Classy!
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
- Thread starter zakislam
- Start date
Classy!
That's a pretty ignorant statement. Not all lets players do just that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaF-Tkv8NXw&list=SPGxCL8JAojAPcEfvqJ5cS9vWwUJuTLddh&index=1
They cosplay. They respond directly to fans and developers. They actually get their fanbase to buy the games. Now tell me, should they get shut down too? Fraser spends the same amount of time on his vids that a person would put into a full time job.
Velcro Fly
Member
GameXplain got hit hard, including reviews.
Nintendo sends them review copies of games for crying out loud.
Goodbye, YouTube. You won't be missed.
Nintendo sends them review copies of games for crying out loud.
Goodbye, YouTube. You won't be missed.
His point is, how do you build up that fame and word of mouth if popular channels playing popular games are getting shut down? How do you generate that traffic if you aren't allowed to talk about things that are popular?
The problem is that this is an automated system, people aren't necessarily being hit because Publisher X told Google to seek out violations.
Did it myself once.
Its not hard work in anyway.
Work hard to get people to watch? Have you seen Pewdiepies vids?
Marauder Shields
Member
What is it with this pewdiepie guy that gets so many people's jimmies rustled?
Oh sure, I agree; was just pointing out the situation at hand.
It's easy to understand where youtube is coming from and what forces they are following. They are afraid of the content owners which with the DMCA have all the rights to take arbitrary content down, with very little costs if something is flagged wrongly. Also these sames content owners have tons of money to fight long lawsuits, and have done so in the past.
On the other hand there are the guys that youtube pays advertising money to. These guys aren't going to sue, and even if they did, they will probably lose. And Google has to pay that advertising money to someone, so it may as well be the big content owners.
So the only answer is a massive flight of videos and spectators from youtube, but this ain't really happening. The old videos are still available, it's just that the ad money goes elsewhere. If new videos are not produced, they probably won't be produced either for other networks.
every type of content is affected by this, not just walkthroughs. If you have any content of a game they can flag you. .
Made a bad video review? flagged!
Made a nice one? have some money!
Who the fuck is getting shut down?
The problem is that Playing a game is far different from watching someone else play game because, you know, it's interactive.
Which is why game reviews are getting flagged?
Also, yes some people have not bought games because of lets plays but far more have bought games because of lets plays. Amnesia the Dark Decent was sold at a major discount before its release because the developers we're running out of money. Because of the power of Let's Players the game has now sold 1.4 million units. I was one of the people who pre-ordered it and i'm so grateful that is sold well.
He's popular
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Two things: Show us how popular your video is. If it's that easy, your video should be doing quite well.
Secondly, you still don't seem to understand this extends far beyond Let's Plays
crooked spin
Member
Anecdotal: I've only watched a few Let's Plays but I ALWAYS mute them because the commentary is so terrible I feel embarrassed FOR them. So I don't really get the "but the commentary is what MAKES THEM GOOD" defense.
cr_blah_blah
Member
And true. If someone can't see past "it's so easy, why should they make so much money doing something so easy, corporations deserve more money because I don't like that people make money off their personalities" all because they don't like LPs and don't realize the actual larger situation, then yeah I'm right.
Well, obviously each video is going to fulfill the criteria necessary to be considered fair use differently, but if they're making money off of other people's content, they've already knocked over one of the four pillars upon which a fair use case can rest.
Fair use is determined by four basic criteria: Is this a commercial or non-commercial derivative work? How much of the original work do they use? Why are they using the work? What effect does it have on the owner of the original work?
If your answers are: Non-commercial, a short amount, for commentary/criticism, and negligible, then you're probably going to be okay. But any movement from that space and you're likely not actually engaging in fair use, but rather simply violating the owner's copyright.
People often forget that a part of copyright is the ability to control who distributes the work.
Right of first sale does not allow you to do anything you want with a work you purchased a copy of. It doesn't, for example, allow you to copy and reproduce, which are specifically covered by copyright. And what's actually going on in these videos.
One could certainly attempt to make such an argument in a fair use case, although I suspect it wouldn't get very far if you've shown the entire game.
