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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
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I don't think I'm ever gonna use him vs real people anyway. He doesn't seem really worth it if the team isn't coordinated.
Anyone hearing anything about Lucio builds? Only talent I'm feeling pretty set on is Party Mix at level 7. Back in the Mix at level 13 seems solid against Valeeras because anything that lets you survive long enough against her is great, once you're not stunned/silenced you just knock her back and escape.
The only thing I've seen anyone take at 7 beyond experimentation has been Boombox.
If you're on a map where there are a good number of walls near areas where fights occur frequently (Garden, Infernal, Cursed for example) Slip is amazing.
Not able to look atm but will tell you what I used in a bit.
I didn't have high wait ever. Figure it wouldn't last long or won't exist at all because he's support and his damage is bad to middling. Murky probably has more queue time.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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That is annoying but she's fairly weak otherwise in QM from my experience.
Murky is so fun, but so insanely broken. It feels so good to play but deep down I know I'm a bastard for doing it.
Post 13 (and then doubly so once I got that 20 talent that doubled health) I even sufficiently harassed a Cho'Gall. There's just no getting away from it without a stun/root and maybe not even then. The 13 talent that gives 75 armor on a basic attack is more broken than Ess of Johann ever thought of being.
I did actually have two games tonight where I wasn't mirrored against another Murky. Those were fun.
Post 13 (and then doubly so once I got that 20 talent that doubled health) I even sufficiently harassed a Cho'Gall. There's just no getting away from it without a stun/root and maybe not even then. The 13 talent that gives 75 armor on a basic attack is more broken than Ess of Johann ever thought of being.
I did actually have two games tonight where I wasn't mirrored against another Murky. Those were fun.
She isn't OP by any stretch, I've played her a ton... but her stun + Varian's taunt is insane.
Yeah the Valeera + Varian stuff is shitty at times. We found that Dehaka + Varian works better, though. More survivable, and still a ton of lockdown. Landing the tongue is easy when they stand still.
I'm only talking about QM. The combo isn't impossible to overcome but when you're queuing up by yourself and the heroes might as well be random that duo is impossible to deal with.
Proto and I played with a random Greymane who 1v4'd the enemy team with the new ult earlier late game. Was savage.
MRW when I realize I'm much more casual than I thought I was ... in other news that early Li-Ming/Karazim play in that HGC highlights video just blew my mind.
Edit: or Rich just casually tweaking his buttons while deleting isolated people ...
Edit: or Rich just casually tweaking his buttons while deleting isolated people ...
I would say you're pretty casual in the grand scheme. You don't play but 2-4 games tops usually when I see you on, and you also don't play every day so that'd fit the definition.
At our peak we were playing like 8-10 games a night or more in the lead-up to release and right after.
EDIT: Pretty shocked at there being no Murky threads on the front page of reddit. If there's no outcry he'll possibly be left as-is for longer...which is good for Murky players, I guess.
At our peak we were playing like 8-10 games a night or more in the lead-up to release and right after.
EDIT: Pretty shocked at there being no Murky threads on the front page of reddit. If there's no outcry he'll possibly be left as-is for longer...which is good for Murky players, I guess.
Maybe he's okay? ;-)
(Spoiler : please god let the murloc pain end).
I was watching chu8 play him yesterday, and he literally couldn't use all the bribe stacks he was getting. The Diablo maps where every camp is 3 mobs are so easy to take with him and that talent, it was crazy.
(Spoiler : please god let the murloc pain end).
I was watching chu8 play him yesterday, and he literally couldn't use all the bribe stacks he was getting. The Diablo maps where every camp is 3 mobs are so easy to take with him and that talent, it was crazy.
I mean, if they leave him as-is I'll keep taking those W's they are handing out. Sure as hell have taken enough L's in the past two weeks in QM in our group. Just had some bad runs.
He's either now a really good hero, or a completely broken hero. I feel like it leans toward the latter not because he's so far out of wack compared to past broken heroes (Li-Ming, Sammy, Rag on release, for example, and Rehgar after rework), but because the type of hero he is makes him being this good just insanely oppressive. Like he can be a decent-to-good hero like he was after they introduced Living the Dream and you had to combo and hope for no Cleanse with Octograb back in the day...but being so tanky plus this increase in damage is pretty crazy IMO.
I went 6-1 with him yesterday I think it was. The game I lost we had a dude d/c for a few minutes and we got rolled before we could even hit level 13.
re: the bribe talent, I got a card on Infernal Shrines for capturing 10 merc camps, which is the most I've seen. That bribe talent is good value.
I'm kind of disappointed in Big Tuna Kahuna. I hoped the visual would be bigger.
