http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/1977
It won in 1977. It released in 1976.
It's still one more best film award than Creed won.
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http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/1977
It won in 1977. It released in 1976.
It's still one more best film award than Creed won.
ryutaro's mama
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So what is a good metric in regards to Stallone's performance as Rocky (which is what we are discussing)?
FallingEdge
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Because it is Rocky. Rocky IV is the best movie of the series and I would like to see Creed 2 to be more like Rocky IV. I am excited to see Lundgren back as he can do no wrong.
I mean, that really is about it.
Bobby Roberts
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It won for Best Picture of 1976. Because that's the year it released and it was competing against other films in that year.
It didn't win Best Picture of 1977 because it wasn't released that year.
Again: This isn't "lore," nor do you need to be any sort of "expert" to know this. As you've just proved, all you need to do is type the words "Rocky" into a search window.
Stallone didn't direct Rocky. That was John Avildsen. Stallone directed II, III, IV, and Balboa. Of those four, Balboa is the best as a film. Creed is a better film than Balboa by a pretty easy distance in almost every metric you can think of. Creed also features a better old man Rocky than the one in Balboa.
ryutaro's mama
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It's not Rocky. Rocky was Rocky - Rocky Balboa.
It's Creed and Adonis' path had no tinge of wanting revenge or whatever. He never even asked Rocky a single question about Ivan Drago.
I think the reason for that is, Coogler wanted to steer clear of that 1985 goofiness.
He made the correct choice.
lightskintwin
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In terms of pure popcorn entertainment and escapism, Rocky 3 and 4 are the most fun out of all the films. Hell, even Rocky Balboa comes close.
ryutaro's mama
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Rocky 4 aged like milk.
That doesn't make Creed a better movie than either Rocky or Rocky Balboa. In fact, I don't think it makes it a better movie than Rocky II.
The best Rocky films are character studies about a man who boxes. Creed falls roughly in the middle of the best of the Rocky films and the dregs, which are more focused on the sport of boxing, the buildup and confrontation between two fighters.
lightskintwin
Banned
But dat nostalgia.
Yes you do.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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What makes you say that? I think the comedy elements are pretty bad but the thematic and emotional core of the movie remains strong in an era of cynicism and uncertainty.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
We've already established that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about though. Like, that was your whole point.
You thought Rocky won Best Picture for 1977
You thought Stallone directed Rocky
The statement that you were challenging was that Coogler hasn't made a Rocky movie better than Stallone has. He did. You went to Rocky to disprove that without realizing that Rocky wasn't a Stallone movie. It's an Avildsen movie.
Creed is a better movie than Balboa. I happen to think it's also a better movie than the first Rocky, but I also recognize that's much more debatable than whether it's better than Balboa, but then again, I didn't even have to broach that topic because you limited the scope of the comparison to films STALLONE directed.
In which case Coogler's got that one in the bag.
Coogler's a better director than Stallone, period. Better writer, too.
He's better at this than Sly is. Or was.
So yeah. Rocky and Rocky Balboa.
And Creed.
If that's the metric you wanna weigh the Rocky series on, then I don't even understand what the fuck we're doing even contemplating making direct continuations of the Russia storyline from Rocky IV. That movie is like the antithesis of your stated goal for a Rocky film.
IV is an incoherent jingoistic fucking mess.
TheSecondSpitter
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Still has the best soundtrack:
-- Hearts on Fire
-- Burning Heart
-- No Easy Way Out
-- Living in America
-- Eye of the Tiger
-- "Training Montage" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqwuYX3fZZc
That's a full card, right there.
lightskintwin
Banned
That's one of the best workout soundtracks. I used to listen to it all the time along with the Transformers the movie soundtrack.
It's like Stallone doesn't know Rocky.
ryutaro's mama
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Heavy handed Cold War inspired jingoism "remains strong"? Naw.
It isn't like wine.
It had a shelf life.
Like milk.
FallingEdge
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which is fair and nothing wrong with that, I however, want a Rocky IV-2
so fucking good
Milk doesn't get better with age tho.
TheSecondSpitter
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Lets not forget "Training Montage" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqwuYX3fZZc
Even after all these years, "Hearts on Fire" is still my go-to hulking up song, especially with the 'no pain, no pain" voiceover.
Sectorseven
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If Rocky IV and Creed were both on TV and I had to leave one on in the background, it would be Rocky IV.
bangbang i'm a timpani
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Creed was a great movie looking forward to another
Bobby Roberts
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And again, so far as I've heard - Stallone doesn't even have permission or rights to be pursuing this like he's doing. I don't think WB commissioned a script, nor have they put Stallone in control of any creative decision making.
He's just writing shit and calling friends and telling the press/instagramming stuff as he finishes it.
He's essentially, so far as I understand, volunteering his time, pro bono, on spec, and making a spectacle out of it.
Well yeah. The one you don't want to actually watch would be the one you choose in that situation.