I'm just responding to his opinion about them not getting money for their work. They'll eventually stop making vids right?
Some people luck out. Just look at some of the current crop of icons from mainstream media.
Others put in hard work and earn their viewership.
Did your video get enough views to have made you money?
blitzcloud
Banned
not sure if serious.
He's totally un-relatable for us geezers.
SpookyFries
Member
Perhaps this is what Adam Sessler was hinting at on Twitter a while back?
Most do.
Its like my mate on yt, he actually puts effort into his vids and does live action. I dont think he should get shut down, at all. Same goes for that vid you linked.
But for the people who do strictly voice of gameplay, then yes, they should. They dont own the content so why should they make the bank from it?
jacob armitage
Banned
Well this is a very sad day indeed, i really didn't think they'd be silly enough to do this. A lot of peoples hard work gone down the drain and the reason a lot of people use and produce content for Youtube is no more. I understand if its pressure from the companies who own the content but i can't help but feel its very short sighted, seriously damaging a large community of their fans.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
No, it is really easy. Just time consuming, and that time is just how long it takes you to play the game.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Yea. People don't seem to grasp this. lol.
I don't do anything with video games, but I've had some things that I've had my hand in flagged, just because a section sounded like something someone claimed it did, even if nothing licensed was used... lol
Velcro Fly
Member
Why do you speak about things you know nothing about.
Pretty sure those companies get permission from pubs.
That's exactly what I was wondering...
Have you ever edited a video before? It takes several hours at the very least, even more so depending on how elaborate the video is. And that's not even including the time spent on setting up the recording equipment, learning how to use professional video editing software, rendering the video, and dealing with Youtube's bullshit.
An old death rally review did yes. I made some money but not a great amount.
At the end of the day they dont own the material they are using to make the money.
This is happening for that exact reason.
It's possible. Though he's in the unique position where everything he makes doesn't HAVE to get posted on youtube, Rev3 can host their stuff locally.
But yeah man, this is going to kneecap how people talk about games significantly
It's something pretty difficult to manage. I do not think everyone should be punished for it though, I'm just hoping it doesn't get to that point.
This pertains to all content though. you have one second of footage they can flag you and take any ad revenue you make.
You don't see how that could be a tiny bit inconvenient if you like high production values in you content? People are getting flagged for reviews even.
CrackPebbles
Member
Anything happen to thesw1cher/tbfp? Only channel I watch on youtube.
oof, I'd rather be a garbage collector.
jacksepticeye
Member
Just checked my email, I got 4 messages like that, I have over 500 videos so I'm expecting a lot more
Sir Walter Taffy
Member
Just clicked on a few vids when I saw the thread. Still got videos (tried some beyond stuff and went back to the RE2 stuff) and what I checked was there and still had ads running on them. I would be sad too if I saw them go...
Poetic.Injustice
Member
I look forward to a future where I can only watch Minecraft videos on Youtube.
So, you're saying that in your review, people watched because you were playing death rally? Not because it was a review of death rally? Was death rally just so popular that your random video got enough views to make money?
They can still make videos as freely as they did before, it will depend on why they have been doing so in the first place I guess.
Not for the lets players which we are talking about.
If you record on a pc, you can use fraps and record your voice at the same time. All thats left to do is a little trimming of the video in vegas etc etc then upload.
Tell me, why should peopole make a killing of someone elses content which they dont own?
Been going down with each update.
It's only a matter of time before people say enough and migrate elsewhere.
Yeah...these guys produce videos for a living. Sure, they can make videos for free.
This issue isn't black and white. Sure, some LPers don't deserve it. But Youtube's automated system can't tell the difference.
#TEAMVIMEO
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
"Freely" is really a perspective issue. If they have to get a full-time job, that's going to drastically cut down how "freely" they can make videos
Shouta
Member
Garbage collectors get paid pretty good as I recall.
Anyway, this is pretty bullshit. The ramifications are pretty bad for what this could entail in the end. The community in ompetitive games in particular will be hit hard
imadinosaur
Banned
Not necessarily.