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Kotaku Sources: Destiny 2 coming to PC [UPDATE: Loads of extra info]

EL CUCO

EL CUCO

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shinobi602 said:
Yea, it's coming to PC. From what I'm told the decision to restructure was made thanks to a major memory ceiling being reached on last gen with regard to the Rise of Iron expansion, which was set to launch in the spring, not fall. Bungie decided to push out D2 since it was behind and needed much more iteration, and took advantage of the Rise of Iron delays to use that as the content stop gap for the fall of this year.

Destiny 2 is being overhauled so that they can build upon it in the future without having to work within the frame work limitations that D1 setup. Right now, the way things play out, we have to introduce playspaces so that players can engage in systems or activities, but it creates a huge barrier that must be overcome on both the networking & design side so, they're going to do more open playspaces that incorporate towns, outposts, etc into more common areas. This means fewer hardlines for areas and having them be gated by menus. Goal is to have players conducting things & making activity decisions while still in control of their character, instead of having to exit out into an activity hub. Think of how in WoW, you hit a button and queue into activities you want to do all while still playing your character.

Major narrative changes are on board for D2. Both in terms of plot direction, pacing & structure. Major focus is going to be on the Cabal & Saturn. Saturn is a playspace is set to be bigger than all of the playspaces currently implemented in the game combined. This is in large part of the scale of playspaces being redesigned, so it'll be both bigger & denser with activities. There's a reason Guardians take the fight to Saturn.

Major changes to the engine are occurring. Their render tech has gone through some major iteration thanks in large part to getting to approach it without having last-gen as a limit. Because of this, they are still undecided what, if any, of Destiny's old content, both in terms of playspace, areas, Strikes & raids, will be available through D2. There is talk in possibly allowing D1 remain as its own client, which flies against how Destiny currently operates, where as the new content renders the old client & content obsolete.

Live team has been going through some iteration so that they may continue to support Destiny with content after a major content drop, but they are stuck between a rock & a hard place. The live team is trying to support a game running on an old engine with its older tools, whereas the bulk of development is on the engine framework & enjoying new tools. Because of this, the Live team is largely handcuffed, so don't really expect a whole lot of post-launch content for D1 in the next year.

However, starting with the launch of D2, we will see far more substantial content dropping in the time between yearly releases, as the game & engine & live team have all been planned to support that going forward. Team is aware that they need more substantial content throughout the year, not just at the end of it.

If they do drop D1 content, it likely won't be permanent - they might reintroduce areas in a more 'D2' fleshed out way. So we might lose temporary access to these places, then regain it or have to fight back for control of it at a later point in the plot. This means we'll get to see older areas or activities through the perspective of the newer content, which also means the older areas might expand considerably by the time we get back to them, since the design goal for playspaces is to now make them both way bigger & way denser with activities.

Edit: New races & factions are planned. No idea on whats happening with regards to classes however. New enemies within factions are also going to be introduced. Take the Sions for the Cabal for example - they are going to get fleshed out in D2.
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This all sounds great! But how about the elephant in the room, 60fps on console? 🙏
 
GlamFM

GlamFM

Banned
Kalentan said:
So we should give them a lazy way out? Good to know we have them held up to high standards.
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I don't want them to consider D1 AT ALL when making D2.

No restrictions - just an awesome game that incorporates everything they've learned.
 
Revolutionary

Revolutionary

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PeakPointMatrix said:
and what exactly do people mean when they want their "characters to carry over"?

Do you mean your super powered weapons and equipment from 1 to 2? If so, wouldn't that wildly imbalance the game, and destroy it for newcomers? As well as cripple the single player portion?

Do you just mean shaders and looks for your character profiles? That seems easier and more reasonable.

Otherwise, if they rebalance and revamp the gear and weapons system for the better, then obviously they would need to drop the old shit for the future.
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The Destiny -> TTK transition handled it perfectly well. Old gear is useless for new content but still viable in old content/Crucible. Not sure why that's suddenly a game-breaking tall order - they've done it before.

