Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Shikamaru Ninja said:
Granted, Japanese work culture (i.e, the "job for life" culture) has never really applied elsewhere.
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Senior Game Designer on Metroid Prime/DKCR leaves Retro to join id Software
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Granted, Japanese work culture (i.e, the "job for life" culture) has never really applied elsewhere.
TekkenMaster
Banned
Will Nintendo ever create a new IP with a budget the size of a Mario Galaxy or console Zelda?
I find it incredibly surprising that they haven't attempted something like this since the SNES days with StarFox and F-Zero.
I find it incredibly surprising that they haven't attempted something like this since the SNES days with StarFox and F-Zero.
RiotPelaaja
Remedy
Based on what I've seen and played of Rage (and most other journos too), iD needs design help bigtime.
TekkenMaster
Banned
Codeblue said:
Pikmin doesn't have nearly the budget or R&D level of a new console Mario or Zelda. Asset-wise it's just a lot smaller.
And I doubt Xenoblade does either, although it looks like a great game.
I think Retro would be absolutely perfect to create a new big budget IP for Nintendo. Something really original and unexpected.
JasonUresti
Member
TheExplodingHead said:
Seemed to be pretty obvious in the Iwata asks that it was Nintendo Japan that forced the pointless waggle in. They even talked about Tom Ivey, now the only senior designer left there, being very much against waggle being put in, but in the end the wishes of the senior designer can't compare to what someone in Japan feels like putting into the game.
Very much doubt the Team Meat would be a good fit for senior leadership roles in a large game studio. They are do it themselves kind of guys, just expecting to mesh with an established team instantly, let alone be in charge of a large chunk of that team, would be a bad bet.
Obviously it would suck having all your projects dictated to you, especially after you probably felt that you'd proved yourself by creating some of the most well-regarded games in recent times.
But fact is Retro is Nintendo.
Don't take a job there if you don't want to make Nintendo games.
I hope Retro can continue to make games I like, I've bought every one they've released so far.
But fact is Retro is Nintendo.
Don't take a job there if you don't want to make Nintendo games.
I hope Retro can continue to make games I like, I've bought every one they've released so far.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
JasonUresti said:
Perhaps you're right, it was more of a personal wishful thinking example than anything else. But then again all of the issues that plagued Meat Boy would be non-existent in a Team Meat/Retro game, namely technical, crunch time and budget issues. So I don't know for a platformer I don't think anyone could beat Edmund and Tommy with that kind of budget and team support. Although I'd assume they wouldn't leave the indie scene for Retro realistically.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I still don't get why people are up and arms though - stuff like this happens, yet at the same time this doesn't mean quality will wane on the remnants.
I prefer the Japanese version - he's hotter and voiced by Tetsu Inada.
Gummb said:
EDIT -- According to Wiki: Despite days of constant fighting, Space Patrol Delta was defeated and every single Nintendo employee except for "Doggie" was wiped out. Despite the fall of Retro Studios, SPD survived in the form of other planetary branches and a new central Galaxy Command under Iwata.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Patrol_Delta
Conclusion: Iwata killed Retro.
Edit 2 -- Notice how Metroid Prime was released the year Iwata took control, and ever since, more and more employees keep leaving. D:
I prefer the Japanese version - he's hotter and voiced by Tetsu Inada.
ThatObviousUser
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Damnit Ookamikun.
Cant help but think MS/id focus on bleeding edge tech must have contributed heavily on their decision to move. The next Xbox is going to be a beast (speculation) compared to WiiU, and id software being responsible for setting benchmarks for PC, giving these designers greater potential for their creations.
Prine said:
i think it has to do more with nintendo keeping western devs on an extremely tight leash. nst was reduced to the mario vs dk and dsiware apps guys. other studios were either let go or no long do business with nintendo (like the battalion wars guys). retro's probably been a consistent concern ever since ravenblade and all their other games were canceled. from the sound of it, there wasn't much trust going around before the development of dkcr, and considering attitudes in interviews and judging certain aspects of the final product, the development of dkcr was done to please the higher-ups at ncl, especially guys like miyamoto.
i don't think the type of thinking is limited to nintendo, either.
