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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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Raven77
Member
I buy my game consoles to, you know, PLAY GAMES ON. I could give two flying shists about services.
I have no doubt MS will be pulling out some gimmicky bull-roar to try and get all the soccer moms and elderly people excited to queue up come November...
Currently my T.V. has the following services:
YOUTUBE
NETFLIX
HULU
ALLSHARE
PANDORA
TWITTER
FACEBOOK
APP STORE
SKYPE
FITNESS APP (pretty amazing actually)
WEB BROWSER
KIDS STORY (free childrens video and entertainment app, also pretty awesome)
ESPN
ACCUWEATHER
VIMEO
So my big question is, WTF more can these new systems provide?
This is why I'm convinced it will all be gimmicky crap because they are basically going to have to INVENT new services, etc. to try and convince you it's worth buying.
Back in the day I would have trusted both SONY and MS to come up with some cool stuff. But obviously MS's focus has changed in the past couple years.
I have no doubt MS will be pulling out some gimmicky bull-roar to try and get all the soccer moms and elderly people excited to queue up come November...
Currently my T.V. has the following services:
YOUTUBE
NETFLIX
HULU
ALLSHARE
PANDORA
APP STORE
SKYPE
FITNESS APP (pretty amazing actually)
WEB BROWSER
KIDS STORY (free childrens video and entertainment app, also pretty awesome)
ESPN
ACCUWEATHER
VIMEO
So my big question is, WTF more can these new systems provide?
This is why I'm convinced it will all be gimmicky crap because they are basically going to have to INVENT new services, etc. to try and convince you it's worth buying.
Back in the day I would have trusted both SONY and MS to come up with some cool stuff. But obviously MS's focus has changed in the past couple years.
Yes.
Correct. But smoke and mirrors do and always will come to play with consoles. How's baked lighting sound?
Reiko said:
It's not computationally possible.
i-Lo said:
The MS tools are apparently much better, but that's always been the case (even throughout this generation).
If you paid attention to this generation, Japanese developers didn't really take time to learn the new systems, ie. their games were rarely coded for multiple cores, etc. With PS4 being the complete opposite in terms of architecture compared to the PS3, they should theoretically have an easier time next gen.
and who are you? is this just your speculation?
legitimate sources, the same ones that leaked this stuff, have said it will. unless you have better credentials then them, shut up.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Such practices are illegal, they would never get together for coffee and discussing their ogilopolistic tactics. That said, there was probably a bit of nudging from devs and unspoken understanding going on. As for Nintendo, they boxed themselves out of the game. It's not MS or Sonys problem if Nintendo wants to make hardware a generation behind the curve
a barely scientific GPU comparison chart using passmark/TFLOPs/equivalent on current AMD architecture:
Comparisons to PC are meaningless. You can do far more in a close box environement than on an open platform.
I'm a little bit disappointed but the visual jump will be there and I suspect will be quite spectacular.
Aegies even admitted he wasn't getting the whole picture.
???
Can Crusher
Banned
a barely scientific GPU comparison chart using passmark/TFLOPs/equivalent on current AMD architecture:
bear in mind that in gaming, it's not so clear cut. a 7850 can go toe to toe with a 570 and a 7950 can punch above a 660ti.
But Durango isn't based on 77xx....
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
You need a console, handheld or a PC to play games you do know that right?
True, but what's to prevent them from excelling on XB3 given that its architecture closely follows the PC? And this time, they're both multi core once again.
Yes.
Correct. But smoke and mirrors do and always will come to play with consoles. How's baked lighting sound?
Did you not see UE4? These systems will be able to handle GI. All of these engines aren't being made to do things that they won't be able to implement on the nextgen systems. Why waste all that money on something you won't be able to use? Whatever tech demos we have seen so far are an indicator as to what the next systems will do.
Well he heard 720 had an edge a year ago, so yeah, but then the stuff from karak and proelite was just last week, and we have heard about the rumors of GDDR5 from may of last year.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
I thought he said he hadn't heard much about the PS4, what do these specs change about what devs said to him about Durango?
shinobi602
Member
But that's not the norm. I don't think the majority of people out there have smart TVs and all the services like you do.
Putting all this in a single box that also plays the next wave of games, with a much more advanced Kinect could go a long way for entertainment connoisseurs...
Is it bullshit?
Gemüsepizza;46703821 said:
It won't work that way because not everyone will buy both consoles. And people won't go out and buy a game just because it works better for his console than the other. However if it works noticeably worse (see Bayonetta, Skyrim etc.) many will just say fuck it and not buy the game at all.
That's assuming one console will be PS2 style domination. It won't happen ever again.
Framerate would go up yes but I don't think most gamers will even notice if it's 30 solid or 40 solid. I was talking about more major, noticeable difference. Basically like medium settings vs ultra high or something like that to put it simply.
