Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Holy shit OP good post there. Am still sifting through the data on the ipad as I type this on the PC.
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Was Dark Souls 2 really made by a B-Team? Also, Demon's Souls 2 speculation.
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Um, a game where both sides can heal > a game where only the host can chug estus and not even be interrupted by poise. Grass is very easy to punish compared to poise-stacked Estus. And of course that's not counting the duped divine blessings...
Game Freak's B Team churns out HGSS (maybe Platinum too?) and BW2, games that filled brim with pack of content compared to their respective Generational games. "B-Team" in this case by no mean try to downplay the talent of the team, let alone insult them unless yours perception of B team is a very inferior one.
I have said this exact thing to someone before. It was content for the sake of content sometimes....Instead of focus.
I think its a bit unfair to say DS2 was made by the "B" team. The game isn't bad by any means, its very good, maybe even great, its just not as good as demons or ds1 ( imo mind you so take that for whatever its worth). Would love a demons souls 2 game but then I was pretty hyped for ds 2 and ended being kinda dissapointed with it so knows but I would peobably be their day one if it had that same demons souls vibe.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I wouldn't doubt it at all.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Has to be. Has to be. With Morpheus hooks for when thats released. Lawd please.
Exr
Member
Yeah all of us Dark Souls fans are really writing posts on www.neogaf.com detailing why we didn't like the 2nd game as much because we want to be considered cool.
ComputerMKII
Banned
So Dark Souls 2 is shit? Welp...
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I would shit purple monkeys with happiness if this was true. Since seriously FAR FAR FAR overdue with a return to the series. And if now IF they use morpheus with it.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
1) What makes you so sure Dark Souls Sales won't be beaten. A next gen rpg definitely has more allure than just being a Souls game.
2) Next gen rpg's are expensive. Funding may be a possible reason.
It may not be another Demons Souls. It could very well be another SCEJ x FROM project or new entry in the Souls series.
The credits all point to the fact that Miyazaki and his team started working on a project several years ago. The lack of programmers could suggest that either they are working with another team or they are at the early stages despite working on it for over two years.
I don't doubt they're making another game, I just doubt it's DeS2. Sony has no money for moneyhats and the PS4's already won.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
A collaboration between SCEJ and FROM is not a money hatting, especially when Sony is funding the development.
Well here is the thing. They own Demon Souls and could easily contract Fromsoft to do a little coop with Sony's Japan team like last time.
I don't think we will "exactly" DeS2 but it's not impossible to happen.
Estus chugging is slow as hell and doesn't heal like Dark Moon Grass. Use backstabs and you can easily punish Estus.
Duped Divine Blessings are an excuse to go full asshole mode on your foe.
How about the first Seath encounter, where you unexpectedly walk into a battle you literally can't win and then have to backtrack through the hell that is the Dukes' Archives just to find your bloodstain?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I am not seeing how Ds2 is a huge disappointment compared to DsS and DS and I own and played all three games thoroughly. Sure, there were some things better in DeS and DS, but I think it DS2 actually made improvements over DS1 and also consider the fact that the developers were different this one. The game imo is still high quality and amazing. Also, I have to say I fail to see why everyone thinks DeS is vastly superior to both DS games. It was legendary, but I do not see how it was a much better game.
Don't you find it a little ironic that you agree with someone saying GAF operates on assumptions but then say that second part as if that is a definite fact and not just another assumption?
Not saying the game definitely exists, just don't see how you could clearly say it doesn't, especially in that context.
It might very well be in existence even though people shouldn't automatically act like that's what's going in with this Dark Souls 2. Who knows really.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Not as easily as you can punish grass, since there's no poise and there's plenty of OHKO backstab weapons.
And, of course, you can grass back. Or stack lolregen.
Ok....?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Am I the only one that liked the regen build. Maybe it needs to be balanced more (such as requiring higher stat investment) but it was very interesting fighting against regen builds. You had to be very aggressive and consistent in your damage dealing.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Oh sure, it's a valid tactic. Unless you are a host and stack it with a regen ring, knowing that phantoms must sacrifice a ring slot, in which case I hate you. 
(This also goes for host who use hyper mode, scrubs all of them.)
Edit: getting OT now though XD
(This also goes for host who use hyper mode, scrubs all of them.)Edit: getting OT now though XD
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Oh sure, it's a valid tactic. Unless you are a host and stack it with a regen ring, knowing that phantoms must sacrifice a ring slot, in which case I hate you.