Well, it seems like another exodus happened at Retro when we look at their job listings:
http://www.retrostudios.com/careers.asp
They were looking to staff up earlier for Wii U that much is true but they've since added positions such as design manager, artist lv 3, engineering lv 3 etc. some positions are already filled though.
http://www.retrostudios.com/careers.asp
They were looking to staff up earlier for Wii U that much is true but they've since added positions such as design manager, artist lv 3, engineering lv 3 etc. some positions are already filled though.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
[Nintex] said:
Oh joy. I take it that we won't be seeing their next solo made game (no Mario Kart 7 doesn't count) for another 2 years then
AceBandage
Banned
[Nintex] said:
So... they can't just hire more staff?
It has to have been an "exodus"?
Your doommongering is getting old, man.
Seems like I misread some stuff, as a mistook this: "Reporting Structure: Engineering Director" for the type of job due to their horrible site lay-out. I asked my brother who's in the gaming biz and he said those are still some pretty high ranking positions overall.Shiggy said:
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
AceBandage said:
Given the circumstances with what happened last time with Mark Pachini and Armature, it's likely that the same thing could've happened again.
AceBandage
Banned
Or, you know, they've been hiring more people since HD development takes up more resources.
Crazy concept, right?
Crazy concept, right?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
They made Viva Pinata, Kameo, and Banjo, three games far, far better than the forced IP disaster of Star Fox Adventures?Jackano said:
ShockingAlberto said:
It's not even an East/West thing either. Iwata has said the only circumstances under which Nintendo would buy a studio was if they were acquiring IP, or they didn't expect the major people in the dev team to leave in the near future.
In terms of this specific departure, it's all part of working for a platform holder, though Nintendo probably exerts more control than most.
nincompoop
Banned
Sorry, only a complete fanboy nutjob would think that.Sho_Nuff82 said:
_Alkaline_
Member
nincompoop said:
He's right on that count. SFA was ass. Those three were good games.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
I think Retro as a studio will be fine, maybe even better depending on who Nintendo adds as replacements. I just don't want to see them deteriorate into a Rare situation due to all talent jumping ship (this time due to Nintendo being so anal about everything).
But all eye's should be on Retro's next project to see if it can equal or surpass past products. If not, than I think it's obvious the lose of talent was a contributing factor. DKCR2 has all the ingredients to be the one of the best platformers ever made, lets see if Retro can do it...and bring Dave Wise back, Yamamoto is best suited to the ambient stuff in Metroid.
But all eye's should be on Retro's next project to see if it can equal or surpass past products. If not, than I think it's obvious the lose of talent was a contributing factor. DKCR2 has all the ingredients to be the one of the best platformers ever made, lets see if Retro can do it...and bring Dave Wise back, Yamamoto is best suited to the ambient stuff in Metroid.
nincompoop
Banned
SFA was a solid experience from start to finish. Kameo was a mishmash of tired and poorly conceived ideas and Banjo was a disaster. VP was a good game but it's not really comparable to SFA._Alkaline_ said:
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I doubt Dinosaur Planet would have been good even if it didn't have the Star Fox skin it.
But Rare already permanently damaged Star Fox with the shit called Krystal.
But Rare already permanently damaged Star Fox with the shit called Krystal.
_Alkaline_
Member
nincompoop said:
SFA was a terribly mediocre game filled with tedious fetch-quests and stale puzzles. It's critical reception at the time was elevated by its (superb) production values.
Kameo was brief and not nearly explored to its full potential, but remains an audiovisual showcase as well as one of the few games of its type to exist on a modern platform. It's also fun to play, which is more than I can say for SFA.
I can't agree that Banjo was a disaster. Certainly a miscommunication between the studio and the fans, and while the concept is novel and solid, some of the time its delivered in ways that either frustrate or underwhelm. However, it also breaches relatively foreign ground. There's an experience to be had in Nuts and Bolts that you can't really get from many other games, and when it does things right, it's a pretty great experience.