And yes, devs rushed many PS3 games but that's not doing it on purpose. They didn't have a choice. PS3 was a bitch to code for many developers, it required more time. Next gen the dev time will probably be very similar for both consoles.
Horse Armour
Member
I'm sure it's based on the 8000 series GCN with some additional features from upcoming AMD GPUs.
a barely scientific GPU comparison chart using passmark/TFLOPs/equivalent on current AMD architecture:
bear in mind that in gaming, it's not so clear cut. a 7850 can go toe to toe with a 570 and a 7950 can punch above a 660ti.
Hmm. As long as there is a significant visual jump from current gen it is enough for me. I just want it to run 1313 and Watch dogs comfortably with the exact visual quality that was shown in the trailers and I want it at launch. Those visuals are more than enough for me.
No one knows this. How can you say that with such certainty? All we know is that it runs on PC with whatever crazy ass specs they were using. Sure there will be optimization, but still.
Kagari you're basically describing something like Team Ninja when they moved their development from PS2 to Xbox.
These are baseline next gen games.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
These new systems will provide the same services (and more) with better/seamless integration with quicker response than your TV.
assumptions based on previous info on Orbis, perhaps before the ram was bumped? Or due to lack of visibility from developers until recently compared to Durango?
I find it surprising both from the tech spec rumours, but also how people were so strongly pushing that they would be close even though they were also saying people had less view of Orbis
After seeing the specs, the WiiU owners:
LoL XD hahah
I do own a Wii U, but mainly for Nintendo's awesome first party games!
As for next-gen, I decided, I'm going with PS4, I want a "Gaming" console not a "Media" box!
Can Crusher
Banned
Rumors keeping point the same way man. I was expecting more from MS, they better have some amazing shit going on in terms of games and features, or the core gamers will jump ship quick.
Do you think MS is going to court Japan again? I don't.
This doesn't sound good. So do you think it will feel like a full generation leap?
They better close that box down tightly because that seems like a big difference.
GCN @ 800mhz w/12CU, so slightly better than 7770 (by 2 CUs) but downclocked by 50mhz. Also running on DDR3 (whereas those benches have GDDR5, much faster), however with a 32mb ESRam buffer. So take that as you will.
Well... UE4, unfortunately... How much do you like baked lighting?
cyberheater
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a barely scientific GPU comparison chart using passmark/TFLOPs/equivalent on current AMD architecture:
bear in mind that in gaming, it's not so clear cut. a 7850 can go toe to toe with a 570 and a 7950 can punch above a 660ti.
Is the PS4 GPU really twice as powerful as the Xbox 720? Really?
It's based on 87XX iirc. However the TF count is nearly identical to 7770. This means that the 8750 now has the same TF count as its higher end predecessor or it's the downlclocked and modified 8770.
Horse Armour
Member
Remember last gen, Epic managed to convince MS to change their system so it could properly support UE3 as they were showing it off, they may not have been successful this time around (wasn't the PS3 also meant to have 256mb of RAM that was changed after the 360 had 512mb?).
I guess the custom CPU-GPU, the unified RAM, the ESRAM maybe
GCN @ 800mhz w/12CU, so slightly better than 7770 (by 2 CUs) but downclocked by 50mhz. Also running on DDR3 (whereas those benches have GDDR5, much faster), however with a 32mb ESRam buffer. So take that as you will.
Well... UE4, unfortunately... How much do you like baked lighting?
But the design of each element could be radically different, which would make any comparisson meaningless
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Should be able to, yes. Ultra? Maybe not. High is possible. Ultra would be 720p/60fps.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Do you think Japan matters as much as it did in 2005?
BloodMoney
Banned
I'm not talking about x86-64 nomenclature... the original post on this matter indicated that x86 = x64. Which it does not. YES, x86-64 is 64bit, but just x86 is 32 bit.
shinobi602
Member
People use GIFs to respond to funny ass posts.
I know. What is that PS3 fat doing there?
I really can't buy this, something is not right. where is Aegis?
If a picture is worth a thousand words, imagine how much an animated picture is worth!
1000 x the # of frames
I think Orbis got a spec boots sometime last year and the comments we keep hearing about Durago being better or that they are on par come from that time.
Also I presume that Orbis has mostly been shown to the first parties and a select number of third parties that are making launch games.
Jump ship to where exactly? PC?
Can Crusher
Banned
Pretty sure it will be GCN2.
Why does this question exist? Is Xbox the only gaming device available?
I...Can't argue with that. I loved the 360 back in 2005 but this...I'm disappointed.
I just hope Epic's next big IP delivers.
Depends on your perspective I suppose. Maybe not as much as it was in 2005, but it's still important.
It will be enough. Im just hoping that both consoles will have enough power for processing advanced particle dynamics.