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Sonic Forces - Space Port Gameplay
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Sega: NO, THAT'S NOT GREEN HILL ZONE
Wait is this level not called Green Hill Zone? I don't get the joke lol
JigglesBunny
Banned
If Sonia Mania was the best aspects of the 2D era brought to together in spectacular fashion, Forces looks like the worst aspects of the 3D era compiled into a giant pile of sludge. Just looks so rough.
LordKasual
Banned
This is a regression from Unleashed, Generations, and even Colors.
Nothing about that stage looks exciting, and I actually enjoy modern sonic.
There are unfinished modded Generations PC stages that look more interesting
Nothing about that stage looks exciting, and I actually enjoy modern sonic.
There are unfinished modded Generations PC stages that look more interesting
Megawarrior
Member
Sonic Team is creatively bankrupt. Looks like chemical plant during a different time of day.
And a cutscene in the middle of a stage?
And a cutscene in the middle of a stage?
Blackquill
Member
How can you release that after Mania ??
I'm sending the RPCS3 team my sprit bomb energy (and 2 bucks a month) to get Sonic Unleashed running full speed on emulator one day.
One day. 🙏🙏
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One thing that irritates me is the stop after swinging the rope. Why they would have a full stop happen in a game that wants you to keep momentum is beyond me.
Or you can just mod Sonic Generations and play the daytime levels of Unleashed right now.
Or you can just mod Sonic Generations and play the daytime levels of Unleashed right now.
The visuals look neat. I like the idea of a tundra-esque space station.
The game play mechanics also don't look... terrible. I like the Drill Wisp in this. It seems like it offers way more of a satisfying "oomph" in situational circumstances in contrast to the Modern Sonic's boost which desensitizes you to blistering speed and makes enemy encounters pointless.
The problem I feel is the level design. Modern Sonic's "stop and go" mentality is more apparent than ever in the Avatar's stages because they don't have the boost as a crutch. Instead you get these lanes of enemies that are ripe for the homing attack which slows down the pace tremendously. The Homing Attack is a necessity for 3D Sonic but Sega really needs to go back to the drawing board on how it works, because halting the player's momentum is never a good idea. Instead of stopping you, the homing attack should instead carry momentum forward upon a successful hit.
Also this ought to be pointed out about the cutscene - this footage has no HUD elements what-so-ever, and because of the way the game slows down at every cut during that prolonged sequence, I'm preeeetty sure the cutscene is a QTE, which would explain why it looks so slow and awkward.
The game play mechanics also don't look... terrible. I like the Drill Wisp in this. It seems like it offers way more of a satisfying "oomph" in situational circumstances in contrast to the Modern Sonic's boost which desensitizes you to blistering speed and makes enemy encounters pointless.
The problem I feel is the level design. Modern Sonic's "stop and go" mentality is more apparent than ever in the Avatar's stages because they don't have the boost as a crutch. Instead you get these lanes of enemies that are ripe for the homing attack which slows down the pace tremendously. The Homing Attack is a necessity for 3D Sonic but Sega really needs to go back to the drawing board on how it works, because halting the player's momentum is never a good idea. Instead of stopping you, the homing attack should instead carry momentum forward upon a successful hit.
Also this ought to be pointed out about the cutscene - this footage has no HUD elements what-so-ever, and because of the way the game slows down at every cut during that prolonged sequence, I'm preeeetty sure the cutscene is a QTE, which would explain why it looks so slow and awkward.
I did that years ago lol, I just want all of Sonic Unleashed at a playable framerate because that PS3 version I've had for 10 years really doesn't cut it.
Supposedly Shun Nakamura tweeted that what was shown in the Nintendo Direct wasn't Green Hill.
Then later on, Sega uploads that video.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Maybe Sonic Team needs to hang up their hat and call it a day. Maybe there's game programmers out there that, like the old school ones with Mania, love the Adventure games and want to make something MORE along those lines. Maybe Sega needs to hire those guys to make a new Adventure more up to the fans liking. Only fair and it might be for the best, cause Sonic Team... DAMN!
As an old school Sonic fan, what we got with Mania is top notch. No reason the 3D fans shouldn't have something like that, but for THEM.
Can confirm us Adventure babies are big kids now with full time jobs Sega please take my money
Not just thematically, the level design is looking pretty uninspired as well.
Boostpads/automation everywhere, the rows of enemies, the stages are looking far too linear, especially the 3D sections... It's kinda like they don't know what made Generations fun and just took the bad parts from Colors (3D sections) and Lost World.
My apologies, I picked up the wrong context from you replying to a post that said a rerelease of the Daytime Stages would be more exciting.
Supaidaman
Member
This is the most interesting level they've actually show so far. Which is not saying much but at least is a step up lol.
And I'm certainly on the minority by the looks of it but I'm loving all these vocal tracks.
And I'm certainly on the minority by the looks of it but I'm loving all these vocal tracks.
RomanceDawn
Member
The youtube comments must be from another dimension. But I guess Sonic Team knows their audience because those folks are eating this video up.
