Cheesecakebobby
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I managed to enhance that image guys
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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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MrGame&Watch
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It's being held in the image portrait style. Thought it was a white iPhone image from far away.
AceBandage
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Son of a...
Well, we do have to consider cooling that other really high clocked chip besides the GPU.
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Oh yeah, the 5670 is also a pretty high clock itself (775MHz), and the stock cooler isn't too loud.
Though for a console, I'd probably expect the temps to be of some concern for prolonged gaming periods.
Jaded Alyx
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And what icons did you see?
The trick to bogus lists is to stick safe predictions on it in order to legitimise it. NSMB is a safe prediction especially when they have already shown a WiiU demo of it.
Presumably the idea is that developers could map a significant amount of hotkeys/skill bars/buttons/information to the UPad screen, making the system far more friendly to MMOs than a normal console controller. Personally I think this is pretty viable, particularly if Nintendo is indeed making the online component fairly open compared to LIVE's restrictions.
GTA IV Wii down-port.
MrGame&Watch
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It was just a typical GUI mockup. I doubt they were final but it looked like it was customized for the game. I think I know what game it was for but it wouldn't even be that exciting of a reveal.
Well what did you see exactly? Describe it in better detail and stop being so vague. If you're going to get in trouble for hinting at things you've seen, don't talk! Otherwise, spill dem beans!
AceBandage
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-Pyromaniac-
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This is how I read Ideaman's post: Nintendo is spending their time making sure the stupid gimmicks are in for launch, they'll likely update with features that are good and that everyone wants later.
/fin
/fin
AceBandage
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AKA: They're Nintendo.
Though, to be fair, I doubt that Video Chat will be a selling point at first anyway.
Cheesecakebobby
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Maybe it was Angry Birds running on the built-in Ipad emulator (hence the icons)
-Pyromaniac-
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still though, such nintendo behaviour. I aint mad though, it's just funny.
I would love for developers to take advantage of this technology to provide a pseudo-3D experience, like the one seen here.
I'll be skipping the day one purchase if this proves true. I'm frankly tired of Nintendo's "we'll get to it later" attitude for what should be embraced as major features. Either the features are implemented and ready for prime time, or you product isn't ready for launch. Not to mention, this lackadaisical attitude undermines 3rd party support for the system's unique features. If they made a better show of it, they could rapidly grow the install base through the perceived "wow" factor of these features. Heavy reliance on system updates, like what they did with the 3DS, is a bad move.
320 @750MHz would be ~2x as powerful assuming that it's similar to an RV730.
What old tricks? :/
Ah... can't say I recall 240-320 being reasonable. That would be a hilariously tiny chip.
Anyways, the ALUs aren't the only part of the equation here ( # of ROPs/TF/TA units, texture cache sizes etc). Clocks are highly variable and can have a fairly big impact on TDP via operating voltage, so it's really a question about balancing die size and clocks and resultant TDP. You certainly don't want a large chip operating at low clocks just to keep within TDP, and besides, the triangle throughput rate is directly proportional to clocks, so going with a low clock would be detrimental to that part of the rendering.
The 40nm process is certainly very mature now as well, so that'll have some impact on the number of chips that can operate within a certain TDP at a particular clock/voltage (not cherry-picking as much). So I mean, 400-640 ALUs is reasonable provided an inverse clock speed relation. You don't want the die size to be so large that it becomes a cost that carries through for the millions of chips to be fabbed.
I was basing that on the fact that you said that a 70W TDP for the console with a 40W GPU would be pushing it. Or maybe I confused you with someone else.
And yeah, I know there's more to it, but from there it gets so complex.
Anyway, thanks. That's exactly the range I'm hoping for. I was thinking that specs similar to Turks (480 ALUs, 8 ROPs, 24 texture units) perhaps increased to 12 ROPs.
Well, we do have to consider cooling that other really high clocked chip besides the GPU.
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Oh yeah, the 5670 is also a pretty high clock itself (775MHz), and the stock cooler isn't too loud.
Though for a console, I'd probably expect the temps to be of some concern for prolonged gaming periods.
Yeah, a 3-3.5GHz tri-core CPU would be a bit hot.
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wow, they are quick
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More tidbits, as features doesn't seems to interest you (a pity).
