FinaruDensetsu
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Why should there be any shame? He's completely right to say that.
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ARK: Survival Evolved XO-PS4 crossplay working internally; Sony won't allow it
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Why should there be any shame? He's completely right to say that.
Like, really? lol
Don't walk before you can run. Parties are a later problem. We need to actually get the crossplay first.
If you think it's worthless until there are parties, this discussion is premature for you.
Sony should really reconsider their stance on this, they are looking really backwards here.
To the people defending Sony, why in the hell would you ever defend something that actually hurts consumers, do you own Sony stocks?
It's 2017, cross-play should be celebrated, gamers have NOTHING to lose by this.
To the people defending Sony, why in the hell would you ever defend something that actually hurts consumers, do you own Sony stocks?
It's 2017, cross-play should be celebrated, gamers have NOTHING to lose by this.
Depends on the game. I think Minecraft will have a build-in Friends List across all platforms concerned by the Better Together Update.
Sangetsu-II
Member
If the game already has a low population on PS4 chances are it's even lower on XB1.
Jaded Alyx
Member
And as the rocket league devs said, more people to play with increases the quality of your online experience, since you may get matched with people closer to you.
atomic moth
Member
Does anyone read threads anymore?
Omegabalmung9
Member
Damn didn't know I was a usual suspect.
AmuroChan
Member
I think it's very worthwhile, which is why I'm asking how I can play with my friends on different platforms. I wasn't aware that parties aren't possible yet.
But by their powers combined... THEY ARE CAPTAIN PLAYERBASE!
Parties would basically be a per-game basis at the moment. Each game has to figure that stuff out itself unfortunately for the time being. It's one of the bigger downsides of the unwillingness to work these things out we're seeing right now. Some games use a private password system, some use 3rd party accounts and such.
Fatal Futanari
Member
Too early to do anything with it now. The PC base is still in "mai precious!" stage. Would be a good idea to throw around again once the game gets closer to retail build.
Bedameister
Member
Yeah, no need to defense Sony for this at all. It's shitty and it should not be ignored.
So fuck Sony for this.
What if you have friends that own a different console than you. Would be pretty cool if you could play with them right?
Bit weird to me that this didnt get much if any attention on here, especially since this crossplay stuff seems to be important to many.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I feel like that's wishful thinking. In reality you're probably not going to have cross console chat, or be able to match up against your friends unless each individual game maintains cross platform friend lists.
But for the sake of larger, longer lasting pools of players, it should be done.
Whats so stupid about this is that the main reason Sony wont allow it is because theyre "winning" and want to force more people into buying their console.
When in reality, more people are going to buy a PS4 regardless because its clearly the best option right now.
Dividing the community because youre worried Xbox is going to take a bite of your pie is really ignorant, because theyre not.
When in reality, more people are going to buy a PS4 regardless because its clearly the best option right now.
Dividing the community because youre worried Xbox is going to take a bite of your pie is really ignorant, because theyre not.
Cross console vocal chat will definitely never happen for obvious reasons, but being able to match up with your friends shouldn't be a problem. Minecraft will do this. It really depends on each game and the amount of effort a developper is willing to put in.
EGOMON
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Given his history it is and embarrassing too, any other poster would have been okay
Oh i know, i meant on Gaf in general. Seems like the perfect daily outrage threadTo be fair, I did bring it up in one of the first posts in this very thread
Feels like sonys reasoning boils down to:
Statistically we have al lot more users than xbox one (true) and if we don't allow cross play, there is a greater chance that a non customer buys into our ecosystem to play these games with their friends.
So effing stiff upper lip mentality if true. I wouldnt be surprised if it is their actual reasoning though.
Statistically we have al lot more users than xbox one (true) and if we don't allow cross play, there is a greater chance that a non customer buys into our ecosystem to play these games with their friends.
So effing stiff upper lip mentality if true. I wouldnt be surprised if it is their actual reasoning though.
For anyone who wants crossplay, that blocking by MS is just as bull as what Sony is doing and they deserve exactly the same questions. The reason it might be lower profile in that case was because the cross-play was kinda janky nonsense to begin with. Hard to say.
