Support NeoGAF

Revolutionary · Oct 20, 2017

GavinUK86 said:
I can't tell if you're being serious or not...

So you're just going to play dumb, got it.

RumbleHumble said:
I think it's fair to get pissy at McAffrey for promoting a shitty guy's video game built around a shitty gamergate wet dream. Especially when his own co-workers were harassed by Gamergate (Chloi Rad, Alanna Pierce)

He's merely doing his job and, no, I don't think it's fair to get pissy at him for posting a video and trying to promote it. If his co-workers have a problem with promoting a particular videogame on the website that they all work for, then surely they'd have let him know.

Mechazawa said:
Riding hard for some goobergater shit cuz it's an Xbox exclusive is definitely something worthy of derision.

(And as a side note, completely unsurprising from Mccaffrey.)

I'm unaware of any history of the guy (I don't visit IGN), so if that "calling out" post is based on some previously known knowledge then that's my mistake. I just didn't like the way it was framed as a target to go after.

BBboy20 · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
I'm not defending the game itself insofar as I'm defending it's right to exist, be covered by media, and for people to express interest in it without be slandered outright.

Concern = slander?

TetraGenesis · Oct 20, 2017

Hatefilled Vengeance said:
Just don't see a point in passing judgement on how much of the creator's dumb personal views influenced the final project until it's actually done. Until then, I will continue to hope that the gameplay can match the visuals. I have a high tolerance for shit bag creators who make interesting art, but if others don't want to support it, I understand why.

See:

xxracerxx said:

^ I love that people are tweeting that at Ryan M. now.

AlexFlame116 said:
Oh it got everyone's attention alt-right.

FTFY

Shaanyboi · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
I'm not defending the game itself insofar as I'm defending it's right to exist, be covered by media, and for people to express interest in it without be slandered outright.

It has every right to exist. And everyone here has the right to tell it and its creator to fuck off.

the_darkness · Oct 20, 2017

RumbleHumble said:
Arguing that a game's central themes or identity won't, at the very least, subconsciously influence the person playing the game is disingenuous. Sure not everyone will walk away an alt-righter, but subtle propaganda is still propaganda.

What are your thoughts on GTA and those who play it?

MoogleMan · Oct 20, 2017

Mushroomer25 said:
I'm not even intending to defend a specific poster. I'm just not a fan of the mob mentality that says 'This person isn't aware this game was made by an asshole! Clearly, they are also an asshole!'.

That's typical neogaf. I tend to ignore the drama culture that seems to be so popular these days.

The game looks good.

His beliefs are not my own.

Because I buy the game does not mean I support his beliefs, regardless of what neogaf says, thinks, or believes. It means I like the game and support his work on the game.

There's a reason it's never a good idea to bring your personal life to the workplace.

GavinUK86 · Oct 20, 2017

Revolutionary said:
So you're just going to play dumb, got it.

Calm down my friend. No need for name calling. Someone asked about IGN, he works for IGN, I pointed towards his tweets so people can see that, no, IGN nor it's employee's are bothered.

Salarians · Oct 20, 2017

AlexFlame116 said:
Phil Fish and Fez aren't/weren't in the same situation that Tim Soret and The Last Night are in.

The comparison is even weirder when you consider that Phil Fish was actually a target of G*G.

Moon Presence said:
Game looks incredible. Too bad it's not on Playstation.

I love this post

Wamb0wneD · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
I'm not defending the game itself insofar as I'm defending it's right to exist, be covered by media, and for people to express interest in it without be slandered outright.

Ah, muh freeze peach. When a game is made by an alt righter about a dystopia where America is ruled by a mexican president and where the (((globalists)))) are the ones secretly in power I'm looking forward to see you in that thread arguing it should get covered and people being interested on it are completely fine.

the_darkness said:
What are your thoughts on GTA and those who play it?

The fuck has GTA to do with this? GTA isn't made to spread a harmful and amoral political stance.

Tamanator · Oct 20, 2017

Keinning said:
you can't seriously be comparing phil fish to tim soret

and in the end phil fish antics did harm to him, not others

Yeah, publically humiliating a Japanese developer only harmed Fish and no one else.