For the memory, it won't be 1GB. If it's the case, there must have been a drastic change of plans by Nintendo. Studios already developed their games with an available pool of memory for their projects of AT LEAST 1GB. And then you have to consider the reserved space for the system software layer. Even if the latter is optimized, the system will have AT THE MINIMUM, the AT LEAST 1GB used by companies to build their games + the amount occupied by the OS. And as i already explained in Thread 2, Nintendo TOLD a few months ago third-parties that they are aiming for a bigger quantity than 1GB + let's say 0,2GB for the OS.
wow, they are quick
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More tidbits, as features doesn't seems to interest you (a pity).
For the memory, it won't be 1GB. If it's the case, there must have been a drastic change of plans by Nintendo. Studios already developed their games with an available pool of memory for their projects of AT LEAST 1GB. And then you have to consider the reserved space for the system software layer. Even if the latter is optimized, the system will have AT THE MINIMUM, the AT LEAST 1GB used by companies to build their games + the amount occupied by the OS. And as i already explained in Thread 2, Nintendo TOLD a few months ago third-parties that they are aiming for a bigger quantity than 1GB + let's say 0,2GB for the OS.
More than you think. I think the news post was up only a few minutes after your post.
*waves at RMC*
AceBandage
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Red Arremer
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Oh God this is amazing.
They have plenty of time since January/February until the system launch to implement all these features
But maybe some of them won't be available at the release date. I expect the ones relying on the camera to be accessible for developers before though, it's a rather important function and it would be weird that the front camera that you'll see on your padlet will have nearly no use until later system updates.
I have this (perhaps irrational) concern that anything less than 2GB will seriously hamstring the console in the foreseeable future in light of the rumors that Orbis/Durango will have anywhere between 4-8GB.
Keyword here is "if the latter is optimized".
And i've not used "OS" this time, but "system software layer", but you can add "background thingies". To be clear, maybe the OS will take 250MB, and there will be an additional 250MB reserved for multi-tasking, to put your game on hold, store your progression, switch to little applications, switch back to your game + other features.
Mr. MondayNight
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You know what I meant.....
They also said something about 6 Cores which made me say to myself... Ok this is obviously BS.
AceBandage
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512MB for all that still seems like overkill.
Really seems like it would be easier to code a layer into the system that could save your progress at almost any point, rather than having a full suspend feature like that.
Well you could have 100 cores each with the power of an Calcuculator, and you wont get anything out of it, except for really fast graphs.
Yeah i hope for them it will be flexible and let developers tap into the maximum of memory that they can.
AceBandage
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Orbis and Durango will definitely have at least 4GB, perhaps as much as 12.
Max Payne PC will use up to 16! They have to go to 18GB at least!
Really?
AceBandage
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471314
It's all BS, regardless.
Yeah, it can use up to that, but come on...
It's running on systems with like a tenth of that.
Good point. 24GB GDDR6 from the future or bust!
OK, now I'm convinced you and IdeaMan have exchanged login details to fuck with us. Either that or he's assimilated you.
What. The. Fuck.
If this is true, the optimisation is up the ass of Rockstar and the game is gonna run like shit regardless if you meet the specs or not.
AceBandage
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If MS or Sony create a console with 4-8GB of ram, the kind of console they'd have to build to balance the system around that much memory would force them to price it such that it would only sell a pittance for the first 2-4 years.
If both MS and Sony go that route, I see a ratio of sales nearly identical to what we saw this generation, but with everyone as a whole likely selling less overall. Nintendo would probably get a larger share of 3rd party support than this gen simply because porting would be easier, but not by much. If either MS or Sony decide to be closer to Wii U specs than they are to the other console, things would turn out very differently, most likely in nintendo's favor.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Max Pain for PCs it seems...
Combining my previous post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35909560&postcount=19446
With the current head/eye tracking and IdeaMan's post below makes me hopeful. The glasses won't be needed if eye tracking is good enough. Besides the Wii U should be able to track the Wii U controller well enough.
Also, if the rear camera is good enough it could make the screen appear transparent.
With the current head/eye tracking and IdeaMan's post below makes me hopeful. The glasses won't be needed if eye tracking is good enough. Besides the Wii U should be able to track the Wii U controller well enough.
Also, if the rear camera is good enough it could make the screen appear transparent.
Red Arremer
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Well, USSR doesn't exist anymore since like 20 years, but that would also explain that "comrade".
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