Had to google that and yeah, its real easy to do with those images. One of the stills I saw is just Donald reading Mein Kampf.
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Charlyne Yi accuses David Cross of being racist toward her
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Had to google that and yeah, its real easy to do with those images. One of the stills I saw is just Donald reading Mein Kampf.
Eh we just say Filipino Ancestry. I was being nitpicky but more in an elbowey nudge kind of way.
Still its easy to assume Chinese with Yi. But theres lots of Filipinos with Chinese ancestry. Like Malaysians.
To weigh in on the Rashomon thing:
It could be used in good faith or in bad faith, but part of the accusation was that he made mock Chinese noises at her and asked her if she was going fight him with karate. It's harder for me to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding him not mocking an East Asian woman by shouting random stereotypical Asian things at her when he ends up his response with a random Asian thing.
I can't say with confidence why he said it, but at best, he could have been a lot smarter about his response.
It could be used in good faith or in bad faith, but part of the accusation was that he made mock Chinese noises at her and asked her if she was going fight him with karate. It's harder for me to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding him not mocking an East Asian woman by shouting random stereotypical Asian things at her when he ends up his response with a random Asian thing.
I can't say with confidence why he said it, but at best, he could have been a lot smarter about his response.
ChubbyHuggs
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Okay thank you for the feedback, will edit and sorry again for earlier confusion.
Ooof that "apology"; christ D.Cross, just take the L. How hard is it to just say you fucked up and have grown and since come to understand how such language can be harmful and yadda yadda. Making some huffy post that reads like you're annoyed you had to open up your Note app and type a 500 character half-apology for once in your life, only to end it with 'MAYBE WE'RE BOTH WRONG hashtag roshomon' really just cements Yi's accusation that you're kind of a dildo.
I'm not familiar with the film (I've seen a few other Kurosawa films but not that one), but I am loath to give this guy the benefit of the doubt when the rest of his "apology" is such a disaster (which we do agree on).
That is super fucked up if true. Like unreal.
There's enough bullshit here that you don't really need to create more by reaching.
benicillin
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I don't think it's reaching, and I think I've explained several times why over the course of the thread.
Alexander DeLarge
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DaytimeWhiskey
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Just fucking own it. Even if you really don't remember doing it. "I would like to think I am not capable of blatant and potentially hurtful racism that isn't intended to be seen in a comedic light, but it's entirely possible that I was unaware of how stupid I was being or how terrible what I might have said was and for that I am sorry."
It's not hard, telling her you're not calling her a liar but she's wrong is the worst way to go about this and absolutely do not fucking follow it with a hashtag that has even a 5% chance of proving how either racist or dense you are
It's not hard, telling her you're not calling her a liar but she's wrong is the worst way to go about this and absolutely do not fucking follow it with a hashtag that has even a 5% chance of proving how either racist or dense you are
excelsiorlef
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Man Cross managed to use the I don't remember excuse even poorer than Devin Faraci
BotoxAgent
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He's hilarious but would not be suprised at all if he's a total racist douchenozzle
putting on an accent while making racist remarks directly to other people does not make it okay. sure, context is important, but Charlyne is saying here that it was inappropriate and hurtful.
All David had to do was apologize sincerely, and instead of doing that, he cast doubt over the entire situation and even went so far as to imply there is no true version of past events without evidence by bringing up this dumb Rashomon bullshit.
How hard is it to just say, "I was a dumbass. I behaved like a dumbass. At the time it didn't occur to me how my behavior could cause you harm. I regret it now that I am aware of the harm I caused. I ask for forgiveness and will try to do better."
FlashbladeGAF
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He hash-tagged an asian movie, which in turn put most of the focus on it instead of the apology.
he might as well had said
#sorry, not sorry
Fuck that, don't apologize for something you didn't do. Especially something this contentious and public. His response is awful though, don't know what he was thinking.
something you didn't do? or something you don't recall doing? the distinction is important here.
ebullientprism
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I am not seeing the problem here. If he doesnt remember this and genuinely doesnt believe that this happened then that reply is pretty fair. It is actually as courteous as it can be.
Why would he apologize for something he doesnt think he ever did?
Why would he apologize for something he doesnt think he ever did?
Ftfy. Please be more conscious of your language in the future to avoid microagressions like that.
Uh, if he was going chingchong at her, that's pretty clear cut. There's basically no context where that isn't racist. I don't see how truth can end up in the middle here.
Short of him randomly singing the "Chickity China the Chinese chicken" when they met, I don't know what she might have confused for chingchongchingchong either.
