Projectjustice
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Its only been out 3 months. Lol
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Nintendos Q4 2012 Report : About WiiU
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Its only been out 3 months. Lol
Spieler Eins
Member
No way for X and Smash imo. The rest actually needs to be out, going with the same panic mode strategy as on the 3DS, if Iwata wants to reach his standard goal again. Especially since Wii U will struggle until fall. Another couple of surprises at E3 won't hurt it either (Wii Sports U, either Retro game or Miyamoto IP still this year?)
I would say that Mario Kart U is a lock for November for the holiday season. I can see Mario 3D pushed to 2014.
As odd as it seems to most of us, the masses want Mario Kart more than the next platformer. Kart moves systems. Mario Universe or whatever it'll be called is predominantly bought by hardcore fans who already have the system.
As odd as it seems to most of us, the masses want Mario Kart more than the next platformer. Kart moves systems. Mario Universe or whatever it'll be called is predominantly bought by hardcore fans who already have the system.
What list of games asked you to do that?
Herb Alpert
Banned
They really have a trump with NFC I think.
Properly made AND advertised I'm sure they can create a huge phenomenon à la Pokemon, involving kids and some fetichist collectionerds.
In fact they need this to become popular again. I really think the bigger problem of nintendo is their brand image, especially by the kids.
Properly made AND advertised I'm sure they can create a huge phenomenon à la Pokemon, involving kids and some fetichist collectionerds.
In fact they need this to become popular again. I really think the bigger problem of nintendo is their brand image, especially by the kids.
If they actually made a proper console Pokemon mmo with card trading/scanning they would need to build a money bin ala Scrooge McDuck.
dragonflys545
Member
Probably Zombie U and soon to be rayman legends.
I would argue that many of the hardcore fans don't have the system yet because nintendo hasn't released any games that push the console to the hardcore. I don't have it, for example, and I'm pretty hardcore. 2D mario just isn't the same as 3D mario.
The hardcore fans bought the wii at launch for Twilight princess and that's a big part of why it took off like a rocket right out of the gate. There is nothing on Wii U with that kind of appeal right now, nor anything on the horizon that we've actually been able to see.
Also, everybody loves Mario games, not just hardcore nintendo fans. Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are universally regarded as some of the best games last gen for any platform. Some would even argue that they are the very best.
Well as someone who's played some Zombie U I suppose it's his opinion, but I found nothing wrong with how it was implemented, I enjoyed it actually very much. It added something to the game that made me feel more tense heh, which I suppose not everyone likes, but I do.
Baconsammy
Banned
Nintendo's premier launch title that they stuck in nearly every Wii U box(ZombiU as well). The one Miyamoto is most likely referring to when he talks about "charm". If that's the charm I fear he's referring to, he can keep it.
DanteRavenkin
Member
I'm surprised I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but what about a Kid Icarus remake/sequel that used NFC cards instead of AR Cards? Hopefully they'd do more than in the 3DS version though.
edit: Also, what about a return of the e-reader? wouldn't it be cool to buy a pack of cards and NFC yourself some original NES or small indy titles?
edit: Also, what about a return of the e-reader? wouldn't it be cool to buy a pack of cards and NFC yourself some original NES or small indy titles?
Oh I agree that the Galaxy games are top notch. I'm just saying they don't move systems like Mario Kart does, which is what Nintendo will need this holiday season when the PS4/Xbox720 is out.
I agree. Moving this late to adress this atea is just bad management and/or terrible foresight.
Projectjustice
Banned
Only way to assume that is if he wasnt making anything else. Otherwise its a dumb assumption.
So one game and a half (most mini games in Nintendo Land are played looking at only one screen). You made it look like a long list, but it was hyperbole.
They didn't just start, they've been doing it for the last couple years. They are of course still doing it.
Baconsammy
Banned
Wasn't a reference to a specific game, but to a specific game mechanic that he appears to want to push. Maybe what they've done just hasn't pushed that charm well, because at this point their charms appear to be lost on people.