Sure.

Speely · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
I'm not defending the game itself insofar as I'm defending it's right to exist, be covered by media, and for people to express interest in it without be slandered outright.

The premise of the game calls feminism a road to a dystopia. Who is more worthy of defense here, that game's creator and his supporters or women in general?

If we can't use free speech to call it like we see it, what good is it?

Alucrid · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
That's typical neogaf. I tend to ignore the drama culture that seems to be so popular these days.

The game looks good.

His beliefs are not my own.

Because I buy the game does not mean I support his beliefs, regardless of what neogaf says, thinks, or believes. It means I like the game and support his work on the game.

There's a reason it's never a good idea to bring your personal life to the workplace.

you sure seem to loathe neogaf

Primethius · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
I'm not defending the game itself insofar as I'm defending it's right to exist, be covered by media, and for people to express interest in it without be slandered outright.

Right.

I'll just continue to hope this game bombs to the high heavens so that the creator doesn't subject the world to another shitty take of his.

RumbleHumble · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
What are your thoughts on GTA and those who play it?

GTA is a great satire of the American dream and should be taught in schools.

I think you're getting thematic material confused with content, buddy.

Neuromancer · Oct 20, 2017

Pretty gross, IGN. But whatever pays the bills I guess.

kevin1025 · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
Bullshit. Closing your eyes and ears to contrary opinions is not the way forward.

I don't support this game's supposed message. But I'm happy to explore it even if it means at the end of the game I sit back and say "well that was fucking dumb"

Both sides, am I right?

jacobeid · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
That's typical neogaf. I tend to ignore the drama culture that seems to be so popular these days.

The game looks good.

His beliefs are not my own.

Because I buy the game does not mean I support his beliefs, regardless of what neogaf says, thinks, or believes. It means I like the game and support his work on the game.

There's a reason it's never a good idea to bring your personal life to the workplace.

You know you can leave, right?

Revolutionary · Oct 20, 2017

Speely said:
The premise of the game calls feminism a road to a dystopia. Who is more worthy of defense here, that game's creator and his supporters or women in general?

If we can't use free speech to call it like we see it, what good is it?

Unless we make it off-world, every conceivable future for this world ends in dystopia.

CheesecakeRecipe · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
Because I buy the game does not mean I support his beliefs, regardless of what neogaf says, thinks, or believes. It means I like the game and support his work on the game.

His beliefs are the game.

You are directly supporting that by giving him money.

This is not difficult.

the_darkness said:
At least have some semblance of perspective.

Animal cruelty, human exploitation and destroying our planet = A-OK.

Someone with shitty views about feminism = I hope his career is ruined and he rots in hell

the_darkness said:
Bullshit. Closing your eyes and ears to contrary opinions is not the way forward.

I don't support this game's supposed message. But I'm happy to explore it even if it means at the end of the game I sit back and say "well that was fucking dumb"

You aren't anywhere near as enlightened as you like to pretend you are.

AlexFlame116 · Oct 20, 2017

TetraGenesis said:
FTFY

I honestly wish I was that creative!

Salarians said:
The comparison is even weirder when you consider that Phil Fish was actually a target of G*G.

That's the crazy thing. I don't know why people are bringing in Fez as an example. Phil Fish may have not been on everybody's friend list (he sure wasn't on mine with the way he talked about Japan's game development) but he was attacked by GG themselves. The Last Night isn't even comparable with that.

Thanks for the link by the way!

Arkage · Oct 20, 2017

Still hyped for this game.

The specific dev later said this game is not influence by GG or feminism, and that he has since changed his mind on the statements he made back then. And the team behind it put out a statement distancing themselves from the tweets and said the team doesn't tolerate those concepts. Good enough for me.

Viewing this game as a moral soapbox for demonstrating pro or anti GG sentiment is a bit (very) overly dramatic for me, but to each their own.

BBboy20 · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
THis beliefs are not my own.

