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Media Create Sales 4/7 - 4/13
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It's a matter of exposure. On PS2, you were competing next to TONS of quality software that was better pushed from a marketing standpoint. On PSP, less marketing is required, simply by virtue of the system having fewer peices of quality software. The first Portable title was a slow burn to 1 million, the second one built off its word-of-mouth (as did the console version it was derived from, for those so quick to discount it), and by this point, the franchise is THE reason to own a PSP.kpop100 said:
Quality games are quality games, PSP just gave Capcom enough breathing room to make this franchise a hit in its own right because, simply put, almost nothing could compete with the game's quality and wasn't fighting to be a great game seen and heard among the vast hordes of great games that Capcom was competing for exposure with on PS2.
So it was just all about "right place, right time"... like most major franchise booms.
See: Pokemon Collectible Trading Card Gamemutsu said:
Buying incessent booster packs for their children wasn't much different... you don't seem to know much about the horrors of "give the kid what he wants" parenting.
monkeylite
Member
Wow wow wow. One of these days I better motivate myself to start the game.
Superman00
Liverpool01
mutsu said:
Uh, it doesn't need kids to be huge, pokemon is perfect for a MMORPG. Hell I'm 20 and I would play a pokemon MMORPG, and so would other young adults. I have friends that doesn't even play the pokemon games for handheld but he would play a pokemon MMORPG. WOW has proven that when done right, it would be huge. Also you underestimated the parents willingness to pay for the craps that the child wants.
Rocksteady33 said:
The titles sitting between #25-#35 usually sell around 6-8k while the titles around #50 usually sell between 3-5k. Also, Famitsu and m-create are two different trackers, so while Turok is #29 on the m-create chart, it could very well be way lower on the Famitsu chart.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
Holy shit at MK, wasn't expecting such a great debut. Well done
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
bycha said:
not likely. Handheld market is different from home console's
MK DS at 15 whereas 10 in Famitsu? Great show for Monster Hunter and Mario Kart Wii.
It'll most likely be free to play online (with other means for paying for stuff)
Pokemon is the single biggest system seller in the industry. It probably beats even Mario as a whole.
In my opinion, if done right it could be enormous. It would also attract a lot more people than the "normal fanbase" that buys the latest handheld main games. But I think they would need to have a bigger installed base (also shortages would hurt short term sales) and/or a far lower pricepoint for the console than it is now. There are downsides, development would also be enormous and could possible hurt handheld entries since the console version would be far superior, sequals would be far in between).
It wouldn't "only" be a MMORPG.
It'll most likely be free to play online (with other means for paying for stuff)
Pokemon is the single biggest system seller in the industry. It probably beats even Mario as a whole.
In my opinion, if done right it could be enormous. It would also attract a lot more people than the "normal fanbase" that buys the latest handheld main games. But I think they would need to have a bigger installed base (also shortages would hurt short term sales) and/or a far lower pricepoint for the console than it is now. There are downsides, development would also be enormous and could possible hurt handheld entries since the console version would be far superior, sequals would be far in between).
Haha ok... the argument is getting ridiculous. This is why I haven't been posting in sales threads now for a while.
Anyway, for those who thinks that Monster Hunter 3 will outsell any Monster Hunter PSP entries in Japan, think again. I will bet permanban that it will not happen.
Anyway, that's it from me for this week in this thread.
Anyway, for those who thinks that Monster Hunter 3 will outsell any Monster Hunter PSP entries in Japan, think again. I will bet permanban that it will not happen.
Anyway, that's it from me for this week in this thread.
Attributing Monster Hunter's success to it's platform sort of misses the point. I mean we're talking PSP here, the machine where games can expect to sell about half to a third what they would on PS2... MHP's a massive success despite it's platform, not due to it.
It also sort of ignores the series timeline to so easily write off the PS2 releases. Truth is, MH2 and MHP released within two months of each other and sold about 100k different. Looking at releases you can chart an overall series momentum more than some sort of immediate handheld increase. And we haven't even seen a console MH since then (over 2 years ago), there's really no telling how well a console MH3 might do today.
I do look forward to the epic MH3 vs FFXIII battle in 2009 though.
It also sort of ignores the series timeline to so easily write off the PS2 releases. Truth is, MH2 and MHP released within two months of each other and sold about 100k different. Looking at releases you can chart an overall series momentum more than some sort of immediate handheld increase. And we haven't even seen a console MH since then (over 2 years ago), there's really no telling how well a console MH3 might do today.
I do look forward to the epic MH3 vs FFXIII battle in 2009 though.
RR really only sold due to launch rush, the sequel tanked harder than RR6 on 360 even. This went for a lot of PSP launch title sequels actually (Musou Portable, MG AC!D, Puyo 15th, etc).Mefisutoferesu said:
Epiphyte said:
I don't think that Capcom was unaware of how well the MHP games sell when they announced Monster Hunter 3 moving to the Wii. That was after MHP2 was released no? It makes no sense that they would give away the rights to make guarenteed 1M+ selling games on the PSP for not-so-guarenteed sales on the Wii.
Likely, Capcom wasn't even money-hatted. They just realized that 1) PS3 is expensive to develop for, 2) PS3 (and 360) games sell like shit in Japan compared to previous sony console games, and 3) Monster Hunter has sold like shit outside Japan where PS3/360 games actually find decent success. Looking at these three factors, it just makes sense to shift the game to the Wii, which is cheaper to develop for and has twice the userbase of both other consoles combined in Japan.
frankie_baby
Member
big boxes in shops draw people in, thats why they do large mock up boxes for display
RumblingRosco
Member
mio said:
EARTHBOUND.
