I think Scream sucked at the commentary thing. Characters talking about the whole killer stuff as if they knew they were in a horror movie full of tropes was awful, especially since the movie tried to take itself seriously. IIRC in the third movie the main cast find a video tape recorded by then-dead horror movie expert (i.e. he must have recorded it before he died, even before the third murderer appeared) explaining the situation. That scene was facepalm worthy. :|
Cabin in the Wood at least made fun of all those tropes. It ridiculed them, played with them.
As EliteArtist said, it was a dark comedy.
Near the end? Did you forget how the laboratory staff ridiculed the gas station owner over the telephone? How they were voting over who will kill the teenagers? (Aquaman!) That dialogue about zombies vs "Zombie Redneck Torture Family" ("It's like the difference between an elephant and an elephant seal.")? The entire movie was tongue in cheek.
I thought it sucked. Other movies have done the commentary thing and probably better too. Scream, Funny Games.It's a movie mocking tropes by having nothing but tropes. I would have enjoyed it had I not been expecting an actually scary horror film.
Scream and Funny Games were doing a very different commentary on a very different subgenre (slasher horror, torture porn). It's not really a fair comparison. Cabin is completely unique in how it executes its satire, I think. Sure, it's not the only one, of course. But it still executes it in a very different way than even, say, Scary Movie.
Scream and Funny Games were doing a very different commentary on a very different subgenre (slasher horror, torture porn). It's not really a fair comparison. Cabin is completely unique in how it executes its satire, I think. Sure, it's not the only one, of course. But it still executes it in a very different way than even, say, Scary Movie.
I just didn't think it was that clever. Yes, almost every second is cliche but they're the most obvious cliches that have been referenced many times before.
I just didn't think it was that clever. Yes, almost every second is cliche but they're the most obvious cliches that have been referenced many times before.
Scream and Funny Games were doing a very different commentary on a very different subgenre (slasher horror, torture porn). It's not really a fair comparison. Cabin is completely unique in how it executes its satire, I think. Sure, it's not the only one, of course. But it still executes it in a very different way than even, say, Scary Movie.
I think Scream sucked at the commentary thing. Characters talking about the whole killer stuff as if they knew they were in a horror movie full of tropes was awful, especially since the movie tried to take itself seriously. IIRC in the third movie the main cast find a video tape recorded by then-dead horror movie expert (i.e. he must have recorded it before he died, even before the third murderer appeared) explaining the situation. That scene was facepalm worthy. :|
Cabin in the Wood at least made fun of all those tropes. It ridiculed them, played with them.
As EliteArtist said, it was a dark comedy
You completely missed the point of scream. Besides I don't think many people would cite the 3rd movie as an example of what makes the first one, and even second one, great.
Who takes any of the movies containing the shown tropes seriously? They are often some popcorn gore movies with a few jump scares sprinkled in.
Slasher movies are slasher movies. Why would you want to change that? Their tits&gore&funny-tropes appeal is the whole point why we still have them.
So why is there any need to address/mock something everyone already knows about?
Comments like "horror movies need reboot". What? As if every horror movie in the past years had all these tropes in it. There are still great, original horror movies or thrillers with horror elements.
That said, the movie was good and very fun. The concept is cool to think about and
having all those classic monsters unleashed in the end was awesome to watch. I would only wish for some more backstory, like how they did this stuff in the past and how they acquire the monsters etc.
Demanding audience = ancient gods etc. is obviously a neat comparison as well
Oh but I hate that this is primarily called a horror(&thriller) movie. I know it's supposed to mock them but you still don't need to label the movie with a wrong genre. Even Piranha and Scream, containing just as many tropes, are more horror than this.
It's more like a fantasy/sci-fi (dark) comedy. Oh well.
Who takes any of the movies containing the shown tropes seriously? They are often some popcorn gore movies with a few jump scares sprinkled in.
Slasher movies are slasher movies. Why would you want to change that? Their tits&gore&funny-tropes appeal is the whole point why we still have them.
So why is there any need to address/mock something everyone already knows about?
Comments like "horror movies need reboot". What? As if every horror movie in the past years had all these tropes in it. There are still great, original horror movies or thrillers with horror elements.
Almost every random 'not so frequent' movie viewer takes those kind of movies seriously. I can name then: Hills Have Eyes, Hostel, SAW, House of Wax, The Ring, The Innkeepers, The Woman in Black, Wrong Turn, I Know What You Did Last Summer etc.
I can go on and on but the last 10 years the majority of the movies always had the same premise; Teenagers who go somewhere and end up being killed after the nudity and sex is over. A dumb blonde who just ends up being killed. Teenagers who make wrong decisions, decisions that you would NEVER make if you were in that kind of scenario. Cellphone that never works (clearly evident at the start of the movie where the blonde mentions there is no GPS on their navigation).
It is not that there is anything wrong with slasher movies but directors have been stuck in the cycle for a very long time and people are finally starting to notice it and complain about it.
People want the good old The Shining days back. I know I do.