He's just writing shit and calling friends and telling the press/instagramming stuff as he finishes it.
He's essentially, so far as I understand, volunteering his time, pro bono, on spec, and making a spectacle out of it.
Well yeah. The one you don't want to actually watch would be the one you choose in that situation.
I'd rather have Kindergarten Cop 3.
I loved Creed and really hoped there would be at least one sequel. The first movie set up Wheeler to be the next opponent, then maybe Conlon to get out of prison and have a rematch with Donnie in the third. Dolph is the man but, without Coogler at the helm, bringing Drago into this and going that route seems bizarre. What was nice about Creed was that not only was the character of Rocky passing the torch, Stallone himself was passing the torch to a new generation of filmmakers by not having written the film.
Somebody pay Stallone to do Expendables 4 instead and distract him from Creed 2!
I loved Creed and really hoped there would be at least one sequel. The first movie set up Wheeler to be the next opponent, then maybe Conlon to get out of prison and have a rematch with Donnie in the third. Dolph is the man but, without Coogler at the helm, bringing Drago into this and going that route seems bizarre. What was nice about Creed was that not only was the character of Rocky passing the torch, Stallone himself was passing the torch to a new generation of filmmakers by not having written the film.
Somebody pay Stallone to do Expendables 4 instead and distract him from Creed 2!
lightskintwin
Banned
It's probably why I like the score to Transformers the Movie too, because Vince DiCola scored both of them.
Escape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBCJK9ufXck
Spiritual_Chaos
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ryutaro's mama
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Spoken like someone who has never been to Philly.
autumnleaf
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Does that somehow make them circling around him actually good?
lightskintwin
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Yeah, there's a certain 80's gloss and excess I enjoy when watching Rocky 3 and 4.
ryutaro's mama
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If you knew anything about the bike/quad culture in Philly, you wouldn't ask that question.
Spiritual_Chaos
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Saw Pearl Jam two nights in Philly in 2013. Got a pick from Eddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8FmwT8EMk
Fancyarcher
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Cool, but I'm not sure a another Rocky / Drago fight at this point would be so great, considering where the character is at this point. This is just Stallone's ego checking in really.
Yeah Coogler's not directing nor is he interested, and thus I am less interested in this film as a result.
Yeah Coogler's not directing nor is he interested, and thus I am less interested in this film as a result.
ryutaro's mama
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Saw Pearl Jam two nights in Philly in 2013. Got a pick from Eddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8FmwT8EMk
So then I take it during those two nights there, you familiarized yourself with the quad/bike culture?
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, a lot of what people come to consider the '80s movie aesthetic was basically first seen on a wide scale via Stallone's direction of Rocky III.
The blueprint for Tony Scott's career was basically laid right there.
Spiritual_Chaos
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Well of course.
Otherwise I wouldn't to be able to feel it being a cheesy scene.
Sectorseven
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I think it's more... Rocky IV just has more moments. Moments that I remember and can sit through over and over. I don't really have a desire to watch any of these again, but something as bizarre as "happy birthday Paulie" or the excessive montages in IV light up my brain in a way Creed never did.
ryutaro's mama
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Ok, pal.
lightskintwin
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I think it's because Rocky 3 and 4 are pure popcorn and escapism films as I already said in this thread.
There's no question that Rocky and Creed are better films, but pure popcorn and escapism films are easily digestible and rewatchable.
It's just a lack of cultural context from his lens.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If it's on in the background and you're not paying attention to it why would it matter?
You basically said of the two, the one you'd like to not pay attention to while you do other shit is Rocky IV.
Which makes sense.
Because it's easily the least of the two films. So you're not gonna miss much by "watching" it for 2 minutes at a time while your attention is pointed elsewhere for however long its on in your periphery.
I mean, this is basically just code for "fucking dumb as rocks" though.
ryutaro's mama
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Dude tried running some bullshit out there about knowing that particular biking culture because he was in town see PEARL JAM.
lightskintwin
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Flashdance but with boxing instead of dancing.
Spiritual_Chaos
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No I did not. I just answered the question of if I had been in Philly. And, notice the smiley.
I just don't think I need to know that culture to find that sequence cheesy.
FallingEdge
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Creed is a good movie but Rocky IV is a great movie.
lightskintwin
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True, and probably why people to this day don't enjoy heavier themes in entertainment, and say, "keep your politics out my entertainment (movies, games, tv, etc...)
To a certain extent you do, because since you lack the cultural context you fill it in with your own and that's why you think it's cheesy. I have yet to hear a Black person think it's cheesy, and have only heard that criticism from White guys.
It's why diverse criticism on Pop culture is important particularly by those in those communities the art is depicting and created by.
ryutaro's mama
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You didn't smiley at all when I asked you a direct question:
And you just said you don't think you need to know the culture to find it cheesy...so like I said, you tried rolling some bullshit out there from a position where you DON'T actually know.
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