Brofist
Member
Terrell said:
I knew you'd pull out the right place at the right time argument
I don't buy it though. It really does to me seem like a portable gaming phenomena. My feeling is it won't be as popular on Wii, but it probably will clear a mil.
Hell it's just anecdotal, but I haven't ever seen a game with groups of people randomly playing together in public. I was at Wendys today and a group of middle age salarymen were playing MH with each other. Now that's saying something.
RpgN
Junior Member
kpop100 said:I knew you'd pull out the right place at the right time argument
I don't buy it though. It really does to me seem like a portable gaming phenomena. My feeling is it won't be as popular on Wii, but it probably will clear a mil.
Hell it's just anecdotal, but I haven't ever seen a game with groups of people randomly playing together in public. I was at Wendys today and a group of middle age salarymen were playing MH with each other. Now that's saying something.
But you know, he does have a point. While I love psp games, they can't be compared with ps2 games and there are too few AAA games. MH games were easy to get noticed on the psp, plus the fact its gameplay is perfect for a portable handheld. Even if MH3 where to be released on ps2, it has to compete with many quality games. On the wii I'm not sure...the name is huge now and there aren't many great third party games, but I'm not sure if wii players will embrace it. Perhaps an online mode might help.
JoshuaJSlone
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There are enough Final Fantasy games that I'm sure it will be near one of them.bycha said:
Just want to toss in an "I agree." We look at Monster Hunter 2's sales as tiny compared to what recent releases have done, but when it hit 500K it was within 14K of being the highest-selling Monster Hunter yet. Monster Hunter Freedom seems to have ramped off of Monster Hunter 2.jarrod said:
Man. Capcom must be the most stupid company in the world if they just move MH3 to Wii and not release PSP version at all :lol
I mean, how could you guys even think that Capcom move the series to Wii as exclusive thing? The sale on handheld version prove itself. Actually the main reason why they move MH3 from PS3 to Wii are because of the bigger userbases and the easiness when you port the game to handheld version. Just like PS2 to PSP. The nearly same amount of polygon, texture, etc. Capcom might even have the emulator for porting stuff already.
The main asset from MH2 PS2 -> MHP2 -> MHP2G. How much money do they make only from the 2nd game in the series? With very small budget compare to the sale. Wow!
I mean, how could you guys even think that Capcom move the series to Wii as exclusive thing? The sale on handheld version prove itself. Actually the main reason why they move MH3 from PS3 to Wii are because of the bigger userbases and the easiness when you port the game to handheld version. Just like PS2 to PSP. The nearly same amount of polygon, texture, etc. Capcom might even have the emulator for porting stuff already.
The main asset from MH2 PS2 -> MHP2 -> MHP2G. How much money do they make only from the 2nd game in the series? With very small budget compare to the sale. Wow!
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Things looking good for PS3 once again.
Enterbrain mentioned that retailers have ordered less than 100k copies of Senjou no Valkyrie. Adding this to the fact that there are no PS3 releases in 4 out of 5 of the following weeks, PS3 is on track to beat last year record numbers.
Enterbrain mentioned that retailers have ordered less than 100k copies of Senjou no Valkyrie. Adding this to the fact that there are no PS3 releases in 4 out of 5 of the following weeks, PS3 is on track to beat last year record numbers.
gconsole said:
Is anyone suggesting there will never be another handheld version? The console version is Wii exclusive. A game has been announced for the PSP but who knows what will happen in the future if the Wii version does well at all (meaning they may switch to the DS/2). If anything, for a game that seems to be doing the best on the handhelds, Capcom showed how smart they were by switching from the PS3 to Wii as it will likely be a game that would never need the graphic capabilities of the PS3.
Brofist
Member
RpgN said:
So people are more likely to discover a game on a system they didn't care about/own? (at the time MH first became a hit on PSP)
Let's try to picture this. Japanese game buyer goes to store:
"Hey look it's MH for the PSP, isn't that the game I passed up buying on the PS2..hey I know, instead of buying the PS2 version for the system I own, let me buy a new PSP and and the PSP version of it. Cause lawd knows I already own too damn many good games for the PS2 and it would just get lost in the mix of my awesome PS2 collection, and I have this extra 20,000 yen that needs to be spent"
does that sound about right?
Or more like the core MH audience (read hardcore fans), all picked it up on the PSP and discovered it's a game they would rather play on the go.
Re: Monster Hunter 3
I definitely agree that it won't do PSP numbers, but I do think there is a chance it could do better than the PS2 versions, because though its seen as a portable series, I really believe that some of the gamers who have gone batshit insane for the series might just pick up MH3 to have something new to play- they might not be patient enough to wait for the inevitable PSP port.
I definitely agree that it won't do PSP numbers, but I do think there is a chance it could do better than the PS2 versions, because though its seen as a portable series, I really believe that some of the gamers who have gone batshit insane for the series might just pick up MH3 to have something new to play- they might not be patient enough to wait for the inevitable PSP port.
Golden Darkness
Member
Speaking of sales, according to Media-Create in Japan alone there's been over 100 million pieces of software sold for the DS in just 3 years and 5 months. The PS2 did that in 4 years and 3 months.
http://ds.ign.com/articles/867/867314p1.html
http://ds.ign.com/articles/867/867314p1.html
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
New PS2 indeed.Golden Darkness said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Golden Darkness said:
Holy crap. It's a thing out of this world. How much comes from Nintendo's titles?
RpgN
Junior Member
kpop100 said:
We are not talking about ps2 gamers but psp gamers unaware what's available for the psp. And did I mention its gameplay is perfect for a portable handheld too? BTW it's not like that. It's more how MH has to compete with many titles that are better. Gamers don't have the money to buy every game available. On the psp it gets more noticed and gamers have less choice. Get it?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
How is that good news?
:/