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Notch calls out Yogscast as "an isolated island of egos".
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Sephiroth503
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You're kidding right? He tweeted a number of highly damaging claims that as of right now are unsubstantiated. It is even worse when the people he is accusing cannot respond.
Their interview with Notch:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeqODZQCKyI
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly96dGd2LA
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeqODZQCKyI
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly96dGd2LA
It really seems like he wasn't willing to go into details - except that the side he did not want to work with again was the Yogscast - but then Yogscast fans' reaction to him name-dropping them pissed him off enough to drop a few events, whether he experienced them personally or someone he knows did.
Because, come on, we can all agree that the majority of the Yogscast fanbase sucks.
That's just ridiculous.
Sure, he's entitled to do whatever he wants, but lets look at the two possible outcomes.
1) He was right. Though I see no way of proving this one way or the other, let's assume he is. Do you think he's going to gain respect or sales based on this event? Absolutely not. The rah-rah from fans of his is basically worthless in the long run.
2) He was wrong. Now he has a bunch of people mad at him and a good source of publicity for him no longer wants anything to do with him.
I understand he may have been personally offended. But it's unprofessional behavior. I recall there was some incident with a guy at Silicon Knights who also got a little too close to his fans. I'm not saying it's a golden rule, but at some point a creator has to draw the line at how much of his personal stuff he makes public.
Stabby McSter
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Alright, who is totalbiscuit? I'm now lost. 
Zomba13
Member
Darkerkamikaze
Member
Well that was awkward.
Treefingers
Member
A cynical brit who does gaming videos on YouTubeAlright, who is totalbiscuit? I'm now lost.
MomoPufflet
Member
Wait wait-- they did those? Those were some of the funniest commentary videos I've ever seen. I'm glad you pointed that out; at least I have a point of reference now.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
When I see how popular stuff like this really is I'm reminded of how many fellow Brits are complete dumb fucks.
I won't jump to conclusions about how Simon & Lewis may have behaved, will have to wait to hear their responses. Some of Notch's claims sound pretty fishy or out of context. What I know for sure though is that Notch's twitter tirade was extremely unprofessional, as is par for the course from him. His twitter account is extremely high profile because it's the primary source for all Minecraft news, and he's using it as a soapbox to launch personal attacks on people.
blazeuk
Member
Not to say Minecraft is popular because of them (it certainly became popular of its own merit), but Yogscast has a pretty huge following, it's hardly the best business decision to air it all out on twitter, especially when Minecraft has only just "officially" been released.
Everything coming out of Mojang at this time should be as positive as possible, now it's basically drawn all this negative publicity into it and possibly caused a split between people who follow Yogscast and those who side with Mojang.
If it turns into abit of a public argument, it does no good for either of them really. When you think of Yogscast, its easy to think they're just a little youtube channel and that it wouldn't matter to Mojang, but their videos get hundreds of thousands of views, their main story videos get into the millions. It certainly doesnt give them the right to act like assholes (if thats the case), but when they're such a good (free) source of advertisement for your game, it's something that should be seriously considered before making a twitter rant over it.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
That reddit story is pretty damning.
MomoPufflet
Member
there are not enough plainfaces
Oh I agree, I think a lot of those subscriptions come from the charity work though as I recall seeing that guy on tv doing some sort of song for children in need or something.
Alex
Member
The biggest surprise I took away was that they apparently have such a large and vocal fan base. Total biscuit I understand, does great work especially at trade shows and niche coverage as well as consistent coverage of certain titles but lately all I see from yogscast is somewhat creepy Minecraft narrative or Increasingly bland "let's plays" of very random games.
Yogs did have fantastic cataclysm beta coverage though.
Yogs did have fantastic cataclysm beta coverage though.
Ok, now I'm definitely with Notch.
Anyone totalbiscuit agrees with just HAS to be a total asshole.
Zomba13
Member
That is pretty much what I think, that there was a misunderstanding. Like people not knowing the guys were joking and thinking they were serious and then telling others how they were being dicks and it got back to Notch.
Ok, now I'm definitely with Notch.
Anyone totalbiscuit agrees with just HAS to be a total asshole.
Just checked out his Twitter.
Yeah, I don't know who Yogcast is, but dudes like this just don't help any arguments they (Yog dudes) might have.
This is not Athene, where's the yelling about how great he is, and all the science?
His mum does the yelling now...
http://www.youtube.com/user/AtheneWins#p/u/7/zCHeh-oi2_E
Treefingers
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Check out his videos, his style of sarcasm doesn't really translate to text. He's a smart guy and often does really in-depth, thought-out criticisms of games.
I bet Minecraft was/is more of an advertisement for Yogscast than the other way around.
These guys are just a bunch of glorified, dime-a-dozen Let's Play joke characters. Yeah, I've enjoyed many of their videos, but it was my enthusiasm for Minecraft that led me to their videos. If anything, Yogscast not doing Minecraft stuff would hurt modders more than Mojang.
All this isn't to say I think Yogscast are dicks. I'm going to wait and see what they have to say, but I don't think this'll affect Mojang too much, especially considering notch is a pretty transparent guy. I don't think he'd lie about this shit.
Gentleman Jack
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Oh dang it's Old Grandma Hardcore (sfw I assure you)...well maybe the language isn't SFW, wear headphones.
Interficium
Banned
A cynical brit who does gaming videos on YouTube
How original!
GarthVaderUK
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Yup, he has a great channel.
Crescendo170
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This sounds like the yogscast joking around to me. Inapropriate and stupid, but it's the yogscast after all. I can kind of see why'd they want to get payed too, concidering it's fucking expensive to travel to the US and they most likely aren't millionaires like Notch. I don't think the Yogscast-guys are innocent at all, but I'll reserve jugements until they've gotten a chance to respond.