No, 2 full games. In Nintendoland I'm referring to the fact that I turn it on, want to play a game on my TV and the message on the TV is "Please look at the gamepad screen". That's exactly the gimmick I don't want in gaming. I buy consoles to play on my big TV that I bought.
Nothing to shocking, really. The GPU/CPU situation was a calculated risk, we'll see if it pans out. If New Xbox and Playstation 4 are similar in their design (off loading traditional CPU functions to the GPU), then they might be alright with ports/multiplats. If not, it'll be typical Nintendo console.
I am also getting the feeling this E3 could be in the 2010-style. "People say we're dead, we're here to say STFU." Then game, game, game, game, game, game. End briefing.
I am also getting the feeling this E3 could be in the 2010-style. "People say we're dead, we're here to say STFU." Then game, game, game, game, game, game. End briefing.
Saint Gregory
Member
I... what? They're only doing this now? The Wii has been dead for years, why weren't they starting to prepare for this gen years ago?
It saves them money. Less power consumption means less heat and smaller console cases. They like to stress this sometimes as doing consumers a favor but really it saves them tens of millions over the course of a generation.
ColdBlooder
Banned
Well you can't move into a building thats still under construction. I think it was supposed to be completed in Dec last year or Jan this year. Not sure though...
Baconsammy
Banned
I guess it matters to people like me that only buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games. It's good to know that it's not draining huge amounts of power while not being used. I sincerely doubt that's what he's referring to though. I've kept my Wii U unplugged since Mid-December simply because my Apple TV needed the outlet.
Captain Smoker
Member
The Wii wasn't "dead for years", they sold 1/3 of their consoles in the last three years.
Furthermore, these changes affect the hardware generation after the Wii U.
Software development should be affected in this generation though.
ColdBlooder
Banned
Well electricity is getting one major pricebump in germany this year. They spoke of 8% last year. Now were at 22%... If ididn't rise yet again. Power efficient devices are more and more welcomed in our household...
It has been dead for years w.r.t. Being an actively supported and living console for gamers. Actually it's been pretty dead most of its life IMO except for the odd pulse of life with a Nintendo game.
Saint Gregory
Member
I must be misunderstanding the context of the statement because it sounded as if they're still preparing their teams for post GC/Wii software development. Is he talking strictly hardware development here?
Schnozberry
Member
I remember reading in another GAF thread that the new Kyoto building opened late 2012. They also stated they didn't get full power dev kits out until mid 2012, so they've definitely had some difficulty. 2013 looks to be shaping up better though. The move to HD was brutal for everyone else, too.
Really good news here! I'm really interested by the game they have not mentioned yet. A pushmo Wii U will be great!
Captain Smoker
Member
They unified both, hardware and software development teams. Those in Kyoto.
They finished their new building near their headquarters in the last few months.
They started their business this month.
Brownie Brown also got restructured, they renamed them to 1UP-Studio.
not exactly...
The GPU stands out, because CPU architecture is or was confusing for developers.
This CPU does not share the same heritage as Wii or Gamecube.
+ 3d Mario?
Schnozberry
Member
I believe what was rumored is that its a similar CPU as the Wii and GC, just with more cache and cores and perhaps some modifications for the SMP design. It also has a 60% increase in clock speed on each core.
The GPU is radically different, much closer to what we will see in Orbis and Durango, but a generation or two behind due to Nintendo starting their hardware refresh more than a year earlier.
We will get great software for the Wii U. It just sounds like Nintendo was well behind their targets for getting their own software out and final devkits to third parties. It goes a long way towards explaining some of the performance hiccups we saw at launch, and the game delays we've seen for Aliens: CM and the first party games as well.
Saint Gregory
Member
OK, thanks. This still seems so strange to me. Big 3rd party publishers like EA, Activision and Ubisoft are supporting every platform under the sun yet Nintendo, a company that's been doing this as long as anybody, is struggling to support two platforms at the same time?
Even if they they don't have enough internal teams to support the output they need for Wii U and 3DS why did they only figure this out recently? They really need to show everyone what they've been doing with their time since they stopped fully supporting the Wii at this year's E3 because if the answer is anything other than a blowout of new software on an epic scale I'm going to believe that the company is being mismanaged at the top.