He's either now a really good hero, or a completely broken hero. I feel like it leans toward the latter not because he's so far out of wack compared to past broken heroes (Li-Ming, Sammy, Rag on release, for example, and Rehgar after rework), but because the type of hero he is makes him being this good just insanely oppressive. Like he can be a decent-to-good hero like he was after they introduced Living the Dream and you had to combo and hope for no Cleanse with Octograb back in the day...but being so tanky plus this increase in damage is pretty crazy IMO.
I went 6-1 with him yesterday I think it was. The game I lost we had a dude d/c for a few minutes and we got rolled before we could even hit level 13.
re: the bribe talent, I got a card on Infernal Shrines for capturing 10 merc camps, which is the most I've seen. That bribe talent is good value.
I'm kind of disappointed in Big Tuna Kahuna. I hoped the visual would be bigger.
Ever since I got my second kid, my game time was reduced drastically. Either by the fact that you know I need to take care of them that's a given but also because they drain so gosh darn much energy that I'm left with barely enough patience sometimes to be fun to hang around with.
I'm also surprised at the lack of Murky thread but at this point, no amount of whining will change anything. I'm sure the balance team is looking at the avalanche of data right to make sure things stays healthy. It's not like we'll have to wait 6 months for a nerf like another blizzard franchise.
Kio's kids confirmed to be warlocks.
I don't know about that. Most things we see get smacked down have a pretty good outcry beforehand. There's always the inexplicable nerfs as well, but I feel like their track record is a bit more hit and miss without everyone standing on their soap boxes.
re: Murky winrate - 62% in QM (up 8.5%) on current build. 56% in HL (up 6.9%) on current build.
Lucio has a pretty good winrate so far too.
Maybe it will but it boggles the mind that so many sweeping changes are made in one shot here
Wasn't even really that big a patch though compared to some others we've had. Just a normal sized patch. A rework, a new hero, some buffs and nerfs to other heroes. Not all that dissimilar to the Tassadar patch.
What are you concerned about being broken besides Murky? And what's wrong with Cloak of Shadows now?
What are you concerned about being broken besides Murky? And what's wrong with Cloak of Shadows now?
scoobs
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It's still super boring and lame?
Not rlly concerned, just moaning a bit, but i feel like there are really grand changes in this patch, ult rework for gmane and falstad, new op support, tass changes, and so on that are good digestible things that become marred when you introduce a newish rework that is clearly first pick and will get changed anyway.
Nothin wrong w/ cloak, it's numbers just may be too high on a character like that and now she can just go in w/o much care, like it's a potentially oppressive buff that has little counterplay
Like she has more health than anub for example
Tass buff to his 13 also pretty ridiculous
Yeah that's part of my moaning, it's hard to have a good look at lucio in the context of murky, i think he's op too tho
Same w/ tass discussion (oh god the tass/murky combo kill me), i feel like tass needs a close look and meaningful nerfs to lvl 1 shield talent and oracle talents but i think it's gonna get lost in the mix
Same w/ tass discussion (oh god the tass/murky combo kill me), i feel like tass needs a close look and meaningful nerfs to lvl 1 shield talent and oracle talents but i think it's gonna get lost in the mix
I was talking about in the context of balance.
I'd say so. He's very fun, lots to do.
His winrate suggests he's going to end up being considered OP, yes.
It's funny, he's kind of on the Samuro end of OPness though. Healing isn't that great, damage is pretty shitty, speed boost is nice, wall ride is very strong, but it combines into something way more useful than it would appear at first blush. Sammy was the same way. He wasn't super great at anything but surviving (like Lucio, really), but it all combined to be very strong.
I'm surprised Tass didn't get nerfs across the board after all the comments from pros and so forth. I think he's one of those heroes they focus too much on the winrate of and not the context of said winrate, as you always say. He's at like 46% in QM and 47% in HL which is up a bit from when the rework first hit IIRC, but to them that's just barely above the lowest acceptable range of 45-55.
The Lamonster
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I wasn't interested in Lucio until I realized he can shoot while moving.
Are there any other characters that don't have to stand still to (primary) attack?
Are there any other characters that don't have to stand still to (primary) attack?
Tracer.
Yeah, I whined about this last night. Its the least enjoyable thing to play against right now.
Is it your team yelling at you because you picked the ultimate that "isn't in Overwatch"?
Finally got in a game and jesus, Murky seems ridiculous. The slow combined with the auto attack armor and slime just obliterates health bars.
People always surprise you with new ways to be idiots.
People always surprise you with new ways to be idiots.
It does look awesome. I still haven't used it yet. I might if we end up in a double support game and the other support is as equally bad at damage as me on Lucio.