I have to admit I'm pretty surprised at the amount of people willing to throw away their time investment on their characters simply for the pie-in-the-sky dream of "the game will be better for it!"
 
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Kalentan

Member
GlamFM said:
I don't want them to consider D1 AT ALL when making D2.

No restrictions - just an awesome game that incorporates everything they've learned.
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FFXIV ARR had an entire alternate intro to the game for people who played 1.0. Which was only saw by like 10k players.

You're telling me that Bungie can't do the same when they have triple the amount of people working on Desiny 2?
 
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BreezyLimbo

Banned
Blam said:
Yeah seriously a fucking emblem for all that ive done in Destiny is not a good compensation.
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They should add titles.

And retire shaders related to Y1 content.

Heck, that's how WoW players live. Having cosmetic shit and titles carry forward, despite everything they did.
 
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Latvian Hitman

Member
GlamFM said:
You mean your character you picked out of 4 faces and 3 different hairstyles?

I have no connection to my character.

Can't wait for a fresh start!
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Yep. How anyone could be connected to their character in Destiny is beyond me. They're devoid of any personality or identifying traits. It's literally one of three classes that largely play the same, picked from a few faces and a skill tree that takes like two days to complete.

If Destiny 2 improves upon all this by letting me actually personalize my character and make him unique and interesting beyond what gear he has on at the moment, then I'm all for them scrapping the cookie cutter approach from the original game.
 
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GhaleonEB

Member
I do hope there's some continuity RE: guardians with the new game, but being able to cast off the engine and design limitations from D1 and rebuild a baseline that is more expandable will get them back on track for the 10-year vision for the game.

Very excited to see what they do now that last gen is no longer a limitation, it was clearly holding the world design, and thus encounter scale, back.

I'll be sad if we lose all the current locations though. I loved the idea of Destiny building its locations outward from Earth, to more locations in the solar system, and beyond. Losing three years worth of foundation locations would be a bummer, but I can see how that would be too difficult to sustain.
 
Compsiox

Compsiox

Banned
Sounds like they'll be making a proper MMO. I'll keep expectations in check but I'm excited to see how they're changing the game for the better.
 
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GifGafIsTheBestGaf

Member
they will probably give you the Twilight: Breaking Dawn P2 intro and tell you that your past journey was just a dream, time to truly start your epic journey as a guardian
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
shinobi602 said:
Sure thing. All of the races, including the Awoken, still have much room for expansion. The Fallen were originally another race that the traveller actually guided before it reached humans; The Vex were also a completely different race before they machinized themselves into a Borg like race. They're also going to be introducing enemy factions that have motivation & goals. Right now enemies seem like creatures - D2 should hopefully make them more sentient with goals.

I'm told the new raid was causing an out of memory crash that just had no work around - the content NEEDED more RAM in order for it to exist.
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Hmm, now I have to decide between playing as an Awoken or a Fallen...
 
Blam

Blam

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BreezyLimbo said:
They should add titles.

And retire shaders related to Y1 content.

Heck, that's how WoW players live. Having cosmetic shit and titles carry forward, despite everything they did.
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I am good with cosmetic shit carrying over but what about ornaments. I really hope those guns that have been given ornaments we going to be carried over.
 
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Killer Queen

Banned
shinobi602 said:
Sure thing. All of the races, including the Awoken, still have much room for expansion. The Fallen were originally another race that the traveller actually guided before it reached humans; The Vex were also a completely different race before they machinized themselves into a Borg like race. They're also going to be introducing enemy factions that have motivation & goals. Right now enemies seem like creatures - D2 should hopefully make them more sentient with goals.

