Stone Ocean
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Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood |OT| Y'all Need to Calm Down
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Hmmm, not really a big fan of all these small incremental patches. Wish theyd just put everything new in each big .1 patch.
One small reason is every patch has like 2-3 nights of maintenance.
Dandy Crocodile
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I finally made it to Heavensward!
Those 2.0 patches were a real slog but the end scenes were really great stuff. Deaths I both wanted and didn't see coming (at least not yet).
Those 2.0 patches were a real slog but the end scenes were really great stuff. Deaths I both wanted and didn't see coming (at least not yet).
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Oh cool, thanks for setting up the latter version for us west coasters. I have plans tomorrow, but if you're doing this weekly I'll make the 10pm EST run next week.
Is this GAF FC members only? My main is on Lamia zzzzzz
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I'm fairly confident with the first phase now but it takes a lot of coordination I think thats the one thing that makes it tougher then Thordan EX.
Thordan ex was another beast in itself, IMO. Everyone had to know what they were doing. Especially if you were doing post-meteor prog. That tower/double gaze/AoE into tether/stack/charge was far worse than anything Shinryu is dishing out
Though I guess I was new to doing any kind of difficult content back then and was a lot worse:
Hahaha
Though I guess I was new to doing any kind of difficult content back then and was a lot worse:
Hahaha
I was the WHM
Comparisons to Thordan get kind of weird because the playerbase is in a much different spot now than it was when Thordan hit. The stated target audience sounds similar--people who are struggling on the third fight of the tier--but the portion of the playerbase that represents is super different. O3S is a step up, but Omega doesn't really have a static breaker. When Thordan hit, too, weapons over i200 were restricted to those who'd cleared A4S by then which was a super tiny pool.
340 and 345 weapons in Shinryu PFs are pretty common, and being full BiS by this point isn't too rare. Add in that the 'hard part' of Thordan was the stuff after his Ultimate that just played out in sequence until he died, while the hard part of Shinryu is the first phase that you can bail out of early at multiple points by hitting him really hard, and the environment is pretty different.
The thing that sounds the scariest to me is also something I've literally never seen because we're so stupidly overgeared that we pushed before it even needing to use healer lb3 in P1--the post-Soar
I really don't know what I think of Shinryu's difficulty, so I'm curious to see if he develops a Thordan-sequel reputation or if he settles down at Sephirot tier where it seems bad but then you learn it and nbd.
340 and 345 weapons in Shinryu PFs are pretty common, and being full BiS by this point isn't too rare. Add in that the 'hard part' of Thordan was the stuff after his Ultimate that just played out in sequence until he died, while the hard part of Shinryu is the first phase that you can bail out of early at multiple points by hitting him really hard, and the environment is pretty different.
The thing that sounds the scariest to me is also something I've literally never seen because we're so stupidly overgeared that we pushed before it even needing to use healer lb3 in P1--the post-Soar
Tidal Wave sounds like kind of hell depending on where he jumped to and which tiles you still have up.
I really don't know what I think of Shinryu's difficulty, so I'm curious to see if he develops a Thordan-sequel reputation or if he settles down at Sephirot tier where it seems bad but then you learn it and nbd.
As in the uhhh 290 stuff? They've changed it up a bit. In HW, AF gear was bought with the first set of capped tomes, Esoterics. Then you could dye it when you did Void Ark / a3 savage IIRC. Now though, the tome set of gear is completely different to the AF set. And we have no means of upgrading the latter
so basically... no one knows what their plans are this time around. Pre-release showed it as dyeable and people have speculated about it being upgradeable like relic weapons buuut /shrug
Congrats!! What weapon dropped?
Thanks!
PLD sword and shield. Our monk got the weapon chest.
Yeah, it was one slightly cleaner run and we cleared with time to spare. We were a few % ahead of our previous best run when the enrage started, and we knew we had it.
with heavensward it was the first tome gear and it could be upgraded with alexander drops and then become dyeable, iirc
stormblood is weird in that the first tome gear was the contest winner stuff instead of AF gear
so tldr is idk
It's the dull, no-foresight repetition of Heavensward cycle that is apparently recognized as "working" in the development.
Thordan was a hard fight made of reused concepts and a final story fight that "helps" you with clearing the main raid...
So Shinryu is a hard fight made of reused concepts and a final story fight that "helps" you with clearing the main raid.
Only... Well, Deltascape is not Creator.
Thordan ex was another beast in itself, IMO. Everyone had to know what they were doing. Especially if you were doing post-meteor prog. That tower/double gaze/AoE into tether/stack/charge was far worse than anything Shinryu is dishing out
Though I guess I was new to doing any kind of difficult content back then and was a lot worse:
Hahaha
I was the WHM
Is that THE Aya Liz from FFLogs
Gunblade47
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Do ventures have a chance to reward fc crafted house exteriors now? Seems like those markets are crashing. Managed to get the dining one for 45k gil where it sold for 6mil before the patch.
DrForester
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I think someone in FC chat mentioned getting the dining house wall.
I never realized the establishment housing walls were ever worth that much. Figured anyone customizing their house would want one of the other ones (Moogle, Carbuncle, etc.)
Malakhov
Banned
Decided to go back to my paladin on adamantoise, the 100% exp bonus was too great to pass on. I'm now lvl 26 and just tanked the first 3 dungeons of the game and I love it now, it's all starting to take shape.
I have to say on one run though there was some crazy moron pulling everything in the zone and was giving me problems but I was able to keep the agro on and save everyone from death.
Hopefully there isnt a whole lot of that type of individuals in the game...
I wish I didnt pick a roegadyn though, my character takes the whole freaking screen lol
I found out about the fantasia phials, anyone knows of a website that shows you what all the races looks like in different types of armor? I'd like to know what race looks best in plate armor.