And his beliefs have been proven to be dangerous.

the_darkness · Oct 20, 2017

kevin1025 said:
Both sides, am I right?

lol no. Not even close to an appropriate use of that idiom.

Believing that Mein Kampf should be available in libraries and bookstores is not an endorsement of its author or viewpoint.

Speely · Oct 20, 2017

Revolutionary said:
Unless we make it off-world, every conceivable future for this world ends in dystopia.

That has nothing to do with the intent of this man to directly, speculatively tie it to equality for women.

Come on.

Keinning · Oct 20, 2017

Tamanator said:
Yeah, publically humiliating a Japanese developer only harmed Fish and no one else.

Sure.

https://kotaku.com/5989862/japanese-games-just-suck-target-has-a-message-for-phil-fish-thank-you

and now i ask you where phil fish is

it's not a competition of who suffered more, phil fish is still wrong for all the shit he said. but denying that he hurt himself the most makes no sense. and comparing him to tim soret, even less

MoogleMan · Oct 20, 2017

Alucrid said:
you sure seem to loathe neogaf

I love gaf for the news, dev interaction, game impressions, etc. But the mob mentality on gaf is really tedious at times. I usually just avoid threads like this but the dog pile is crazy sometimes.

Basically according to gaf, if you've ever said anything even remotely racist or misogynistic, you're a pile of shit and deserve to die. I don't follow that belief system at all. And absolutely no one is completely innocent.

jacobeid · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
I love gaf for the news, dev interaction, game impressions, etc. But the mob mentality on gaf is really tedious at times. I usually just avoid threads like this but the dog pile is crazy sometimes.

Basically according to gaf, if you've ever said anything even remotely racist or misogynistic, you're a pile of shit and deserve to die. I don't follow that belief system at all. And absolutely no one is completely innocent.

Do you know anything about this game? At all?

Like, maybe the entire premise of the game?

Wamb0wneD · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
That's typical neogaf. I tend to ignore the drama culture that seems to be so popular these days.

The game looks good.

His beliefs are not my own.

Because I buy the game does not mean I support his beliefs, regardless of what neogaf says, thinks, or believes. It means I like the game and support his work on the game.

There's a reason it's never a good idea to bring your personal life to the workplace.

You support his beliefs by giving him money for his misogynistic game. It's not only that he has mysoginistic views, the freaking game itself has a mysoginistic premise. Why the hell would you want to play that? Because it looks good and to stick it to outraged people?

I'm the last person going with the outrage bandwagon, but this is so blatantly wrong that just supporting it because it has a nice artstyle comes across as indifferent and superficial at best.

BBboy20 · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
Basically according to gaf, if you've ever said anything even remotely racist or misogynistic, you're a pile of shit

.....weeeeeelllllllllllllllllll.....

LiquidSolid · Oct 20, 2017

Ashodin said:
This is not the same thing. And in all honesty any Miramax movies Weinstein had personal hands in should be obscured or removed from views.

IGN should have done the research before trying to promote this game. It has a clear negative spiel that needs to be looked at and rejected.

There's absolutely no chance McCaffrey and IGN didn't know. Everyone was talking about this asshole after it appeared at Microsoft's conference, including Shannon Loftis. They either don't give a shit or are supporters of those views.

IGN can fuck off and take this game with them.

BRocknRolla · Oct 20, 2017

xxracerxx said:

That this is a real tweet is absolutely mind melting.

More_Badass · Oct 20, 2017

Every time I get reminded of this game, it sucks. As a huge fan of modern pixel art and cyberpunk and cinematic platformer, this was clicking every box for me. Even posted about its GIFs and dev updates a ton on GAF. It was probably my most anticipated indie game after Rain World

So of course it turns out to be about an alt-rights nightmare of a dystopia built upon and based around the devs fucked-up beliefs. A very story-driven, choice-heavy adventure based on all that, to the point that the creator wanted to put a Gamergate mascot in the game as a character.

