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Mass Effect 3 PC Gamer Details [Up3: Four Demos At E3, 30+ Minute Livestream]
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edgefusion
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WanderingWind said:
Maybe from a straight perspective but there are barely any gay characters represented in games. If the character talks and isn't completely flaming then it's a step up from what we get now. I'd rather have an embarrassing gay relationship in ME3 than to be shunned entirely.
He's currently busy on a side project.WanderingWind said:
heliosRAzi
Banned
I like to call them Bro Squad.MWS Natural said:
TIM working for the Reapers is like the Klu Klux Klan working for the NAACP.
edgefusion said:
I'm sure that if they could do it again, they'd let players choose to be homosexual from the first game.
But now, they'd have to basically have it so that a middle age Shepard all the sudden decides/discovers he gay. I'm not trying to be insulting or dismissive in any way, but I thought the current position of the gay community was that one is born gay. Wouldn't Shepard "going gay" be an insult to that community?
Darkmakaimura
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SilentProtagonist
Member
Yeah, but do you honestly expect a pro-anything group to keep their morals in the face of ultimate annihilation? I predict there will be many factions/people who end up allying with the reapers in hope of mercy during the story. Hell, the offer for cerebrus could be to kill off all of the other races and leave humans as the dominate "slave-race".Ickman3400 said:
Pretty much, what I'm saying here is that this, to me, is not shocking or surprising at all, from a "this kind of thing always happens in stories" perspective.
And plus.... we just know that they've allied with the reapers and have no idea why... The WHY is the part they could fuck up, but right now... It doesn't raise my eyebrow. The "why" is always the most important part in storytelling.....
squicken said:
As far as male Shepard goes, there are plenty of people who don't realize that they're gay until later in life, or it's possible that he's bisexual and has always been interested in men without acting on it during these particular missions.
As far as female Shepard, it's pretty damned offensive that Bioware has gone out of their way to insist that even hooking up with Liara doesn't make any version of Shepard "actually gay" even though she can still flirt mercilessly with Chambers. So, okay, she's not gay, she's just one of those annoying girls who kiss other girls for male attention? Great character choice, Bioware. (I also refuse to believe that a genetically perfect woman like Miranda wouldn't go both ways. Come on.)
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Twittering? Or was there some project in there with the Henry VIII and hentai derby stuff that I missed?Nirolak said:
How the hell did you end up with this? There are huge communities of gay gamers for both men and women. The call for gay/bi characters are crazy big.TheChaos said:
He'll one of the most well known ME 1 mods is to have a gay relationship with Kaiden forged sake. Not only that but look around at all the demand, the videos and other things to have the genetic masterpiece Miranda to show interest in both the female side.
There is certainly enough people who would like or even love a fully gay character. I won't argue and say Bioware is wrong or don't have a reason, but trying to say there wouldn't be enough support is crazy talk.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ah. You are a humorous dude.Nirolak said:
But let's break this down real quick. Mass Effect has upset gay gamers, who rightfully feel their desires are not being met. So, what's the solution? Let's throw "everybody is bi" out the window, because that's offensive to everybody. We need to have two choices for the three main sexual preferences, because only one still forces a players hand too much.
Male
2 straight, 2 gay, 2 bi. That's six characters.
Female
2 straight, 2 gay, 2 bi. That's six more.
So, if your RPG is going to have relationships, in order to make everybody happy, you'll need a minimum of 12, fully-fleshed out characters, all voiced and with enough dialogue to make the romance seem more than "hey, you were sorta polite to me, let's fuck immediately."
...sucks to be a game dev, eh?
I don't need to calm down. Just pointing out that Bioware's very own community shot that theory to shit.TheChaos said:
I wonder what that Data was. When did they make that statement?
I'm just wondering. Depending on the timing their easily seems to be more then enough call for it to have same sex given Dragon Age 1 and 2. So it doesn't seem like their wasnt enough call for it so much as the straight side remained stronger and they don't want to lock out that fan base and not so much the gay side is properly supported.
edgefusion
Member
WanderingWind said:
That's how I roll.
TruePrime said:
The community makes up a very small (and vocal) part of the fanbase. Their message boards may want something, but that doesn't mean the general public will. Bioware probably did outside research on the subject. Look at how many people chose Male Shepherd (was it like 80%) despite everybody swearing up and down that femShep was better.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The people who argue that Miranda must be bi because she's like, genetically engineered and stuff, kind of weird me out. I mean, we'd all love to have sex with Yvonne, but lusting that hard after polygons is so way to get through life, son
Mr_Zombie said:
THIS. SO MUCH THIS. It's completely asinine to punish the players who decided to get it on during ME2. How can I be unfaithful when I was dead for two years and through the miracle of science was allowed to live once again? Not to mention as Zombie put it, Liara(I romanced her in the first game as well)was not interested in me at all. I moved on and she moved on. That's how I see it. Why should we be punished for that?
I don't even wanna talk about that awesome retcon where Udina is councilor. That's some straight up bullshit. Who the fuck would pick Udina in their playthrough? He was such an ass. Don't give me that bullshit that Anderson belongs in the "field". That's such a pitiful excuse. I remember him saying something akin to "I'm too old for this shit" when you asked if he wanted to come on your journey in ME1. Not to mention, he had also mentioned that he would be able to do some good as councilor on the Citadel. Again, bullshit. I think this game will be good but some of the choices Bioware has made in regard to the overall plot is so stupid.
Well taking that approach really doesn't fix the problem on way or another.TheChaos said:
For one picking male Shepard at that high a rate shouldn't be shocking when Mass Effect is a core gam which generally attract a 18-25 male, not to mention it's John Shepard's face they slap across every single piece of Mass Effect material.