To be fair, the cellphone trope was a necessity for the horror genre considering that many of the horror narratives of the 70s, 80s and 90s would not exist if the victims had access to a working cellphone.
I'm surprised a cellphone carrier hasn't made a product campaign out of cellphones and horror films.
Basically:
Scenario where you're trapped in the middle of nowhere with a sadistic killer, and you have [insert opposing carrier] = death
Scenario where you're trapped in the middle of nowhere with a sadistic killer, and you have Sprint, Verizon, etc = Happy ending
You could even edit existing popular horror films to fit this mold.
To be fair, the cellphone trope was a necessity for the horror genre considering that many of the horror narratives of the 70s, 80s and 90s would not exist if the victims had access to a working cellphone.
It was a necessity back then but the cellphone trope has been overused for years now. I can watch and enjoy every single horror movie, but the moment someone grabs a cellphone and it does not work I always roll with my eyes and say ''Here we go again''
When people start using that phrase the fun is over.
I agree that it was not even close to the ''best movie ever'' quotes but it sure was oné of the most fun and watchable movies of the last couple of years because it tackled the one genre that I absolutely started to hate.
You completely missed the point of scream. Besides I don't think many people would cite the 3rd movie as an example of what makes the first one, and even second one, great.
I admit, I haven't watched the movie in a long time, but that's what I remember - that there was a horror geek and he was explaining/predicting, by citing various horror movies (and maybe novels, I don't remember), killer's actions and how the main cast should avoid or fight him. I enjoyed the movie, but even back then I thought that was weird and completely, for the lack of better word, unrealistic.
And I used the 3rd movie purposely - I know it was awful
Going to the movie completely blank, expecting another boring teen slasher (that was even advertised as "the best horror movie ever" to which I literally rolled my eyes), was the best thing I could have done. The movie took me by surprise, and it worked.
And I disagree with you about this not being a horror movie. I think it all comes down to how we define what a horror movie is. There's a lot of dark comedy in "The Cabin...", but cut out all those scenes from the underground laboratory in the first two acts and you'll end up with a movie that successfully mimics all the other slashers. It uses the same scenario, the same tropes, but adds its own commentary to the whole thing.
Almost every random 'not so frequent' movie viewer takes those kind of movies seriously. I can name then: Hills Have Eyes, Hostel, SAW, House of Wax, The Ring, The Innkeepers, The Woman in Black, Wrong Turn, I Know What You Did Last Summer etc.
I can go on and on but the last 10 years the majority of the movies always had the same premise; Teenagers who go somewhere and end up being killed after the nudity and sex is over. A dumb blonde who just ends up being killed. Teenagers who make wrong decisions, decisions that you would NEVER make if you were in that kind of scenario. Cellphone that never works (clearly evident at the start of the movie where the blonde mentions there is no GPS on their navigation).
It is not that there is anything wrong with slasher movies but directors have been stuck in the cycle for a very long time and people are finally starting to notice it and complain about it.
People want the good old The Shining days back. I know I do.
Almost every random 'not so frequent' movie viewer takes those kind of movies seriously. I can name then:Hills Have Eyes, Hostel, SAW, House of Wax, The Ring, The Innkeepers, The Woman in Black, Wrong Turn, I Know What You Did Last Summer etc.
I can go on and on but the last 10 years the majority of the movies always had the same premise; Teenagers who go somewhere and end up being killed after the nudity and sex is over. A dumb blonde who just ends up being killed. Teenagers who make wrong decisions, decisions that you would NEVER make if you were in that kind of scenario. Cellphone that never works (clearly evident at the start of the movie where the blonde mentions there is no GPS on their navigation).
It is not that there is anything wrong with slasher movies but directors have been stuck in the cycle for a very long time and people are finally starting to notice it and complain about it.
People want the good old The Shining days back. I know I do.
Terrible. I bolded the ones that are completely different from what you described or older than 10 years that I've seen. I'm surprised people are still crying about torture porn since the saw and hostel franchises are basically dead and with Paranormal Activity the new craze.
it's not a horror, it's a dark comedy with a monster theme. i went in mostly blind thinking it was going to be horror but after the first scene with the guys in the lab i knew it was going for a different tone.
the movie Severance has a similar vibe and for those that liked cabin you should check it out.
no offense but between this and gaming side, you're like my reverse opinion twin: i feel safe trying things you hate and vice-versa, it's actually quite helpful Dennis
It only released here in Portugal now. I thought it was fantastic, the whole BB thing in a horror movie and not knowing what the hell was happening was really great. Oh and all the Lovecraftian references were fantastic..
Season 4 of Buffy is essentially a low budget version of this film:
Govt working with monsters
Secret underground facility
Glass cages with different types of monsters in
Govt cant control the "evil"
Mass escape of monsters and massacre
Not that I question that, but you also have to take into account that the movie has different release dates in different countries: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259521/releaseinfo Looking at the list from IMDB, the movie hasn't even been released yet in few countries.
Yeah, it happens every single time a movie leaks online. A shame, especially if they were reading this thread before we could have told them what a great theatrical experience it was