I have to say on one run though there was some crazy moron pulling everything in the zone and was giving me problems but I was able to keep the agro on and save everyone from death.
Hopefully there isnt a whole lot of that type of individuals in the game...
I wish I didnt pick a roegadyn though, my character takes the whole freaking screen lol
I found out about the fantasia phials, anyone knows of a website that shows you what all the races looks like in different types of armor? I'd like to know what race looks best in plate armor.
My motto is "you pull it, you tank it"
If you accidentally pulled something, fine. I'll come get it off of you.
That being said, if you do the above and instead of bringing it to me you run around while the add is killing you you are on your own.
I will not risk turning all the adds around to the party to save someone's ass.
That's the FC crafted walls, which are much more expensive to make.
DrForester
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There's my mistake then. I thought the others were fc projects as well.
Doing Wanderer's Palace with a command mission is torture. The AI will just barely heal you in time and the tank runs all over the place instead of letting the adds come to it. And the combined DPS contribution of all three AI members is lower than player DPS by a wide margin, so it's incredibly easy to rip hate and die. I will probably run command missions on RDM or WAR so I can survive better.
demosthenes
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What do you mean brought back?
Zomba13
Member
Pick Tank
Assign 2 Archers as DPS
Spam "Engage"
Watch the mobs melt while you watch something on netflix on your second screen
You can spend ventures to send out retainers on gathering missions. Some take an hour, some take way longer, but they'll always bring back something depending on what their assigned class is. Sometimes ultra rare expensive stuff.
demosthenes
Member
Ok I should figure this out.
I went to my retainer yesterday and it asked for venture I thought and I did it not knowing what it was. I came back recently so there's a decent amount of stuff I'm not familiar with.
Have any idea what I did? It was at the top of my retainer menu. I clicked it and then another thing and then it went away.
You might have sent them out on a mission. You won't get much until they're high level and wearing decent gear. Until then, ventures grant experience and small rewards. Maybe you'll get a seashell.
demosthenes
Member
Cool, thanks. Will have to go google this.
I stopped sending one of my retainers on quick missions, because she kept bringing me fish. I know it doesn't matter, but she's a miner...
The Quick Exploration loot pool got a pretty decent bump in 4.1, and my retainer started bringing back a ton of HW leveling greens, PVP gear, etc (I think Mameshiba is in the pool too?) but it kind of sucks for gathering retainers since the quality of what they can come back with is iLevel-bound and I think I had to get my combat retainer in the neighborhood of i300 to qualify for the 'best' stuff.
It'll just be fish again soon, I'm sure, but it's been entertaining to at least get newer stuff back.
What's interesting to me in a weird way nobody else cares about is that Shinryu and Thordan fill the same content spot, but the message of the fights is basically opposite. Thordan was a "stop focusing on DPS checks and group comp; just do the mechanics already." fight, but Shinryu ends up being a fight that emphasizes ways that more DPS makes the fight easier. Skip giant chunks of P1, push into final phase ASAP, the entire way the healer adds work, etc.
I still think the fight is bizarrely tuned if it's aimed at people that couldn't O3S with 330 weapons, though.
It'll just be fish again soon, I'm sure, but it's been entertaining to at least get newer stuff back.
What's interesting to me in a weird way nobody else cares about is that Shinryu and Thordan fill the same content spot, but the message of the fights is basically opposite. Thordan was a "stop focusing on DPS checks and group comp; just do the mechanics already." fight, but Shinryu ends up being a fight that emphasizes ways that more DPS makes the fight easier. Skip giant chunks of P1, push into final phase ASAP, the entire way the healer adds work, etc.
I still think the fight is bizarrely tuned if it's aimed at people that couldn't O3S with 330 weapons, though.
I think Thordan was a lot better in that it had very clear dodge-burst rhythm that was easy to process whereas Shinryu is like this huge DPS followed by a mostly trivial adds phase and after that it's this really really weird phase that's not even half as difficult as the first part. I think the fight fell under the weight of the spectacle they had in mind for it. Unfortunately I don't think some kind of message or design philosophy was being observed in either case, they just wanted to make cool-looking fights.
Eh, Thordan I think was a message fight. You had groups obsessing over 'gear walls' and changing comps to meet the Living Liquid DPS check, when they were exploding to adds or failing Digititis passes and not hitting consistently hitting fight enrage, and Yoshida giving interviews that amounted to "No, seriously, do the mechanics and then worry about damage":
They then dump Thordan on the world, where the DPS check was intentionally lenient and the biggest gain from decent damage in the back half was.... skipping a DPS check at the very end. Mechanics were the centerpiece and enrage was as much of a non-issue as they could make it to clearly convey the whole shut-up-and-dance thing.
It might have been an accident, but I still think Thordan as designed was probably the smartest content-as-teaching-tool they've done. I don't think there's anything in the game Shinryu can address in the same way, just because of how Omega worked out; I just think it's funny that they defaulted to "throw DPS at it" for the primal when DPS checks were super lax this tier.
They then dump Thordan on the world, where the DPS check was intentionally lenient and the biggest gain from decent damage in the back half was.... skipping a DPS check at the very end. Mechanics were the centerpiece and enrage was as much of a non-issue as they could make it to clearly convey the whole shut-up-and-dance thing.
It might have been an accident, but I still think Thordan as designed was probably the smartest content-as-teaching-tool they've done. I don't think there's anything in the game Shinryu can address in the same way, just because of how Omega worked out; I just think it's funny that they defaulted to "throw DPS at it" for the primal when DPS checks were super lax this tier.
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yaffi
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Open up your retainer's inventory, left click on an item and choose "Have retainer sell items." Just keep clicking. Let it all gooooo
Stone Ocean
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You get an weekly upgrade for tome items and a materia cluster