I'm told the new raid was causing an out of memory crash that just had no work around - the content NEEDED more RAM in order for it to exist.
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So with the story I remember that they wanted it to be like the next star wars and something massive but in Destiny 1 I feel like there's a lot of stuff thrown out there that amounts to nothing, it's a bunch of figures with cool titles that don't really amount to anything other than sounding cool. Do you feel like that's changed and the story or at least the developers are making an attempt to make the world more coherent and actually alive?

I think giving the factions motivations, personality and history adds a lot to that and those particular story beats I think are great and add a lot to the world but do you yourself feel like they're closer to accomplishing that Star Wars like universe with Destiny 2?

Also, I assume the Destiny series is staying in solar system? And has there been any talk of space flight gameplay? I feel like ships are a wasted opportunity for that considering how good the system they created in Halo Reach was and the series would be a good fit for it combined with the idea of travelling between planets and owning your own ship
 
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SaganIsGOAT

Junior Member
I have no qualms about losing my characters. I could literally lose everything from Destiny 1 and still enjoy Destiny 2 because to me it's the gameplay that always keeps me coming back. All of these details sound incredible. Hype is through the roof right now. Destiny 2 on Scorpio is going to be HAWT
 
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Thoraxes

Member
They honestly had me at PC.

Every thing else is just the cherry on top. I'm so done with paying for console online multiplayer garbage.
 
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Conkerkid11

Member
GhaleonEB said:
I do hope there's some continuity RE: guardians with the new game, but being able to cast off the engine and design limitations from D1 and rebuild a baseline that is more expandable will get them back on track for the 10-year vision for the game.

Very excited to see what they do now that last gen is no longer a limitation, it was clearly holding the world design, and thus encounter scale, back.

I'll be sad if we lose all the current locations though. I loved the idea of Destiny building its locations outward from Earth, to more locations in the solar system, and beyond. Losing three years worth of foundation locations would be a bummer, but I can see how that would be too difficult to sustain.
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And at the very least, now that they're on this generation, they should be capable of actually treating Destiny 2 like an MMO, and not releasing a sequel a couple years down the road.

Destiny seems perfectly sustainable through expansion releases. No need to wipe everybody's progress and forget all the content from the previous game even happened once every sequel.
 
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Unknown Soldier

Member
The shooting was the good part of Destiny. Carry that over and revamp everything else and we might have the game that Bungie originally promised many years ago.
 
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psyfi

Banned
Okay, that Shinobi megapost sounds pretty dope. I hope it's true. It's going to take change of that magnitude to bring me back.
 
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Deadstar

Member
As long as they add more fantasy in the game like giant frogs, I will be happy.

Devs, please throw out everything in D1. I already did it, let's start again new.
 
GlamFM

GlamFM

Banned
Colonel Nasty said:
Nothing carrying over means I'll pass on Rise of Iron
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Don't get this.

My stuff didn't carry over from Oblivion to Skyrim or from the Witcher 2 to 3.

I have to acquire a morphball in every metroid.

Every game ends eventually, why should destiny be different?
 
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FinKL

Member
Kalentan said:
So we should give them a lazy way out? Good to know we have them held up to high standards.

Hell, FFXIV ARR had a "Legacy" Intro Cutscene rather than the traditional one if you played 1.0.
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I get chills watching that cutscene from the perspective of the final server shutdown notice. Very emotionally seeing the world come to a complete end, everything faltering around and there's nothing you can do.

I hope we do start fresh though, and would gladly jump in on PC. When they do release on PC, PLEASE for the love of the nine, work on anti hack/cheat. Look at Division on PC. The worst feeling ever knowing you are wasting time on doing stuff when other people can flip a switch and have everything done for them.
 
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Danis Saur

Member
Make it a true full-fledged open world/mmo type FPS.

Either way, I'll be there day-one, enjoyed the gameplay and visuals of this game very much.
 
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Kalentan

Member
GlamFM said:
Don't get this.

My stuff didn't carry over from Oblivion to Skyrim or from the Witcher 2 to 3.

I have to acquire a morphball in every metroid.