"Internet fame?"
"Twitter 'battles'?"
God damn, I feel old.
I don't have any particular affection for Minecraft, and I have no idea who the Yogcast dudes are, but what I find troubling is when people make statements like "well, XXX is rich and successful enough to say and do what they please." No, that's not why they are free to say and do what they please. As human beings, we are all free to live our lives as we see fit, given that we aren't causing harm to other individuals. You don't have to be "rich," or "successful" to enjoy the right of stating your opinion to other people, even publicly on...Twitter. *snicker*.
"Twitter 'battles'?"
God damn, I feel old.
I don't have any particular affection for Minecraft, and I have no idea who the Yogcast dudes are, but what I find troubling is when people make statements like "well, XXX is rich and successful enough to say and do what they please." No, that's not why they are free to say and do what they please. As human beings, we are all free to live our lives as we see fit, given that we aren't causing harm to other individuals. You don't have to be "rich," or "successful" to enjoy the right of stating your opinion to other people, even publicly on...Twitter. *snicker*.
Lazlo Woodbine
Member
Yeah I totally agree with the points he brings up. I think there was some serious mis-communication/lack of understanding going on.
The fact that Notch took this to twitter makes the whole thing seem even more unprofessional.
I'm going to admit... I bought Minecraft pretty much solely on the back of watching the Yogscast. The first season really sells it.
Its really gone downhill with this whole shadow of Israphal or whatever though, it was hilarious when it was just them exploring the game and having fun, now its just like watching two people being forced to play a shitty RPG. I can quite easily imagine them being very annoying in real life, alpha male nerds are the worst.
That said the ending poem is hilariously awful.
Its really gone downhill with this whole shadow of Israphal or whatever though, it was hilarious when it was just them exploring the game and having fun, now its just like watching two people being forced to play a shitty RPG. I can quite easily imagine them being very annoying in real life, alpha male nerds are the worst.
That said the ending poem is hilariously awful.
blahblah...blah
Member
I'm going to try and not sound horrible when I say this, but the aftermath of all this (I don't know what actually happened at the event itself) is quite possibly one of the most sad and pathetic things I've seen. There's a load of "YouTube celebrities" picking sides, this Totalbiscuit guy defending the Yogscast people, saying he "got them their YouTube partnership", calling other games video-makers who sided with Notch "shitty friends", etc. Then there's the horrible interview between the two parties which is as awkward as can be. And now there's threads about it everywhere.
Who are all these people with such hugely inflated views of themselves? Notch has done something hugely impressive, granted, but people making money by recording themselves playing games (including a game that Notch made!) and then acting as if they're big-shots. Horrifically cringe-inducing.
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SHOCKER - party put on by nerdy people for nerdy people is nerdy. As if this guy is some LA socialite who only goes to clubs with table service and $500 bottles of champagne. I'm a cynical Brit, and I think this guy is a cunt.
Who are all these people with such hugely inflated views of themselves? Notch has done something hugely impressive, granted, but people making money by recording themselves playing games (including a game that Notch made!) and then acting as if they're big-shots. Horrifically cringe-inducing.
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TotalBiscuit said:
SHOCKER - party put on by nerdy people for nerdy people is nerdy. As if this guy is some LA socialite who only goes to clubs with table service and $500 bottles of champagne. I'm a cynical Brit, and I think this guy is a cunt.
This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd5sUfTLhCU
Yeah it was pretty bad. Maybe Notch was butthurt over it? Assuming he was writing that ending meant to be taken seriously.
That's pretty much my view on this whole thing. (I had never heard of "Yogscast" before)
One funny thing about all of this is that in some sense the egotistic party isn't Yogscast at all...
- they wanted to cross out my name
- they claimed I wasn't the only one responsible for Minecraft's success
- they critized my ability to run my company
- I am Notch and I am hella mad
Also any critisism on the F-Bomb falls to deaf ears when it comes from a man who made "I fucked your mother" jokes for a YouTube video just a day before.
- they wanted to cross out my name
- they claimed I wasn't the only one responsible for Minecraft's success
- they critized my ability to run my company
- I am Notch and I am hella mad
Also any critisism on the F-Bomb falls to deaf ears when it comes from a man who made "I fucked your mother" jokes for a YouTube video just a day before.
Complex Shadow
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Man I would be pissed if someone said they were going put an x over an autograph then put fuck you under it. That kinda shit isn't funny joke or not.
It's Serious Business.
Inviting people to your event and not expecting them to be themselves is silly. It's as if he invited them solely because he heard they were popular and never bothered to watch their videos since he seems pretty shocked at their behavior.
I actually don't think that's why the afterparty was a joke. It's more to do with the fact that the bouncers at the party wouldn't even let Minecon people in, instead letting in rich people, "VIPs" and women for them to hook up with. Even some Mojang staff weren't allowed in. Sounded like a massive douchefest to me, to be honest.
I think there's a difference between making a video with f-bombs in it, and telling a kid that you'll scribble out notch's signature and write "fuck you" there instead.
To be able to twist these events into this post you're either completely insane, have some overwhelming hatred of Minecraft/Notch, and/or a Yogscast fanboy. Either way it makes you look like a fool.
Well actually it seems the party was quite the opposite of nerdy: (from RPS)
Really wish people would at least take the time to do some background research on the stuff they comment on before they open their mouths.
As for the actual topic at hand, I find internet drama fascinating and I can't wait for the next episode in this story to develop. Yogscast must have done something, whether intentional or not, to cause this kind of fuss, but Notch rally needs to get a PR manager other than that useless "Director of Fun" to help control him.
Nothing much will come out of this anyway, Yogscast are unlikely to lose subs unless the quality of their content drops significantly, and Notch, is well, just being Notch.
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