Do the basics of addition elude you?
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AmuroChan
Member
Minecraft can do it because they're requiring you to log into a XBL account right, even on the Switch? So essentially it's just your XBL Friends List.
Yeah maybe that's the trick. They're essentially unifying everyone under one big network.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Minecraft will do this because everyone will utilize Microsoft's online service. Third parties won't have this luxury, so realistically, all of the talk of playing with friends in Rocket League or Ark is unlikely to happen.
It's really about bigger online communities.
Switch isn't universally fine, see: Rocket League.
Sony is only fine with Switch cross-play when they would otherwise have a dead product, see: DQX. If they didn't allow cross-play for this title (and especially because its stuck in Japan), no one would even buy the PS4 version because they'd have no one to play with.
Uh, you just posted this which is basically what I said, though?
What is the end goal if it's not a universal friends list?
Ark has public servers which all versions can connect to and private servers which you could join with a password. So joining with player on Ark shouldn't be a problem across networks. Rocket League seems to only have the private password games to play with specific people right now.
I don't believe those two statements are the same. Parties aren't universal friend lists. Who knows what the end goal is, the current goal is cross play at all. If that stops at random matching, that's better than where we're at now. It if did end up at cross platform friends lists, that'd be neat too. Having cross play as the end goal in the first place isn't a problem to me.
EGOMON
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Your point? Lol I fail to see the relevance
David Ricardo
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Ascenion
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Wouldn't the reverse of that also be true? To an extent? Say I own Minecraft on PS4 and my buddy owns it on Xbox One. It's far easier and cheaper to remove myself from their ecosystem than it is for a buddy to buy a $2-300 console. I could just buy Minecraft on literally anything else for $7-20. And then the time I spend on PS4 is decreased and they are loading my money.
AmuroChan
Member
Ok, so that makes sense since Microsoft owns Minecraft. I wonder if third parties will also just make you create an account under their umbrella. So for EA games you need an Origin account, Ubisoft a UPlay account, etc.
Not surprised, Sony knows people will complain but the following day they'll go get a PS4 game because they're already stuck on that ecosystem.
Or maybe it's because two things will happen: controller users will get insane auto-aim to keep up with mouse and they'll win every headshot fight (Halo 2 Vista/COD Black Ops 3) or they won't get any auto-aim at all and if you have a controller user on your squad you'll be at a severe disadvantage (Shadowrun).
Or maybe it's because two things will happen: controller users will get insane auto-aim to keep up with mouse and they'll win every headshot fight (Halo 2 Vista/COD Black Ops 3) or they won't get any auto-aim at all and if you have a controller user on your squad you'll be at a severe disadvantage (Shadowrun).
Yea Sony is being ridiculous.
BUT I can tell you one thing for sure, if MS was in the lead it'd have been Sony allowing cross platform play and MS denying it. Afterall remember MS is the same company that demands exclusive content for their version if the game comes out late on their platform, resulting in developers having only two options i.e. either delay the game or give in to their demands. It's also the same company that blocks universal standards like USB with a requirement for a proprietary chip (they do this for wireless usb chat).
BUT I can tell you one thing for sure, if MS was in the lead it'd have been Sony allowing cross platform play and MS denying it. Afterall remember MS is the same company that demands exclusive content for their version if the game comes out late on their platform, resulting in developers having only two options i.e. either delay the game or give in to their demands. It's also the same company that blocks universal standards like USB with a requirement for a proprietary chip (they do this for wireless usb chat).
Neuromancer
Member
Sony is on the wrong side of history here. I really wish they would get with the program so I could play Ark and other games with my Xbox playing buddy.
Fatal Futanari
Member
Never said it would be good lol. Obviously PC players will have the overwhelming advantage but still doesn't stop people from asking for it. I see people asking for cross play for LawBreakers, a twitch shooter lol.
Mr Moose
Member
It's still there. https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/ea-patch-notes-1-4
Edit: Oh they removed the Per policy discussion with Microsoft part.
This is such transparent deflection from the topic, its frustrating to see the few cheering it on. [Game performance] and [platform networking restrictions] are different topics.