Fuck that. Such a disappointing turn-of-events. You cant separate creator from creation when the creators beliefs form the backbone and story of that creation.

the_darkness · Oct 20, 2017

CheesecakeRecipe said:
You aren't anywhere near as enlightened as you like to pretend you are.

What a nonsense thing to say.

MoogleMan · Oct 20, 2017

jacobeid said:
Do you know anything about this game? At all?

Like, maybe the entire premise of the game?

I do, but it's fiction. Fiction is not reality. Nor do I want it to be. I like to experience things in fiction.

Ashodin · Oct 20, 2017

LiquidSolid said:
There's absolutely no chance McCaffrey and IGN didn't know. Everyone was talking about this asshole after it appeared at Microsoft's conference, including Shannon Loftis. They either don't give a shit or are supporters of those views.

IGN can fuck off and take this game with them.

I mean both are pretty fucking low outcomes here.

If they didn't give a shit - Likely they just want to get money any way they can
Support the views (albeit not outright) - Shitty all around. Want Gaming to continue to be filled with assholetry.

CheesecakeRecipe · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
Basically according to gaf, if you've ever said anything even remotely racist or misogynistic, you're a pile of shit

I wonder why that would be

the_darkness said:
What a nonsense thing to say.

Re-read your own posts and then read your response to me aloud.

Weltall Zero · Oct 20, 2017

[Quack Quack Slurp Slurp]

iunderstoodthatreference.gif

Scrooge McDuck · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
The game looks good.

His beliefs are not my own.

Because I buy the game does not mean I support his beliefs, regardless of what neogaf says, thinks, or believes. It means I like the game and support his work on the game.

Wait, this doesn't make any sense. The game propagates his beliefs. The game's story premise is his beliefs. He put his beliefs in his work on the game. If you liked the game, wouldn't that mean you're happy with those beliefs?

Bits N Pieces · Oct 20, 2017

More_Badass said:
Every time I get reminded of this game, it sucks. As a huge fan of modern pixel art and cyberpunk and cinematic platformer, this was clicking every box for me. Even posted about its GIFs and dev updates a ton on GAF. It was probably my most anticipated indie game after Rain World

So of course it turns out to be about an alt-rights nightmare of a dystopia built upon and based arond the devs fucked-up beliefs. A very story-driven, choice-heavy adventure based on all that, to the point that the creator wanted to put a Gamergate mascot in the game as a character.

Is that all still the premise of the game? I've read a few articles now and it seems to have changed but I can't see to what?

Orayn · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
Bullshit. Closing your eyes and ears to contrary opinions is not the way forward.

I don't support this game's supposed message. But I'm happy to explore it even if it means at the end of the game I sit back and say "well that was fucking dumb"

I personally feel that some opinions truly suck ass and don't deserve your time, money, or attention. Merely exposing yourself to garbage isn't an enlightened exercise in moderation and centrism that automatically makes you a wiser person.

At the very least, I would recommend consuming such media with an acknowledgement that you're doing so out of bile fascination, and do it in a way that gives the creator as little money as possible if materially rewarding them furthers their ability to go out and be a bad person.

kevin1025 · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
I do, but it's fiction. Fiction is not reality. Nor do I want it to be. I like to experience things in fiction.

But what if people creating that fiction believe in that fiction and are making it to push their agenda on you? And what if that agenda is misogynistic and Gamergate ridden?

BRocknRolla · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
At least have some semblance of perspective.

Animal cruelty, human exploitation and destroying our planet = A-OK.

Someone with shitty views about feminism = I hope his career is ruined and he rots in hell

Sweet jesus. That's one hell of a post.

Wamb0wneD · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
I do, but it's fiction. Fiction is not reality. Nor do I want it to be. I like to experience things in fiction.

You can't be serious...

More_Badass said:
Every time I get reminded of this game, it sucks. As a huge fan of modern pixel art and cyberpunk and cinematic platformer, this was clicking every box for me. Even posted about its GIFs and dev updates a ton on GAF. It was probably my most anticipated indie game after Rain World

So of course it turns out to be about an alt-right's nightmare of a ”dystopia" built upon and based arond the dev's fucked-up beliefs. A very story-driven, choice-heavy adventure based on all that, to the point that the creator wanted to put a Gamergate mascot in the game as a character.