I cant see how any of this is good news. They seem to have stood on their hands for the last 3 years and are willing to ride out this generation with minimum profit and see how the landscape fares in 5 more years. It's almost at the point where I'm tempted to say they are waiting for shares to drive down so they can have a massive buyback down the road.
They are supporting it with the games they think will sell lol. The real problem I believe is that Nintendo was so intent on getting games out for the 3DS these past few years in order to get it on the right track that it hurt Wii U game development.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Local play is essentially the same as online: you can either choose battle (which includes a modified Balloon Battle and Coin Battle, with modifiers on what items you can get), choose single races, or play customized Grand Prix.
Schnozberry
Member
They've promised a lot of software for both platforms at E3, and have some unannounced titles and 3rd party partnerships they have yet to reveal. I think E3 should be crazy.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Of course, Mr. Iwata. For the same reason you said costumers don't want online games and graphics reached it's peak in 2001, right?
Man, Iwata always throw an excuse to not bring new features for Nintendo systems. This conservative approach is annoying.
DragonSworne
Banned
I don't like Nintendo's answer on unified platforms and the cloud.
It seems like they are missing the point. It's not about gaming through the internet or combining your hardware together, it's about having a uniform, consistent, and reliable way of getting to your content.
I should be able to access my games I downloaded on eshop no matter which Nintendo device I'm using. I want to see Wii/WiiU games on my 3DS, I want to be able to purchase shop games through my phone and have them waiting for me I get home, etc. It should be like iTunes or Google play.
It all comes down to Nintendo either not understanding an account base platforms or not understanding the benefits... If it is the latter, Nintendo needs new management because they will be left behind by consumers
It seems like they are missing the point. It's not about gaming through the internet or combining your hardware together, it's about having a uniform, consistent, and reliable way of getting to your content.
I should be able to access my games I downloaded on eshop no matter which Nintendo device I'm using. I want to see Wii/WiiU games on my 3DS, I want to be able to purchase shop games through my phone and have them waiting for me I get home, etc. It should be like iTunes or Google play.
It all comes down to Nintendo either not understanding an account base platforms or not understanding the benefits... If it is the latter, Nintendo needs new management because they will be left behind by consumers
That's nice to know. Brownie Brown was a terrible name. Never grew on me.
For your personal tastes, maybe.
For Nintendo? God no. 90+ million units sold is in fact the complete opposite of a dead platform. It sold 400,000 units in North America in December, and Nintendo hasn't released a game on it for a year!
Schnozberry
Member
The answer he gave suggests he wasn't referring to a unified account system. Seems to me he was referring to dumb terminal hardware like OnLive that connects you to a game hosted in the cloud.
I'm struggling to remember what exciting stuff at E3 they have. We knew they were making 3D Mario and Kart so having them at E3 doesn't excite me in the least (even though I will buy them).
I also have learned to never take a piece of info from Nintendo like 'we have more titles' or 'Wii U is for the core gamer' and extrapolate that to mean they will have games to show me that I want. The last 18 months or so, since E3 2011, has been vacuous marketting bollocks from Nintendo as they have struggled to keep themselves in the minds of consumers.
Stop talking and show me Iwata.
There was Mario Party lol. The real reason it sold so well is because its extremely cheap now and despite what some gamers say people still use their Wiis.
We basically just have to look at the studios who don't have anything announced yet and on the 3DS side we know we are getting 10 games published by Nintendo this year.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I don't think Nintendo got the memo - seems they forgot it existed.
DragonSworne
Banned
Let's hope Iwata's version of a unified platform is more like iTunes and Google play.
evilromero
Member
They should have planned for Lego or Pikmin to come out in Jan. There's just too much space between releases.
Saint Gregory
Member
That shouldn't have been necessary had they prepared properly for supporting two systems. It seem like they're making adjustments now but I surprised that it's taken them this long to realize they they need to be the main development support for their consoles.