TheCanisDirus
Member
Got a box of straws here for ya lol...
But seriously... i agree with you... and if the cause is FXAA etc.... could be easy to tweak/fix.
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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
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But seriously... i agree with you... and if the cause is FXAA etc.... could be easy to tweak/fix.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Is this after watching the IGN or DF comparison
Guys the discussion shouldn't be whether you like DF's TV settings or not it should be:
50% less pixels
NO AA (Regardless of whether you actually like FXAA or not it's computationally expensive and something PS4 has and XB doesn't)
Shadows missing.
Geometry Missing
ETC
ETC.
Computationally PS4 is pushing a massive amount that the XB is not, simple as that. All the leaks are true, the performance delta between the two machines is large and unequivocal.
50% less pixels
NO AA (Regardless of whether you actually like FXAA or not it's computationally expensive and something PS4 has and XB doesn't)
Shadows missing.
Geometry Missing
ETC
ETC.
Computationally PS4 is pushing a massive amount that the XB is not, simple as that. All the leaks are true, the performance delta between the two machines is large and unequivocal.
Most of the blurryness is probably from it being 900p.
plagiarize
Banned
I've said myself in this thread, that I really hope the reaction to this doesn't get developers to artificially sharpen their PS4 versions. IF you prefer how the Xbox One version looks, you can get that same kind of sharpness in a few seconds by moving a slider on your TV.
the softness almost certainly comes from software based AA, which is a thing that we see even in certain PC games. the higher resolution gives us geometric detail we cannot see in the Xbox One version at further distances, and partly why this discussion is blowing up is because it's our first look at the comparative power of the consoles.
yes, the PS4 version is softened more than I would like by the AA implementation, and yes, people are totally allowed to prefer the look of the artificial sharpening in the Xbox One version, but as proven in this thread we can make the PS4 version look 'better' to those people by just artificially sharpening it.
people roll their eyes at this level of technical discussion, but since I care a lot about multiplatform games, and I'm not about to spend $400 or $500 dollars on a notably weaker console, when I could buy the other instead. even if the end result *in this specific case* isn't to your personal liking, the PS4 version is doing a lot more, and running at a higher frame rate in doing so.
that's a simple fact. 50% more pixels. higher frame rate. more effects (currently). so which console should I buy? if BF4 is what I want more than anything else (and it isn't) I'd still rather play the version of the game that isn't artificially sharpened with the higher frame rate (higher framerate = more playable!).
and even if I did want to play an artificially sharpened version, the PS4 version would be the one to go for.
have you *seen* the multiplayer comparison from IGN?
Look at dat sky pop!So we basically have this going on:
XBone is clearly superior.
Always-honest
Banned
never mind.. i misread.
Maninthemirror
Banned
I wonder what kind of details were pushed if they brought ps4 version down to 720p for added effects and detail
So we basically have this going on:
XBone is clearly superior.
of course. man, look at the colours. they are damn fine on the xbone and so washed out on the blurstation 4.
Hugely overblown
Please read what I was directly responding to instead of lambasting me for trying to make a $1,300 computer seem like the frugal choice. My point was not to say that the PC is more powerful disregarding the price. The PS4 and Xbone are both clearly very capable for their price (and their manufacturers take large margin hits, as Sony has admitted). BF4 looks impressive on either machine considering that they're consoles.
But you can still spend nearly the same amount of money as you would on these consoles and get similar if not greater performance.
If you really want to split hairs, I get $150-200 worth of free games from buying the GPU, too, so we can all negate that cost off the total.
dragonbane
Member
The point is, you can easily get the same results by adjusting a setting on your TV. It's really that simple you know. Then the PS4 version will look similar to the XB1 version, just better.
Here it is in action: http://abload.de/img/i3uk6taw6tdxd8fonn.gif
IAmRandom31
Banned
All this talk of the PS4 needing a hardware upscaler is a moot point since 95% of the games will be 1080p anyway.
