CornBurrito
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It is never outright stated, but the letter you get from Quark talking about Junpei along with Dio's lying scumbag nature suggest that Dio was indeed lying.
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Virtue's Last Reward SPOILER Thread
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It is never outright stated, but the letter you get from Quark talking about Junpei along with Dio's lying scumbag nature suggest that Dio was indeed lying.
Alec
Member
Plus Dio lied about his 'wife and kid' in that one scenario...Dio is just 100% a lying scumbag.
It's not explicitly stated as such, but it seems likely.
Well I know that, that's just Dragon Ball time travel.
But who the hell is in Kyle? Since when can people jump into other people's bodies, even in Zero Escape?
CornBurrito
Member
My guess is yes, but I don't want to believe it.
K is just so awesome, and I'd hate for him to have been mean to Luna.
Well, if you can jump into your own body it isnt a stretch to be able to jump into someone else's body. It probably takes a TON of power to be able to hijack someone though. That's... actually pretty concerning.
Anyway the person in Kyle is apparently YOU. That's how ? knows all about the game.
Everyone here thinks that's the case, which means poor Luna got really abused emotionally in the past from him.
On a different note, it's been so long, and but was there a Q room or something in 999?
Yes. In the second Nonary game...
Was that the coffin room?
My guess is yes, but I don't want to believe it.
K is just so awesome, and I'd hate for him to have been mean to Luna.
Well, if you can jump into your own body it isnt a stretch to be able to jump into someone else's body. It probably takes a TON of power to be able to hijack someone though. That's... actually pretty concerning.
Anyway the person in Kyle is apparently YOU. That's how ? knows all about the game.
So it's literally me, Roto13, the player? Because that's stupid and I hope not. Keep the fourth wall, please.
totally
I'd go a step further: they may have engineered the virus to create that specific thought. Slows thinking down, makes people feel they need to "get out", and so commit suicide and doing what Free the Soul wants: people killing themselves and abandoning their bodies.
I'm guessing this goes back to the root thing, there was some talk about how everyone may be connected on a higher level with the lower levels (like roots) being distinct individuals. I wonder if that's what Free the Soul wants, an attempt to drive all of humanity back up to that higher point and exist as a single entity? Problem is I'm guessing individuals are needed for that to even exist, much like roots, so it's only a path to destruction on all levels of existence.
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly I believe that to be the case as well. I just found it kind of ridiculous that someone could engineer a virus to generate specific thoughts. But in hindsight it isn't really that weird considering everything else in the series.
IIRC q was the door in the incinerator that young Akane and co. had to escape from.
SUPER CURIOUS
I had an option in the rightmost path to Ally or Betray Phi. I decided to Betray just for game reasons since I hated to choose Betray and just wanted to see what happens. Turns out Phi said she will remember this and she did when I went back to the Ally path which totally mindfucked me. Freaked me out and almost made me wanna restart a save but i stuck with it. Did anyone choose Ally first?
I had an option in the rightmost path to Ally or Betray Phi. I decided to Betray just for game reasons since I hated to choose Betray and just wanted to see what happens. Turns out Phi said she will remember this and she did when I went back to the Ally path which totally mindfucked me. Freaked me out and almost made me wanna restart a save but i stuck with it. Did anyone choose Ally first?
I cannot remember what I chose, but I recall that happening.
One of my favorite parts of the whole game - the interaction with Phi while jumping through various consciousness's, facilitated by the morphogenetic field.
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I chose Ally first, and Phi betrayed me. Then she said "I told you I wouldn't forget" and Sigma acted very confused. Then I went to betray her and she chose Ally and got all pissed off and said she'd remember. Heh. I think
CornBurrito
Member
I did. She does the same thing, leaving you incredibly confused.
Also just a thought I had:
Brother has the goal of well... freeing the soul from the body to purify people. I'm almost certain at one point the game uses the word contagiousness and soul interchangeably. In a way, the AB game also has the goal that Brother has. Except in this case, it is focusing exclusively to "free" the soul of Sigma and Phi so that they can move across timelines.
Akane even says something to the extent of "your consciousness is now free from its 3 dimensional cage."
Crazy conspiracy time: Radical 6 was initially meant to make everyone on Earth espers. Things went incredibly wrong though.
I cannot remember what I chose, but I recall that happening.
One of my favorite parts of the whole game - the interaction with Phi while jumping through various consciousness's, facilitated by the morphogenetic field.
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I chose Ally first, and Phi betrayed me. Then she said "I told you I wouldn't forget" and Sigma acted very confused. Then I went to betray her and she chose Ally and got all pissed off and said she'd remember. Heh. I think
ahhh, so i guess going Betray first was the way to go. Man, that was scary, lol
CornBurrito
Member
My jaw dropped when Alice was apparently asleep from Soporol, and I picked ally and then died.
Yeah, if you pick Ally first you hit a lock because Sigma doesn't know what the hell's going on and how to calm Phi down. Once you betray her and learn the Latin phrase and why she's so angry, you can talk her down in the Ally route.
I was so pissed off at her when that happened. Goddamn bitch :<
yea, that was just weird. glad they explained it away in the Betray path.
ICE-9! :3
Yeah, I seriously hated her for that and in the betray path where she initially tried to explain it. But later on in that path I couldn't hate her that much.