Every game ends eventually, why should destiny be different?
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Cause Bungie literally told us that we would be using the same character over a ten year period. Betheseda didn't say: "Oh yeah, you totes will transfer everything from Oblivion to Skyrim."

Like I don't understand why your so against stuff transferring. Unless you don't want to feel like you missed out.
 
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BreezyLimbo

Banned
GhaleonEB said:
I do hope there's some continuity RE: guardians with the new game, but being able to cast off the engine and design limitations from D1 and rebuild a baseline that is more expandable will get them back on track for the 10-year vision for the game.

Very excited to see what they do now that last gen is no longer a limitation, it was clearly holding the world design, and thus encounter scale, back.

I'll be sad if we lose all the current locations though. I loved the idea of Destiny building its locations outward from Earth, to more locations in the solar system, and beyond. Losing three years worth of foundation locations would be a bummer, but I can see how that would be too difficult to sustain.
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I would love if they created a system to iterate on content quickly. And if they put more into making quests on this new playground, that doesn't require you to load into the tower inbetween that and other quests. Make it WoW-esque, where there's various storylines, and you do a variety of things for each quest line that makes the player want to search out for them. Like...the reason I haven't jumped back into RoI, is because I'm still having fun doing the quests in WoW, and it feels fulfilling in a way that Destinys questing didn't.

And if Shinobis talk of old areas being locked away but later being unlocked with 'Having to fight for them back'...I think it could work. That could be the content pipeline for Destiny 2 until major expansions. IE every few months, unlock an area(IE cosmodrone) that's upgraded and denser, and have an introductory quest where you wage war on a faction that's holding it hostage. Then after that, you have a set number of quests related to it, and opening the old strikes(But updated). If their new engine allows for easy iteration, then I can see this being a possibility.

Blam said:
I am good with cosmetic shit carrying over but what about ornaments. I really hope those guns that have been given ornaments we going to be carried over.
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If they do carry over, I want them to take out the infusing thing. Just have flat levels of light levels/weapon powers. I still hear people talking about a Hung Jury they got a year ago and how they still use that and it's like..that just kills any creativity in making new weapons.

For exotics though, keep the ornaments but have it so you need to unlock it again at the higher light level instead of infusing. It's such a cop out mechanic.

Kalentan said:
Cause Bungie literally told us that we would be using the same character over a ten year period. Betheseda didn't say: "Oh yeah, you totes will transfer everything from Oblivion to Skyrim."
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Bungie also had different plans way back when. It's obvious that plans regarding the '10 year plan' have changed, and it'd be fine if that included characters.
 
GlamFM

GlamFM

Banned
Kalentan said:
Cause Bungie literally told us that we would be using the same character over a ten year period. Betheseda didn't say: "Oh yeah, you totes will transfer everything from Oblivion to Skyrim."
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What are we talking now? Character or gear?

I want a fresh start because it's exciting. Just did 3 quests in ROI to get 3 exotic guns I already had.

It's laughable.

I don't want to see this stuff anymore. I want a fresh start.
 
SlimySnake

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
GlamFM said:
Don't get this.

My stuff didn't carry over from Oblivion to Skyrim or from the Witcher 2 to 3.

I have to acquire a morphball in every metroid.

Every game ends eventually, why should destiny be different?
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Exactly. People are so entitled lol.

You all wasted thousands of hours into a video game and finally came to the realization it was all for nothing. Good. Most of us have known this since we started playing video games 30 years ago. Join the club.
 
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Admiral Woofington

Member
What better way to restart than to play it on pc on 60 fps ultra. Looking forward to it. I don't really care if my character carries over seeing how I stopped playing on vanilla
 
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Conkerkid11

Member
GlamFM said:
Don't get this.

My stuff didn't carry over from Oblivion to Skyrim or from the Witcher 2 to 3.

I have to acquire a morphball in every metroid.