We just happened to get the one game in the launch lineup that isn't 1080p as our first comparison lol. How convenient that is.
Native 1080p PS4 games galore, so no need for scaling.
We just happened to get the one game in the launch lineup that isn't 1080p as our first comparison lol. How convenient that is.
Native 1080p PS4 games galore, so no need for scaling.
The difference is bigger than ANYTHING we've seen on last gen, how is that overblown? This is bad for MS.
Not quite since the PS4 version does have AA, but yes you can adjust it to make it similar to the X1 version.
Waow...
**this is meant as a joke**That is not a *real* comparison at all, both versions look fine and 99% identical. I thought, maybe, we could all crack a smile and laugh at ourselves alittle. The game in question is Operation Wolf i believe, kick ass game.
So we basically have this going on:
XBone is clearly superior.
Except if the PS4 had a perfect IQ why not, but it also have aliasing in those vids.. It just has less of it.
BigJoeGrizzly
Neo Member
Why are some people suggesting the PS4 has way better frame rate? Seemed like the Bone held up with the PS4 version most of the time, occasionally dipping 2-4 frames lower in more demanding scenes. That's not really enough to be noticeable during normal gameplay.
I know the PS4 version has about 50% more pixels, but did anyone have trouble seeing that pixel advantage? (Full disclosure: I own a 1080p laptop monitor, so I should be able to tell) I know YouTube's player can affect quality, but in the DF videos I had trouble picking up the differences as well (maybe Bone's hardware scaler is as good as advertised?)
I know the PS4 version has about 50% more pixels, but did anyone have trouble seeing that pixel advantage? (Full disclosure: I own a 1080p laptop monitor, so I should be able to tell) I know YouTube's player can affect quality, but in the DF videos I had trouble picking up the differences as well (maybe Bone's hardware scaler is as good as advertised?)
Both versions look good enough for me. I'm not going to sit with two consoles, two TVs and two games running at the same time to even notice the difference.
It almost feels to me that both versions are as if the game has been dropped on similar specced PC's, as in there hasn't been a huge amount of console specific optimisation - which is completely expected for any launch games.
It almost feels to me that both versions are as if the game has been dropped on similar specced PC's, as in there hasn't been a huge amount of console specific optimisation - which is completely expected for any launch games.
Domcorleone
Member
50% more pixels and higher framerate and AA are not things that are overblown..
Gemüsepizza
Member
This. 33 PS4 games this year, 32 of them run at 1080p - BF4 is the only game this year which runs at 900p. And I don't think this will change.
Its 2-4 lower on average with a difference of up to 12 FPS.
Holy shit hahaha what happened to Nate there? He looks strung out and messed up, binge drinking or something.
And its probably a better game than BF4, and i am only slightly exaggerating here =P
Anyway off topic, back to the serious stuff
So this is going to be DF's modus operandi this generation? Burying the lead of who's the performance and IQ quality winner behind a front-facing video capture that (no surprise, it is DF) mysteriously does to the Xbone image the same thing Best Buy does to its TVs to make them look more "vibrant" in a show room?
It's going to be a long generation for them if this is the (disingenuous) path they've decided to go down.
Let's even give them the benefit of the doubt and say this wasn't nefarious plotting on their part - why should I trust a site that claims to be the best place to get objective image quality and performance comparisons between platforms when they're not even competent enough to use capture equipment to properly capture comparable video feeds of what they're comparing?
It's going to be a long generation for them if this is the (disingenuous) path they've decided to go down.
Let's even give them the benefit of the doubt and say this wasn't nefarious plotting on their part - why should I trust a site that claims to be the best place to get objective image quality and performance comparisons between platforms when they're not even competent enough to use capture equipment to properly capture comparable video feeds of what they're comparing?
Crimson_Fate
Member
Drake's expression makes it.
eot
Banned
What the fuck
The Maverick
Member
So Dice didn't have occlusion in for the reviews. Or AA. Convinient for Microsoft. I wonder if the game is just coming in really hot or if there are ulterior motives at play.