She's ice cold :3 haha
I noticed the ally path was curiously short, and had to see whether you died then, or if it opened up a new branch.
YOU DIED
At least it was explained, it'd have been AMAZING if you picked betray, only for her to default and then get in a huff over it despite the fact she beelines to kill you in Ally.
YOU DIED
At least it was explained, it'd have been AMAZING if you picked betray, only for her to default and then get in a huff over it despite the fact she beelines to kill you in Ally.
I remember being "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT!" Then I died, and I bet Alice felt bad because she murdered me. And everyone else must have hated her too.
I don't think she felt bad one bit.
She's not a heartless monster!
Then why did she betray Sigma when she would have defaulted to Ally anyway?
I think this might be explained by waking up on a drowsy haze and just knowing she needs to be defensive to get out fastest. Or perhaps she completely expected retaliation for her earlier betray and was sure Sigma would get back at her for that while comatose, and if that's the case then she probably would feel bad about expecting the worst from him. Would explain how you could still get her ending on the betray path anyway.
Because she assumed Sigma was going to take advantage of the situation, and she chose the logical route.
And the sedation could have altered her thought process. I believe in my Egyptian princess!
In one timeline, she does choose to ally with you...then Sigma betrays her.
Exactly. It's kind of amazing though how she had the audacity to FORCE you to go with her in the Betray timeline (then betray you immediately upon getting out), yet wants nothing to do with you in the other timeline.
:O I SEE WHAT YOU DONE
CornBurrito
Member
I'm pretty sure when you betray and then later confront her in the garden she mentions how she didn't even think about killing you, but that she was so scared she probably wouldn't have cared.
Yeah, I remember that scene. During the initial stage, she probably would be emotionless. Though, sooner or later, she would feel the regret.
Oh you.
So did anyone note which paths you can go through without having completed anything?
I got Dio and Clover before anyone else, but by the time I got to them, I'd already gotten Luna and K's to be continued.
It's hard to recommend a more linear route that gets you progressively closer to the truth a little at a time, like in 999.
I guess that is the point or something.
What routes do you guys think would work best if you weren't limited?
My memory's terrible, so I can't think of anything besides Clover -> Dio going 1st. Luna -> Phi obviously last.
I got Dio and Clover before anyone else, but by the time I got to them, I'd already gotten Luna and K's to be continued.
It's hard to recommend a more linear route that gets you progressively closer to the truth a little at a time, like in 999.
I guess that is the point or something.
What routes do you guys think would work best if you weren't limited?
My memory's terrible, so I can't think of anything besides Clover -> Dio going 1st. Luna -> Phi obviously last.
SoulUnison
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Is the only "lock" on the Two-Headed Lion Login path the Login screen itself?
What happens if you start a new file, take that path first, and already know the code?
What happens if you start a new file, take that path first, and already know the code?
I think this is correct, but not 100% sure.
Clover ending - no requirements
Dio ending - no requirements
Tenmyouji ending - requires Laboratory knowledge
K ending - requires Clover ending
Alice ending - requires Dio ending, Laboratory knowledge
Sigma ending - requires Alice ending
Quark ending - requires Sigma ending
Luna ending - requires K ending, Sigma ending; can be skipped if you just type in the passwords
Phi ending - requires a bunch of endings
Just finished the game at 3:30 AM, and holy hell WHAT A MIND FUCK. Like, I seriously have almost no idea what's going on in END or BEGINNING and had such a hard time following which conscience went where. I'm going to read through this thread to try to help figure it out though.
I have to say, contrary to what is likely the popular opinion, I was a bit disappointed by the ending. It didn't really reveal anything I hadn't already figured out ages ago except for the "Sigma is an old man/Zero" bit and the exact plans of how to change Radical-8 among a other things. I guess I didn't really consider most of it that shocking. (Except the old man bit, which I didn't exactly like because I want handsome young Sigma thank you very much! >:O ) Seriously, judging by what I know now, I had most of it figured out by my third ending.
Also, I remember the OVA showed Sigma looking young, that kinda conflicts with the real story, doesn't it...
I have to say, contrary to what is likely the popular opinion, I was a bit disappointed by the ending. It didn't really reveal anything I hadn't already figured out ages ago except for the "Sigma is an old man/Zero" bit and the exact plans of how to change Radical-8 among a other things. I guess I didn't really consider most of it that shocking. (Except the old man bit, which I didn't exactly like because I want handsome young Sigma thank you very much! >:O ) Seriously, judging by what I know now, I had most of it figured out by my third ending.
Also, I remember the OVA showed Sigma looking young, that kinda conflicts with the real story, doesn't it...
Dio's and Clover's ending are the only ones without a scenario lock.
Clover's ending unlocks K's ending.
Then you need to complete the Laboratory escape room and play past it.
This unlocks the paths to Tenmyouji's and Alice's (you also need Dio's ending for Alice) ending.
Alice's ending now unlocks Sigma's ending, which in turn unlocks Quark's ending and give's you the ID for Luna's ending (technically you can watch Luna's ending much earlier, when you just know the login).
After you have all the other 8 endings you can finally watch Phi's ending. Knowing all the codes means, it's actually enough to get Luna's, Alice's and Dio's endings.