Every game ends eventually, why should destiny be different?
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Because Destiny is an online-only MMO-lite.

It's kind of expected in the territory they're in.

Plus, Bungie's always been about rewarding players of their previous games throughout the Halo series, or at least with the later games.
 
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Kalentan

Member
Salty Rice said:
Well its a new game you dont need any "compensation".

The entitlement of many to get something is hilarious.
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Entitlement? I'd argue the people so adamant about no transfers are those entitled. Those of us asking for characters transfers are only doing so because Bungie told us our characters would be with us for the ten-year Destiny plan.

GlamFM said:
What are we talking now? Character or gear?
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"The idea is that the Guardian you have created is something you can bring along with you on that adventure. If you take a look at the way people have played other games for a long period of time, they've had a relationship with the same character for a very long time."
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/07/bungie-wants-player-progress-to-carry-over-to-destiny-sequel
 
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Syril

Member
I really hope they have crossplay, at least for the PvE. I've wanted a PC version like crazy, but everyone I know only wants to play it on the PS4.
 
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shinobi602

Member
Ascenion said:
By Saturn I'm inclined to believe you mean a few if not all of its moons? Because Saturn is a gas giant so actually being on the planet isn't possible and any explanation for being able to be on a terrformed gas giant would be pushing what my suspension of disbelief would be willing to tolerate.
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Yes. A few of Saturn's moons.

Killer Queen said:
So with the story I remember that they wanted it to be like the next star wars and something massive but in Destiny 1 I feel like there's a lot of stuff thrown out there that amounts to nothing, it's a bunch of figures with cool titles that don't really amount to anything other than sounding cool. Do you feel like that's changed and the story or at least the developers are making an attempt to make the world more coherent and actually alive?

I think giving the factions motivations, personality and history adds a lot to that and those particular story beats I think are great and add a lot to the world but do you yourself feel like they're closer to accomplishing that Star Wars like universe with Destiny 2?

Also, I assume the Destiny series is staying in solar system? And has there been any talk of space flight gameplay? I feel like ships are a wasted opportunity for that considering how good the system they created in Halo Reach was and the series would be a good fit for it combined with the idea of travelling between planets and owning your own ship
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There's been talk of space flight gameplay, but that would be at a future point, like a Destiny 3 or 4. It's definitely been talked about. Turning the ship into an extension of the guardian. Right now it just serves a cosmetic purpose - they are definitely exploring ways to expand on that.
 
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nOoblet16

Member
I would love to play it on PC simply because of 60FPS, but honestly I simply cannot give up on the community. DGAF community is mostly PS4 and I doubt that will change with Destiny 2....even if there are people who'd be interested in PC version due to the framerate advantage.

Latvian Hitman said:
Yep. How anyone could be connected to their character in Destiny is beyond me. They're devoid of any personality or identifying traits. It's literally one of three classes that largely play the same, picked from a few faces and a skill tree that takes like two days to complete.

If Destiny 2 improves upon all this by letting me actually personalize my character and make him unique and interesting beyond what gear he has on at the moment, then I'm all for them scrapping the cookie cutter approach from the original game.
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You almost never see your character, you do however see their armour...and there is enough variation between armour, weapons, emotes and shaders to personalise your character.

If you don't see how you can feel connected to that then I don't k ow what to say.
 
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Conkerkid11

Member
nOoblet16 said:
I would love to play it on PC simply because of 60FPS, but honestly I simply cannot give up on the community. DGAF community is mostly PS4 and I doubt that will change with Destiny 2....even if there are people who'd be interested in PC version due to the framerate advantage.


You almost never see your character, you do however see their armour...and there is enough variation between armour, weapons, emotes and shaders to personalise your character.

If you don't see how you can feel connected to that then I don't k ow what to say.
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Destiny 2 on PC would open up not only an entire DGAF community for those who were only playing on console because it wasn't available on PC, but those who don't play console at all.

I think our PC communities are decently sized.
 
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