It's crazy to me that anyone can think the actual moment to moment gameplay in these 3D Sonic stages looks fun. You don't even do anything! You just run either forward to the right, and kind of lock on to enemies and hit them? Everything else is automated. I have endless runners on my phone that are more mechanics heavy.
This was excusable in the Dreamcast days, when there was a veneer of theatricality going on that made the levels at least fun to watch, but even that isn't true anymore. That was just boring.
I dunno, I just don't get it.
This was excusable in the Dreamcast days, when there was a veneer of theatricality going on that made the levels at least fun to watch, but even that isn't true anymore. That was just boring.
I dunno, I just don't get it.
They're probably the actual audience for these games, not grandpa GAF.
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
That was actually a line from the game he was tweeting.
They were pretty fun in Unleashed (daytime), Colors and Generations. This doesn't look fun though.
Not75Drops
Member
Anything remotely critical posted there is met with the same "the game isn't out yet" and "stop judging without playing it" comments all the time. A lot of Sonic fans have been waiting for a new game since Generations, as Lost World and Boom were Nintendo-exclusive.
I can't really see the appeal in that boss battle video at all. Mania's first boss was more interesting.
One is made by Sonic Team, the other not.
I grew up posting actively on Sonic forums all the way back when I was like 10, those particular arguments have been around as far back as I remember. Even used to parrot them myself when I didn't know better, it's kinda funny looking back lol.
Genuine question. Was theres just a mass exodus of artists and talent from Sonic Team after Generations and Lost World? This game seems filled with reused assets from Generations. Do they straight up not have the budget or talent to actually make wholly new level assets?
Lost World wasnt a great game, but man, it looks like it compared to this.
Lost World wasnt a great game, but man, it looks like it compared to this.
Davey Cakes
Member
I'm totally with you. I watched this video and I just couldn't get any feeling of "I want to control this character and do these things in this level."
There's nothing about it that makes me want to take the driver's seat. The "drive" looks boring and mostly automated. I mean, it's a game likely built for speedrunning and learning the most efficient way through a course, but it just doesn't look particularly enjoyable.
Zomba13
Member
I liked the music here (at least in the train stage) but pretty much everything else I don't care about. Even the deviant art OC do not steal shit with a create-a-character and Infinite being the "nothing personnel kid" guy isn't enough to save this for me. And I loooooooooooove Generations. LOVE it.
moltonasty
Member
The more I see from this game the less interested I get.
Sonic Team sucks man.
Sonic Team sucks man.
There is live and learn buttrock and there is dino jungle buttrock, the two are not the same!
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
Zomba13
Member
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Eh, could be worse I guess. I miss risk taking Sonic Team though. I mean they fell on their faces a lot, but at least they tried. Sonic Team is too afraid of themselves these days.
perfectchaos007
Member
Guys this game is strictly for the Sonic fandom that have been creating their personal sonic universe characters but have never been able to play them in a 3D Sonic game. Now they get to live out their dream. Coldsteel will be a reality.
Nexus Zero
Member
This looks looks like a total fucking mess. Jesus christ this is a shame. It's so jarring, in a game ostensibly about speed and momentum to have the gameplay start and stop on a dime. Previous 3D Sonics have suffered this to various degrees but it's never been worse than this.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Ragnarsson
Member
I liked both Colors and Generations, despite their respective flaws. I wanted to like this game, I was really rooting for Sonic Team to finally make something better than "good". However, every time they showcase this title, it seems more and more apparent they learned all the wrong lessons. It seems even more automated than before; the level design is messy and dull; the idea of introducing a character designed by the player is off-putting and the fact that it plays so differently from Sonic helps to expose some of the more "hidden" flaws in the level design (run a little bit, suddenly stop, run a little bit more, grinding halt, run, stop, run, stop, with no transition whatsoever between any of those moments - at least Sonic's boost makes things seem more... lively); the camera seems to be a nuisance. Those final moments where rows of the same enemy just pop-up waiting to be wrecked by your character are the icing on this sour cake. Who thought that was an exciting sequence? And what about that mid-level cutscene? It doesn't look cool or exciting, it's just ridiculous.
By now, I just wish Sonic Team would stop trying. It's becoming increasingly frustrating to see this franchise in this state of constant underachievement and lack of proper direction. Let Sonic Mania's team do their thing, and kill this thing.
By now, I just wish Sonic Team would stop trying. It's becoming increasingly frustrating to see this franchise in this state of constant underachievement and lack of proper direction. Let Sonic Mania's team do their thing, and kill this thing.
To play devil's advocate for a second, they're showing off the character who isn't so much about speed or momentum.
But they've already proven they have no idea what they're doing with the two Sonics either.
This is more likely to be a QTE, methinks. You can hear a button prompt at the end of the sequence.
I don't think this is an improvement at all.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Sonic Team did stop trying. That's why we have this game. The reception to Lost World seems to have broken their spirit.