wish it had a practice mode. I want to practice with a couple of characters since I don't know their moves and would really like to mess around with them to get better.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
KOF98 is missing the opening vocals.
SmiteOfHand
Member
You bet your ass it's good!
Thank you! I knew there was something missing.
Not ideal but set time limit to slowest and have a dummy second player. Much easier if you have a second controller, but you can flip it back and forth in the OS menu if you only have joy cons.
It's VERY any good!
If you like run n' gun shooters (e.g. Commando, Ikari Warriors), it's an excellent example of the genre.
Yeah, but that's an updated version of Windjammers by DotEmu with online and all that
I don't think that rules out a potential straight port release for the Switch, but apparently there rights around Windjammers were all mixed up given that it's a DataEast joint.
Anyways, Shock Troopers might be my next pick up after I beat Blaster Master Zero
cireza
Banned
If you are to contact Hamster, then please also include what I have been explaining concerning ratio and scanlines.
They must allow exactly x4 original resolution (their 100 ratio being based on x3 resolution does not allow exact x4 original resolution).
For x4, they should offer a much better scanlines pattern. You can see it in my post here :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231580781&postcount=245
The pattern I am talking about is to the right of the picture.
Sure, it takes some efforts to do what I ask, but when you are meant to display 240p games on 1080p screens, having a proper x4 resolution and good scanlines looks like the least developers should do.
Their current solution is fine for the Switch screen (as it is 720p). So ratio = 100 (x3) and their scanlines pattern is ok for this. Not for 1080p gaming on TV.
SmiteOfHand
Member
I've been meaning to take a bunch of screenshots and do better analysis after declaring 150/scanline disabled "good enough" so thank you for pointing this out. Will dig in this afternoon.
cireza
Banned
Great, I am counting on you !
iamaustrian
Member
seriously,how many frames has the turf master golf player animation??
that must be the smoothest animation of any 2D game ever.
holy shit
that must be the smoothest animation of any 2D game ever.
holy shit
I know, right??? I wasn't familiar with this game, so I checked it out on YT. I saw the golf club swing animation and was like "Damn, that's impressive!"
Yes, definitely, Level 1 is way too easy for that game, Level 3 is the most balanced in difficulty since that's the real normal difficultly while Level 4 is closer to hard.
This is true for all KOF games from 1994 to 2003.
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
Are the issues in these glaring? I want to jump on Metal Slug 3 (since I buy it on almost every platform available) but im worried abour the shooting problems.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Neo Turf Masters has the audio delay. Didn't notice anything else obvious in the 40 whole seconds I played. Hell of a game. If you like golf games even a tiny bit you should absolutely check it out.
imo, the audio delay is the worst issue, and that is going to effect everyone differently. Watch the video from the list above. If you don't notice it in the full motion sections then you will be fine. I think this is one of those things like framerate where some people say 30/60 looks barely any different and for some it is an ocean.
imo, the audio delay is the worst issue, and that is going to effect everyone differently. Watch the video from the list above. If you don't notice it in the full motion sections then you will be fine. I think this is one of those things like framerate where some people say 30/60 looks barely any different and for some it is an ocean.
I bought Metal Slug 3 and I thought it was fine. I don't even notice the audio issues and wouldn't have even known they were there if it wasn't for this thread. Still, I've put a few hours into the game and I'm happy with my purchase. I don't think anyone who really likes the game or the genre will be unhappy with it.
They'd probably charge the same amount regardless, so I don't think it really matters. Do these games have save states and the same UI across the board?
I'm genuinely curious about these games. I'm not much of a fighting games guy, but I have wanted to try Neo Geo classics for some time...what are the best to jump in on that are on Switch right now?
So it's probably more accurate than the Wii VC emulator then.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Well... I took a bunch of screenshots and then loaded them up only to remember the screenshot feature adds a ton of jpeg artifacts. They are not entirely worthless, but it does make sub-pixel noise difficult to be precise about. This is the best I could figure out though I forgot to enable widescreen to make the math easier, and am cropping using a laptop touchpad sooo.. not ideal, work with me here. I am going to redo it all pulling direct samples out of HDMI this weekend.
100x100 = 576x448 = 2x
133x100 = 766x594 = 2.66x
150x100 = 864x672 = 3x
160x100 = 922x717 = 3.2ish
161x100 = This tops it out at 720p
The curious thing is this seems to be true regardless of TV or handheld mode. Which would mean that it always renders 720p and scales up to 1080p (blargh) in TV mode, or possibly the screenshot just uses 720p no matter what. I'll know more when I take better shots.
In short, if you care about pixels even a tiny bit the only settings to play on are 100x100 (2x) and 150x100 (3x). 150 should work pretty well for scanlines depending on how they do it (I didn't dig much into the scaline screenshots, I'm tired and these shots suck anyway), but this may all go out the window when I see what is really happening at 1080p.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I know the size of the display settings for portable mode should be 150 but what about the number underneath it(ratio)???
Is 100 the best setting for that in portable mode???
Just saw the post above, haha, got it.
Is 100 the best setting for that in portable mode???
Just saw the post above, haha, got it.
b00_thegh0st
Member
I read somewhere that Switch screenshots were all 720p whatever the docked resolution is. Can't find the source.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I can back up that metal slug 3 claim, im glad it isnt just me, I have so much trouble just trying to autofire, I thought the slowdown was part of the game though, like a 1:1 port, but I guess its actuallyisnt suppose to be like that im guessing from your post, also, though it hasent done it the last time i played, it still took like 2 seconds before it exists out of the pause menu
I played the original Metal Slug 3 on an actual NeoGeo back in the day (my friend has one with all original carts) and it would slowdown something fierce. Sometimes you'd be on the verge of getting screenshots. It was insane. I don't think people remember the original games on original hardware. My friend always said it was a "feature". Yeah...
It's not but is not really far off graphically.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
The only thing I don't like about Shock Troopers is that it's too good.
Shame it uses the same swing for tee shot and a shot just off the green.
chaobreaker
Member
Can you play these Neo Geo games with a single joycon? I want to do multiplayer Neo Turf Masters with the pair I already have.
EDIT: I forgot to add that I'm adjusting to the D-Pad for KOF but it hurts rolling my thumb between the button gaps. Would 100% prefer a normal D-pad at this point.
EDIT: I forgot to add that I'm adjusting to the D-Pad for KOF but it hurts rolling my thumb between the button gaps. Would 100% prefer a normal D-pad at this point.
Yes, at least in the case of Shock Troopers. Just finished a session with my brother.
Diablohead
Member
Looking on the eshop and fugging TURF MASTERS is available!? such an amazing golf game i'm really REALLY tempted.
OnionPowder
Member
I was just coming into this thread to sing the praises for this game.
It fits PERFECT on the switch. The Joy-cons are already a great fit for a neo geo controller but playing this outside with my buddy in tabletop mode was a blast.
Music is fucking killer as well.