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COD: Ghosts has an exact same cutscene from MW2
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So that's just a given, because they work in the game industry they must per default be hard workers - Contrary to every other profession on earth where there's lazy people and people without passion everywhere, the game industry is a shining diamond setting examples everywhere? Where is this supposed hard work?
The engine is terrible, a supposed iteration to make it a next-generation engine and visually it's ugly as sin in 95% of the game. The performance and the visuals are abysmal on every single platform, texture work is completely inconsistent and at the core it's just the same old engine with barely any work done to it from the player's point of view. Not even a single care in the world for the PC port, that's just typical IW laziness. Oh and the faux 6GB requirement with gigabytes of empty data.
The map design I've seen so far in both multiplayer and single-player is terrible, It's boring, uninspired and a lot of brown. Only a few levels and maps break up this dreary mess.
Even gunplay, which is the stable of Call of Duty feels sloppy for some reason, the sluggishness when ADSing to 'improve accuracy' just feels like mouse smoothing plus the fact that the FPS takes a huge dump with the depth of field kicking in.
Now they even recycle entire cutscenes, cutscenes which people claim to be "homages" despite being used at some completely random, uneventful and straight up boring scene with exactly no callbacks, flashbacks or mentions to the MW2 scene - It has ZERO correlation! EVERYTHING about Ghosts is lazy and sloppy, I don't see an ounce of care anywhere in this game at this point however I'm not allowed to call the people who made the game out for that. No, they are hard-working upstanding citizens pumping out shit. Let me blame something else ...
You wonder why IW games took a massive dump after the actual talent left?
plagiarize
Banned
A fifteen second cutscene of the player being helped to their feet in a game that has three major modes?
Even if they did recycle it, I don't think we should be worrying about it. Sounds like there's plenty of legitimate things to be worried about rather than this piece of inconsequence.
Even if they did recycle it, I don't think we should be worrying about it. Sounds like there's plenty of legitimate things to be worried about rather than this piece of inconsequence.
Symbolism.
angular graphics
Banned
This. Even if the scene used new animations, the most worrying thing is that the game still uses such tired pseudo-drama scenes.. zero evolution.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
RAMIREZ!
COPY AND PASTE THAT CUTSCENE!
COPY AND PASTE THAT CUTSCENE!
are you serious ? any death scene that works should be replicated in all works of art that feature death, then.
legacyzero
Banned
This is just sad.
fabricated backlash
Member
We could eventually end up with such classic in-jokes like the Wilhelm scream... that would actually be awesome.
And you'd be wrong as the animation is from MW2...
I'll just reply to you with youtube top comments, just in case you think its lazy as what is in here :
Not to be a sour puss, but the real reason behind a majority of the similarities isn't really recycled animation, more recycled reference footage.Also, there's over 30 years between the making of some of the movies with recycled dance footage, for instance Snow White (1937) and Robin Hood (1973). Rest assured, the similarities aside, amazing artists still had to draw between 12 and 30 pictures for every second, 28-30 for all the dance/walk sequences.
test_account
XP-39C²
Fair enough =)
Good point, having to work with a PS4 and a Xbox One version in addition this time around, that could probably be one reason for this indeed.
PrivateRyan
Member
Calling it a tribute is a bit of a stretch but on the other hand, I'm really not bothered by this.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
The term lazy devs has never been more apt.
Seems more like a budget saving thing to me, rather clever use of the old animation as well. While I think the execution of recycled material is rather brilliant, I wouldn't really call it a homage or whatnot.
I think the bigger issue with the game is repetitive campaign design or whatnot, but I think that is for discussion elsewhere.
I think the bigger issue with the game is repetitive campaign design or whatnot, but I think that is for discussion elsewhere.
In addition to this, Bad Boys II has an identical truck chase setpiece to The Island.
Some of the comments here are quite something... and it also goes to show how little some people know about game development yet they're the ones with the most aggressive opinions...
They have a budget and a time constraint, and they have to do their best to pack as much as possible within that limit. If they had a cut-scene that was exactly the same as that old ending scene, then I don't think it's so bad if they re-use it. I have played MW2 as well and if I just saw the scene of Ghosts, I probably wouldn't have noticed (didn't even remember it...).
They have a budget and a time constraint, and they have to do their best to pack as much as possible within that limit. If they had a cut-scene that was exactly the same as that old ending scene, then I don't think it's so bad if they re-use it. I have played MW2 as well and if I just saw the scene of Ghosts, I probably wouldn't have noticed (didn't even remember it...).
Fox Mulder
Member
This isn't a big deal, movies often do this.
jediyoshi
Member
R2D2 popped up in Star Trek as well, homages don't have to be canonical.
A homage is there to pay respect to something. Who are they paying respect to here? Themselves?
This isn't a homage, or fanservice. This was most likely just a another shortcut to get this game done in time. They needed someone to be carried and it was just way too convenient to re-use the entire animation sequence. There is no craft involved, it's just pure laziness.
tarzanpuyol
Member
I am so glad I stopped playing this franchise after MW2, its been getting worse ever since.
chickdigger802
Banned
not really a big deal... but it doesn't really help the stigma people have with the franchise.
reuse character animations reload animations, ok. Never really seen people reuse cutscenes though
But hey, launch games. corners are cut at weird places.
reuse character animations reload animations, ok. Never really seen people reuse cutscenes though
But hey, launch games. corners are cut at weird places.
BeastLeeAdams
Banned
Watched it and didnt even remember it from MW2, neither did my girlfriend, and my opinion is: who the hell cares? How does this effect your life in anyway, besides verifying that you were right and they are the "same." Jesus people the games are not the same at all, they each have their own unique feel to them. Their multiplayer system is usually tweaked quite a bit, accept MW3 becuse they lost developers halfway through the making of it.Their campaigns are also pretty entertaining as well.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You know I just don't see the big deal here. As mentioned it's kind of a waste to redo something 100 percent new when you can draw upon established assets and animation to accomplish what you're doing. It's not like they just popped it in unchanged. I really think people are reaching for things to hate on. There are a lot more important things you can hate on COD for then reusing the animation from an older cutscene.
Triggerhappytel
Member
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"The only thing that rhymes is that I'm vomiting in stanzas - and I don't even know what that means."
How is it a nod because it's in the beginning? Ghosts isn't the sequel to MW2, MW3 is. So you can't even work the continuation angle.
ITT people think that reusing assets is being lazy and cheap.
Each game should start with a clean slate, right guys? Developers should delete all sound samples, animations, textures and models that were created for a game after finishing developing it and create completely new stuff (even if it is similar) for every new product. It wouldn't be a waste of time, human resources and money. At all.
It doesn't need to be a cut-scene (just like the whole cut-scene wasn't used reused here - just a bunch of animations; models, textures and backgrounds are different). It can be anything that was created for the purpose of being used in previous game.
Each game should start with a clean slate, right guys? Developers should delete all sound samples, animations, textures and models that were created for a game after finishing developing it and create completely new stuff (even if it is similar) for every new product. It wouldn't be a waste of time, human resources and money. At all.
It doesn't need to be a cut-scene (just like the whole cut-scene wasn't used reused here - just a bunch of animations; models, textures and backgrounds are different). It can be anything that was created for the purpose of being used in previous game.
Doing a shitty job with those established elements is still doing a shitty job, no matter how hard you worked.
Mind blown; love the Island.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
That's a standard practice that probably more than 90% of the industry is doing. The key is to not to overdo it.
This is pretty scummy, sure but anyone on here who has the nerve to call IW lazy is someone that clearly doesn't understand the brutal realities of game development. IW should be commended for being able to actually realize a big game like Ghosts on 6 different platforms. Being a next gen title is a monumental challenge in it's own right and it's evident in how rough the game is when compared to how polished the series has been. In short calling developers lazy is a lazy way of actually providing any form of criticism.
I'm well aware and I don't have an issue with that. The cutscene similarity is blatant but it's just kind of funny. I was more responding to building on the old engine and assets. From what I'm hearing this game is a mess on the technical side.
Didn't meant that it was a nod because it was at directly tied to the story per se just; a nod in general. It been earlt could also be seen as "passing the baton". Who knows.
There's some more after it. With the characters getting into the pickup and watching the place falling apart.
Then again guess I'm now part of the defense force...so, back to the game.
This is a pretty lazy move on their part ("fanservice"? Really?) but I don't think it should come as a surprise. COD isn't exactly praised for its innovation and fresh new ideas. When you pump these games out like clockwork it shouldn't come as a shock that there will be repetition.