My vivid imagination.
My vivid imagination.
Just watched the IGN video too:
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison
The XBONE version has a crisper image, again. PS4 has a blur filter going on.
I don't know if it's FXAA or the upscaler.
PS4 fan here, and but XBOne has a much nicer image. It's just cleaner. Less muddy/blurry. In every video I've watched, multiple sources.
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison
The XBONE version has a crisper image, again. PS4 has a blur filter going on.
I don't know if it's FXAA or the upscaler.
PS4 fan here, and but XBOne has a much nicer image. It's just cleaner. Less muddy/blurry. In every video I've watched, multiple sources.
IISANDERII
Member
Now I realize why Microsoft didn't want to call it the 720.
Waow...
**this is meant as a joke**That is not a *real* comparison at all, both versions look fine and 99% identical. I thought, maybe, we could all crack a smile and laugh at ourselves alittle. The game in question is Operation Wolf i believe, kick ass game.
Maninthemirror
Banned
The resolution advantage is seen on the big screen
Look at the graph from DF. The biggest FPS delta is about 15 FPS with PS4 at 50FPS and XBO at 35FPS.
plagiarize
Banned
Gemüsepizza;87947861 said:
I won't be surprised if some of those other games aren't running at 1080p, but I'll be surprised if it's any large number.
In a weird way, Xbox One being at 720p and 900p, might help ensure that we see the large majority of PS4 multiplats being 1080p. if the easiest way of exploiting the extra power is just upping the resolution... well... one can dream I suppose.
ConteZero76
Member
News for you : game consoles come with an installed operating system.
FairXchange
Member
You're can't really call the Xbox version cleaner if you've taken the time to look at the gifs in the op. It's actually quite jarring how different they look.
Compressed, low bit rate footage on browser videos is not going to help anyone in determining quality.
The One Who Knocks
Member
Wow, I wasn't expecting parity but this is a far larger gap than I had thought there would be. I have just become much more interested in seeing more multiplatform games' comparisons.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Just looking at the screens and video in the OP from DF. Xbone version (although has those FR drops) still looks much better than a Ps360 version. Much better. That is an acceptable level of next gen for launch, imho.
something fishy
Member
DF fucked up, watch the Jackfrags videos.
something fishy
Member
Not just you.
we're going to see a big role switch.
all the xb only peeps suddenly lose interest and all the ps only suddenly take an interest.
pc peeps once again just sit back and relax.
its awesome.
plagiarize
Banned
did you stop the comparison before it got to multiplayer? that's a serious question. look at the two minute mark on. especially the part indoors.
give me a break. They were fairly close to each other in jaggies. Don't over-exaggerate things, makes you look like a fool.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
What surprises me the most out of all this is the fact that DICE chose to squeeze out what they could from each platform rather then settling for resolution parity.
I was concerned that perhaps EA or DICE would cave under pressure (my imaginings here) from Microsoft to keep it as equal as possible. Instead, we have this ... and no matter how it's spun here or elsewhere, it's pretty damning stuff.
I was concerned that perhaps EA or DICE would cave under pressure (my imaginings here) from Microsoft to keep it as equal as possible. Instead, we have this ... and no matter how it's spun here or elsewhere, it's pretty damning stuff.
but, many people would rather that than the blurry image on the ps4 version. PS4 looks like it has film over it.
José Mourinho
cocknose
I'm genuinely finding it hard to see a great deal of difference between the two.
Always-honest
Banned
that's not true at all. it's a BIG ASS difference in jaggies. Especially when you will be playing it on a HD screen without the forgiving vid compression.
deputyspade
Member
You might want to read what Jack Frag and the videogamer site said. Jack said ps4's multiplayer looks better than xb1's single player campaign. Videogamer's review also was particularly harsh on the boner version of bf4.
http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/battlefield_4_which_is_better_xbox_one_or_ps4.html