I'm not trying o say gays are as in demand as m/f relationships. Just that their is big enough support for them.
Also percents are a tricky thing to use. What was the stat that a firm came out with about people finishing games? Like 30 percent or something crazy small? I think we can both agree that devs should still finish the games even if most people don't finish them.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, Liara not really giving a shit about your return was the single most jarring thing about the second game.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I haven't played the Shadow Broker DLC. In vanilla, she hugs you, then sits at a desk and gives you 2 missions and acts as an info dump for 2 more.TruePrime said:
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Uh, she kisses you. Maybe in your game you dun screwed up by hittin on another girl and she heard via her info channels.
She's over 100 years old. Do you think that kind of person gets all giddy no matter what the depth of their love? Plus, knowing that she'll outlive Shepard by about 850 years gives her a bit of perspective about handling things in a balanced manner.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Maybe. I'm currently replaying as my Male/Ashley romance character. My real character romanced Liara, but I recall the reunion being lame there too.Aurarian said:
Mr Killemgood
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My thought on the TIM indoctrination/Cerberus after you arguments:
I think you could have a reasonable argument for Cerberus coming after you without reconning the entire thing.
Cerberus is an Earth-first shadow group. If you were on trial on Earth when the Reapers invaded, it would be plausible for an indoctrinated TIM (but not the entire organization) to blame the Reaper invasion on Shepard, then allocating its resources to fight you, assuming that Shepard was the key to helping them invade, not TIM.
My thought is that the whole TIM shift will likely involve the Collector's base, regardless if you saved it or not. Even if it was blown up, it makes total sense that TIM would still send Cerberus after the remains, and could still find some piece of Reaper tech to fully indoctrinate/activate TIM to send Cerberus to attack Shep.
I think you could have a reasonable argument for Cerberus coming after you without reconning the entire thing.
Cerberus is an Earth-first shadow group. If you were on trial on Earth when the Reapers invaded, it would be plausible for an indoctrinated TIM (but not the entire organization) to blame the Reaper invasion on Shepard, then allocating its resources to fight you, assuming that Shepard was the key to helping them invade, not TIM.
My thought is that the whole TIM shift will likely involve the Collector's base, regardless if you saved it or not. Even if it was blown up, it makes total sense that TIM would still send Cerberus after the remains, and could still find some piece of Reaper tech to fully indoctrinate/activate TIM to send Cerberus to attack Shep.
Ickman3400
Banned
RedSwirl said:
I wouldn't even go as far as dialogue, just characters. As I said before their games are so empty in almost every aspect now that they're basically just big budget dating sims.
Hahaha the Illusive man is working with the reapers. We called it in another thread. Disappointed by the lack of Mordin and Miranda so far. I have hopes for both though. If cheating is supposed to come back to haunt you then she must appear at some point.
Also in another thread it was said that
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Obnoxious Cerberus Cheerleader > Space bigot
Also in another thread it was said that
You would do something about the genophage so Mordin will probably be there for that quest
Obnoxious Cerberus Cheerleader > Space bigot
Confidence Man
Member
Illusive Man never wanted to stop the Reapers. He understood, like Saren, that their return could not be stopped. He used Shepard to wipe out the Collectors for their technology so Cerberus and a select number of human colonies can evade and outlast the Reaper invasion, and once they've wiped the galaxy clean of non-humans, he and Cerberus can claim the Citadel and become the absolute dominant species. Losing Earth is simply a necessary sacrifice.
TheFightingFish
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brandonh83 said:
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only gamer who really likes the Bioware romances for the reasons that you listed above as opposed to the creepy Tali fanart reasons. I mean, come on, it's hard enough to portray romance successfully with human actors in a movie, so trying to do it with poorly animated Muppets is just incredibly amusing. I love the BioWare moments where a character tries to spill out their love for you while your po-faced character avatar just stares back at them with all the emotion of Agent Smith. Or two characters who've only had probably 20 lines of dialog together now take the time awkwardly grind polygonal crotches together before launching on a mission to defeat some alien menace. I want Bioware romances in every game (Call of Duty, Madden, Tetris, whatever) it's freaking hilarious and always puts a smile on my face. Maybe I'm just odd like that.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Cerberus is working with the Reapers?
No WREX?!
I'm getting an "Episode 3" letdown vibe here. All it needs is to have Liara say to Shepard "Johnny, I want to have our baby back on Naboo" and make it complete.
No WREX?!
I'm getting an "Episode 3" letdown vibe here. All it needs is to have Liara say to Shepard "Johnny, I want to have our baby back on Naboo" and make it complete.
RedSwirl said:
From game to game their characters do seem to be the things that get the most praise. That's something ME2 played up. It was a story that revolved around it's cast. You can say what you want about Dragon Age 2 (there are good arguments for and against), but as far as I'm concerned, that game has BioWare's best, most well-rounded and unique cast of characters yet. So yeah, I could see that.
Rahxephon91
Banned
This amount of hyperpole is a little too much.Ickman3400 said:
Ickman3400
Banned
Rahxephon91 said:
You're right, it's not even an in depth dating sim. You just talk to the person a few times after main missions and then you get to screw him/her. So they didn't even get that right.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Whatever, I don't have time for these kind of idiotic statements. The game is'nt anywhere close to out and you're already calling it terrible and the entire dating sim thing is stupid. I don't even know if your joking, dosen't sound like it. But yes it's a dating sim first and foremost, forget about everything else in the game. Nope, just forget the games talk about new additions to combat and a return of in depth rpg elements. It's a dating sim, even though it's a part of the game that can be avoided and is largely unimportant.Ickman3400 said: