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freenudemacusers
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Come down to Cleveland town everyone!
Dude Abides
Banned
Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
That was my thought, if the terrorist hit Cleveland, how would anybody really know?
reggieandTFE
Member
Fuck these idiots for using violence to advance political goals. However, I also hope that this isn't another Brandon Darby situation.
Buddha Beam
Banned
I wonder if they're the right wing extremist kind of anarchists or the "watched The Dark Knight too many times" kind of anarchists.
Anyways, if they'd just wait a few weeks, the bridge probably would've fell down itself. It is Cleveland, after all.
Anyways, if they'd just wait a few weeks, the bridge probably would've fell down itself. It is Cleveland, after all.
Cleveland GAF checking in!
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
Member
There's no such thing as a right wing extremist anarchist. Anarchism is radical leftism.
Well done.
perryfarrell
Member
Sounds a lot like: http://www.esquire.com/features/waffle-house-terrorists-0212
In other words, undercover law enforcement officials entrapping a bunch of clueless radicals who otherwise would never have come close to carrying out, or even planning, what they're charged with.
In other words, undercover law enforcement officials entrapping a bunch of clueless radicals who otherwise would never have come close to carrying out, or even planning, what they're charged with.
So did they want to kill people or did they just want to blow something up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=relmfu
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
That's always the defense. Personally just because there clueless doesn't mean they won't eventually kill a bunch of people some way.
SteveWinwood
Member
Dude Abides
Banned
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
CLEVELAND GAF ASSEMBLE
Cleveland is a vibrant town with diverse peoples, places and businesses. We also have several professional sports teams and are the only major city in Ohio that is not on the top 10 list of bed bug infestations!
People knocking on Cleveland without knowing about it, it's too bad. I've been in Cleveland for a couple of years and think it's a pretty nice town. I was in Ohio City but I moved out to Lakewood--unfortunately I'm out in Indiana on business until the fall.
Edit: Get this now: I actually moved to Cleveland for a job. Hell yeah!
Cleveland is a vibrant town with diverse peoples, places and businesses. We also have several professional sports teams and are the only major city in Ohio that is not on the top 10 list of bed bug infestations!
People knocking on Cleveland without knowing about it, it's too bad. I've been in Cleveland for a couple of years and think it's a pretty nice town. I was in Ohio City but I moved out to Lakewood--unfortunately I'm out in Indiana on business until the fall.
Edit: Get this now: I actually moved to Cleveland for a job. Hell yeah!
Neuromancer
Member
That's some good police work.
Red scare!
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Mothers Day is approaching. Guess they had issues.
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HammerOfThor
Member
I read this as '5 antichrists'...I really need to stop trying to read thread titles fast.
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Vilix
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^^^ And it only increases in value.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Agreed. Treat em like any other terrorist.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
It's really just a shade removed from radical libertarianism. Just like with fascism and communism, if you go far enough to one side you start to come out the other.
Damn someone get them a shaver.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
One on the left must be a part of the Willamsburg Faction.
empty vessel
Member
More "crime" manufactured by the FBI. It's like a parade these days. Anytime you see these words, "Both men say the public was never in danger from the explosive devices, which were controlled by an undercover FBI employee," you can pretty safely assume it's yet another example of law enforcement agencies orchestrating crimes to "solve." Makes 'em look good and keeps you in fear.
Another red flag: "a series of evolving plots over several months." I wonder how those plots "evolved" over time?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
Yeah...sure. Heaven forbid we actually funnel violent nuts into law enforcement and prevent acts of violence than wait for them to try and do something and clean up the mess.
Maybe they shouldn't have been so committed to political violence in the first place. They only have themselves to blame for their stupidity.
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Vilix
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They arrested the members of Clutch? Freaking oppressive government.
More Fun To Compute
Member
That bridge was unsafe. They were just doing their civic duty as anarchists to do what is good for the community without the dead hand of the state taking credit.
perryfarrell
Member
Here's another article on how these aren't anywhere close to actual terrorist plots, but just law enforcement officials creating imaginary threats by duping some clueless radicals.
Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the FBI: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=2
Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the FBI: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=2
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
That's an OP-ED not a news article.
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Really, dude?
Well, he's right.
It's not entrapment, but there is a big leap from being a (violent) radical and acquiring the resources and hatching a plot to use them. Until the FBI conveniently stops by and offers you all the resources you need and a plan to use them
Dude Abides
Banned
I believe the point is that, but for law enforcement's involvement, there would have been no plot. So law enforcement is essentially creating crime that it can then prevent. Seems rather pointless.
empty vessel
Member
Of course. It's quite common. Almost all of the "terrorism" plots "foiled" in the past five years have been manufactured and orchestrated by the FBI, this one no different. It's transparent, and you'd have to be pretty dense not to see through it. The article itself tells you that the plot was orchestrated by the FBI.
empty vessel
Member
The intent is also manufactured. Invariably, it is the FBI agent that comes up with the idea. The FBI would never run an operation like this on somebody like Tim McVeigh. These are politically motivated. Muslims and leftists only. And Tim McVeigh didn't need any help getting the idea of blowing something up. These guys almost certainly did. As did most of the Muslims that these operations are run against.
el retorno
Member
The people are go looking to do these acts. They are the ones who inciate it otherwise it would be entrapment.
Providing the means and playing along with someone isn´t wrong and its keeping us safer.
Would you rather the FBI just let them go to an actual terrorist?
no, otherwise a court would strike it down. A lot of the actual specifics are create by the FBI doesn´t go up to someone and say he do you want to blow up something and then bust them. That´s entrapment
And you´re joking if you think the FBI doesn´t care about rightwing terrorists. Because they do the same thing to them
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501369_162-20128867/feds-online-novel-played-role-in-ga-militia-plot/
ClassyPenguin
Banned
sam Harris is way ahead of you...
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Vilix
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Yeah, I'm not buying it. That reminds me of the whole UFO conspiracy of "There's people behind the curtain, pulling the strings, from keeping the masses from knowing the real truth" thing.
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