Edit: getting OT now though XD
Hyper mode was ridiculous in DeS. Morion Blade, CW, clever rats ring and then Second Chance. It didn't matter you were on such low health as you would get revived anyway
Yeah this is getting off topic lol
I think it's pretty interesting that Naotoshi Zin was the lead game designer for Dark Souls II. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's been Supervisor for like every fucking From Software game since the PSone-era King's Field titles. I always recall seeing his name at the end of a lot of their game's credits, including oddball shit like Evergrace and Shadow Tower. After playing through Dark Souls II, I feel like it has the most in common with the King's Field titles, as far as some design decisions go, particularly in some of the stage/area design. It's even the first Souls title to re-introduce "hidden" walls where you have the player "examine" a wall to reveal a hidden door which was TOTALLY a King's Field-only thing. I guess that makes sense to have gotten those vibes considering one of the guys who's been there since the beginning was behind the lead design.
Regardless, I gotta echo/stress the sentiment that I too will be super disappointed if the next "dark RPG" project we see out of From is simply a next-gen Dark Souls or "Demon's Souls II".
Regardless, I gotta echo/stress the sentiment that I too will be super disappointed if the next "dark RPG" project we see out of From is simply a next-gen Dark Souls or "Demon's Souls II".
Eh, he could have done better. I think this was a B team post. A Team Gaf must be off making better posts.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Natoshi Zin is usually labelled as a supervisor much like how Iwata is credited in nearly every Nintendo game. Doesn't mean he had a hand in development.
B-team = inexperienced which they evidently are.
Is that why many others have to do magical shit just to get the game to boot up, and others like me can't get it to boot up no matter what we do?
I'd rather have a game needing Durante's fix to look pretty and be able to play it then one I can't play, thanks.
No, I understand that, but I just meant that now since he had a lead game design role in Dark Souls II maybe he incorporated more King's Field-like things since he's had oversight on things since the beginning. I swear, as funny as it sounds, he's the one responsible for the inclusion of the Moonlight Sword in every From game, lol!
It was a spiritual successor but the IP is owned by Sony and another entry would be welcomed. A Souls game exclusive to the most powerful console would be amazing.
So it's really just the desire for an exclusive title.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Assuming Demon's Souls 2 isn't happening, From still had their core team from Demon's and Dark Souls move on to something entirely different rather than work on Dark Souls II. I mean, it's great if they're letting staff cut loose before getting bored of a certain franchise, but they're definitely hiding something and I think whatever Miyazaki and his colleagues are working on is cause to be excited.
There are some rumors floating around dating as far back as one year I believe. I don't think that they've been confirmed though. So it's up to us to believe them or not.
No, just for another Souls game done by a the "A" team. Its not about having this on a preferred platform but being exclusive to the system that is easier to develop for and has some beef is something positive. There is no need to take care of the lowest comon denomniator and development doesnt have to held back because of parity in performance or something like that.
I would just like to have the Hub world system back. I am really enjoying DkS2 alot more because its closer to that in many of its areas. I always felt good knowing I had conquered a place completely and moving on to an entirely new and entirely different area.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I don't know about anyone else, but I liked Demon's Souls best and I want a direct sequel.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
Sal Paradise
Member
So you're part of the A-team then? Cause this sure made me laugh.
Plz everyone don't get so personally attacked by the "B-team" term, as I just picked it up from here, Reddit, IGN, 8-4 Play etc, and used it as a subject for my research. Also, plz read the OP. Thanks.
Earthpainting
Member
I appreciate the effort that went into the research of the OP, but "B-team" might be a little bit harsh. It's likely that this is simply what their A-team has turned into.
To be fair, two of those three are very safe guesses that most were assuming, as they were based around very long and expensive developments. Demon's Souls 2 is kind of in a category of its own in that regard.
I don't know about "A" team (I agree with others who have said that calling the Dark Souls 2 developers "B" team is needlessly derogatory), but it sounds like you agree with what I said. It's about having an exclusive title, as there isn't a world of difference between Demon's Souls and the Dark Souls titles.
It feels like hearing someone say they'd love it if Konami stopped making Metal Gear Solid titles and gave us a true Metal Gear 3.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That's exactly what it is like. For all intents and purposes it is perfectly obvious that Dark Souls is Demon's Souls 2 in all but name and story.
Jazzkokehead
Member
Wow, people will really go to any length to justify their dislike of this game.
If you didn't like it, fine, but trying to claim it was made by a "B-Team" is nonsense of the highest order.
If you didn't like it, fine, but trying to claim it was made by a "B-Team" is nonsense of the highest order.
LordBaztion
Member
I understand that there might be a Demon's Souls 2 in the works but I fail to see why would Sony want to have 2 dungeon crawlers (DeS2 and DD) with a "similar" setting/aesthetic being developed at the same time.