Fuck that. Such a disappointing turn-of-events. You can't separate creator from creation when the creator's beliefs form the backbone and story of that creation.

"The game looks good though, such mob mentality, it's just fiction!"

Alucrid · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
I love gaf for the news, dev interaction, game impressions, etc. But the mob mentality on gaf is really tedious at times. I usually just avoid threads like this but the dog pile is crazy sometimes.

Basically according to gaf, if you've ever said anything even remotely racist or misogynistic, you're a pile of shit and deserve to die. I don't follow that belief system at all. And absolutely no one is completely innocent.

oh wow, where does neogaf say that?

Speely · Oct 20, 2017

More_Badass said:
Every time I get reminded of this game, it sucks. As a huge fan of modern pixel art and cyberpunk and cinematic platformer, this was clicking every box for me. Even posted about its GIFs and dev updates a ton on GAF. It was probably my most anticipated indie game after Rain World

So of course it turns out to be about an alt-rights nightmare of a dystopia built upon and based arond the devs fucked-up beliefs. A very story-driven, choice-heavy adventure based on all that, to the point that the creator wanted to put a Gamergate mascot in the game as a character.

Exactly where I am at, bud.

I remember your early coverage, and it was great. Goes to show you how far a concept can fall from grace when it's legit toxic and ugly.

wtd2009 · Oct 20, 2017

I was super into this after watching the trailer during e3. Damn it.

Weltall Zero · Oct 20, 2017

the_darkness said:
At least have some semblance of perspective.

Animal cruelty, human exploitation and destroying our planet = A-OK.

Someone with shitty views about feminism = I hope his career is ruined and he rots in hell

Thank you for your input and arguments, they're not trite or fallacious in any way.

Speely · Oct 20, 2017

Alucrid said:
oh wow, where does neogaf say that?

If you call a misogynist what they are, it's mob rule and violent intolerance.

Cerium · Oct 20, 2017

More_Badass said:
Every time I get reminded of this game, it sucks. As a huge fan of modern pixel art and cyberpunk and cinematic platformer, this was clicking every box for me. Even posted about its GIFs and dev updates a ton on GAF. It was probably my most anticipated indie game after Rain World

So of course it turns out to be about an alt-rights nightmare of a dystopia built upon and based arond the devs fucked-up beliefs. A very story-driven, choice-heavy adventure based on all that, to the point that the creator wanted to put a Gamergate mascot in the game as a character.

Fuck that. Such a disappointing turn-of-events. You cant separate creator from creation when the creators beliefs form the backbone and story of that creation.

Could we get an update to the OP so that people who only read the first post are informed?

Ashodin · Oct 20, 2017

MoogleMan said:
I do, but it's fiction. Fiction is not reality. Nor do I want it to be. I like to experience things in fiction.

Okay follow my logic here.

You want to experience fiction. ✓
Fiction is not reality. ✓
The game's creator is describing a (very negative, hateful) fiction that he believes will become reality someday due to his ideologies. ✓
You support the creator financially by purchasing his game. ✓
The creator goes on to create another game, piece of media, or grows more influential due to your monetary support to continue to spout his views. ✓

You have just now been party to spreading the word of his beliefs. This is how it works, yes? Indirectly you have supported his views.

Regardless of whatever happens with your purchase of the game, if even you tell some other people about how great it is (and how shitty the premise is as well trying to be truthful) that person might get the wrong idea and follow these beliefs, etc, etc.

Support NeoGAF

The Last Night: IGN Article [Quack Quack Slurp Slurp]

Member

Member

Member

Banned

Banned

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Banned

Banned

Banned

Banned

Member

Banned

Banned

Member

Stormy Grey

Member

Banned

Member

Banned

Banned

Member

Member

Banned

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Banned

Member

Member

Stormy Grey

Member

Member

Member

Member

Banned

Member

Member

Banned

Banned

Member

Member

Banned

Member

Member

Similar threads