WrenchNinja
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What an asshole.
Thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread. We really needed some concern trolling and deflection in here to help out a racist.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Totally believe it. He has always come off as a dickhead and I don't think she would make this up.
Messofanego
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Only racists.
Zvonimir Boban
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How many ways are there to see "Don't you speak English? Ching chong ching chong"?
It's easy to do for white comedians that see others as punchlines first, people second.
The world is their oyster.
BetterThanNothing
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David Cross seems like a genuinely decent person who's a bit unhinged sometimes. If he says he doesn't remember, I believe him. I don't know if that means the girl is misremembering.
I mean I hate to doubt the guy's memory because that is a bullshit way to address any statement he makes, devalues anything he says as negligible but this is the man who admitted to being on cocaine at a presidential dinner. He gets down pretty hard.
I mean I hate to doubt the guy's memory because that is a bullshit way to address any statement he makes, devalues anything he says as negligible but this is the man who admitted to being on cocaine at a presidential dinner. He gets down pretty hard.
JigglesBunny
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You gotta be kidding me with that Rashomon bullshit at the end. Hes basically mocking her and he knows it.
I would say I lost some respect for him but hes sort of notoriously rude and abrasive from what Ive heard over the years so I cant even say Im surprised.
I would say I lost some respect for him but hes sort of notoriously rude and abrasive from what Ive heard over the years so I cant even say Im surprised.
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OrangeGrayBlue
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I'm starting to become convinced that there are more people who have done something fucked up at some point than people who haven't.
Let's say you made a racially charged joke to a young Asian woman. And let's say it was REALLY obvious that there was zero ill intent and it was so baldly cartoonish and you made it REALLY obvious that it was all just a silly joke. Let's say you were wearing a giant sign that said I DON'T MEAN ANY OF THIS I'M JUST MAKING FUN OF RACISTS TO BREAK THE ICE I RESPECT YOU AND YOUR HERITAGE AND I'M JUST A CLUMSY SILLY GUY WHO CROSSES THE LINE SOMETIMES BUT I TOTALLY MEAN WELL. Maybe even she chuckles or laughs. Then that same woman, years later, says she was hurt and offended. You're not gonna apologize? Sincerely without just handwaving it by saying she remembered it wrong?
The point was never Rashomon. The point was never "both stories".
meltingparappa
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A primarily stand-up comedian, not known for being the friendliest person to work with, making an awkward edgy joke that doesn't quite land, ten years ago, to a complete stranger (possibly even after a show while meeting a ton of people), potentially under the influence of something, doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and is low on the list of things that disrupts my day as an asian american.
The tone of that apology however, is something he really shouldn't have even bothered with since it just makes him come off like a pure asshole.
What any of us would do doesn't matter. Unless you are suggesting because he didn't apologise well we should assume it went down in the worst way.
War Peaceman
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It is pretty obvious that he used the ridiculous rashomon hashtag as a reference to unreliable narrators. It is not because it is an Asian film.
Terrible apology though. I'm inclined to believe than an experience like this is going to be remembered much more vividly by the victim than the perpetrator. The detail that he changed to a southern redneck type accent makes me particularly inclined to believe it - it feels like he realised how bad what he said was and tried to make it look like he was just doing some funny accents to save it. Not that it would work - there is no reason to say what he said to anyone, let alone someone you have just met.
#blazingsaddles
Terrible apology though. I'm inclined to believe than an experience like this is going to be remembered much more vividly by the victim than the perpetrator. The detail that he changed to a southern redneck type accent makes me particularly inclined to believe it - it feels like he realised how bad what he said was and tried to make it look like he was just doing some funny accents to save it. Not that it would work - there is no reason to say what he said to anyone, let alone someone you have just met.
#blazingsaddles
smokeandmirrors
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We would be so much more better off if everyone did this :/.
He's an actor. His stand-up comedy is an act. We don't have any clue what he's really like.
I've been bullied before, and that shit stays with you. Not surprised he doesn't remember. Even if he weren't drunk or high why would he? He probably thought what he did was "just a joke" and didn't give it another thought until now. His statement is very revealing, fuck him. I believe her.
Sirpopopop
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The problem with including the #Rashomon hashtag at the end is that it could conceivably be thought of as either:
A. Racist inference.
or
B. Unreliable narrator.
You want to be clear and unambiguous. David Cross was not that.
A. Racist inference.
or
B. Unreliable narrator.
You want to be clear and unambiguous. David Cross was not that.
Don't do this. Its glaringly obvious and lends credence to the chance it did happen. When plausible deniability gets to this point we are in trouble.
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