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Smiles and Cries · May 2, 2012

you people are a bit touchy about your USB 2.0 and 3.0
that shit is the least of our worries about the WiiU as fans of NIN TEN DO

we can't expect them to solve every drawback they gave us last ten overnight
you'll take your 2.0 Useable USB and like it

wait until they tell us what they are going to use 4 of them for before we complain

ColdBlooder · May 2, 2012

about the usb 2.0/3.0 thing again

Nintendo could use eSata as a solution. Why i bring this up? Because Sata controllers usually support at least 2 drives. So they could hook up their Blu Ray like drive to Sata1 port and use the second one for the external HDD.

Using Sata 3, eSata is supposed to be as quick as usb 3 (6Gbit instead of the 5Gbit of USB3, theoretical speed) Or slower, but not by much using Sata 2 (3Gbit instead of USB2s 480mbit).

So 2 birds (Optical drive and external HDD) with 1 stone... Quite a "Nintendo way" to do things.

Smiles and Cries · May 2, 2012

M74 said:
Leave luck to Heaven?

No... that's NINTENDO, I was just telling the dude to enjoy his day

trying to look for sarcasm on NeoGAF will give anyone a headache SMH

StevieP · May 2, 2012

Thunder Monkey said:
He's mah boy, but some of you guys take this stuff too seriously.

I mean yes some of the media writing off Nintendo before they've announced anything is irritating. But who cares? If you're going to get worked up over anything on the internet make it be on something worthwhile.

Gender inequality around the world, massive wealth disparities between those in the same countries and then the massive gulf with the rest of the world, elections used to placate the masses while having few discernible effects, or the fact that our very economic system is based on fiction. Little slips of paper that have no real meaning other than what we give it. Only worth anything if we think it is.

Videogames are fun time wasters. But there's some real shit to get irritated about out there.

I like you, monkey.

Linkhero1 said:
512 MB of ram, here we come!

With 512mb reserved by the OS.

Effect said:
Move isn't supported on the PS3 versions of CoD. Not Black Ops or Modern Warfare 3. Neither does Battlefield 3 or Medal of Honor. Sony's first party FPS (Resistance, Killzone, MAG) do support it. MAG even had it patched it after it was released. This is why I don't think it's a certainty unless the Wii remote is in the box and looked as a standard control scheme alongside the new controller. Though maybe that won't matter as they made sure to add classic controller support to the Wii versions and that didn't come with the system.

Yep... if it's not in the box I'm confident that most third parties won't bother. Even Treyarch, who was good with the Wii. Only exclusive games (Conduit 3?) will bother

-Pyromaniac- said:
it's all good, everyone is allowed to think what they like. I personality think the last 2 infinity ward COD games have been generic garbage with horrible game design in general but I've always liked treyarch, it's only now they seem to be getting some respect.

Hopefully Nintendo made sure that if they were going to get any 3rd party game this was the one, would be a shame if not, because then I'd have to get it for PS3 rather than wiiU.

As someone who just purchased MW3 on PC for a discount... ugh. MW2 but crappier. And still using the peer-to-peer console online model on PC. For shame, Infinity Ward. What have you become? Blops was so much better.

Linkhero1 said:
They most likely won't allow it. I believe it's due to the fact that people will just install and return the game after they install a copy on their HDD or SD card. Then again, they can just do what MS is doing and make it so that you must have the disc in the tray, but that defeats the purpose of installing a game if you're too lazy to change discs.

Games will be locked to the console via license code. Think PC/Steam/etc

Boss Doggie · May 2, 2012

SaintMadeOfPlaster said:
They hired Denise something-or-other (Kegler I think?), but she left after about a year or so. Now they have some guy whose name I can't remember

BD1 said:
Scott Moffitt replaced Cammie as EVP Sales & Marketing. Here he is at CES this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU0Kx...e_gdata_player

Ahh him. I wonder if he'll appear in E3.

GameplayWhore · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
With 512mb reserved by the OS.

512MB of RAM with 512MB reserved? This is doable if Nintendo uses the external USB 2.0 drive as virtual memory.

Might have to use most of the internal flash as a cache, though.

Ookami-kun said:
Ahh him. I wonder if he'll appear in E3.

Maybe he likes puppies, too.

SaintMadeOfPlaster · May 2, 2012

Ookami-kun said:
Ahh him. I wonder if he'll appear in E3.

Considering Nintendo is trying to change their image at the moment, it would be cool if there were a new face to attach to it. I doubt he'll have any stage presence though.

Linkhero1 · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
With 512mb reserved by the OS.

I know I was only kidding

Games will be locked to the console via license code. Think PC/Steam/etc

But how would they do it if they allow you to install the game onto your console? The original post was asking about installing games off disc onto your console so you wouldn't have to use the disc.

-Pyromaniac- · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
As someone who just purchased MW3 on PC for a discount... ugh. MW2 but crappier. And still using the peer-to-peer console online model on PC. For shame, Infinity Ward. What have you become? Blops was so much better.

I wonder the same thing, I've come tothe conclusion that COD4 was some kind of fluke of some sort. Anyway I'm just glad the next one is treyarch, it's the main reason I'm interested (beyond all the interesting changes). They understand map design, and for PC gamers they used dedicated servers last time, all in all the superior dev these days.

StevieP · May 2, 2012

Linkhero1 said:
But how would they do it if they allow you to install the game onto your console? The original post was asking about installing games off disc onto your console so you wouldn't have to use the disc.

Every piece of content you purchase, whether it's a retail disc or a download code from the retailer, or the Nintendo uShop - is going to be locked to your console/account.

That disc and its associated license isn't going to work anywhere else but your console.

HylianTom · May 2, 2012

SaintMadeOfPlaster said:
Considering Nintendo is trying to change their image at the moment, it would be cool if there were a new face to attach to it. I doubt he'll have any stage presence though.

Yeah.. he's eloquent enough, but I'm wondering if anyone can command the stage in the same way that Reggie does.

StevieP said:
Every piece of content you purchase, whether it's a retail disc or a download code from the retailer, or the Nintendo uShop - is going to be locked to your console/account.

That disc and its associated license isn't going to work anywhere else but your console.

Man, how I am hating this future.. ugh..

The Xtortionist · May 2, 2012

Was is ever confirmed if there's going to be an optical port for dolby 5.1?

JoshuaJSlone · May 2, 2012

Dreamwriter said:
$16 a share down from $30 in the last year, down from $70 in the heyday of the Wii, 2008

The peak time for stock prices and actual DS/Wii numbers is a bit different. Stock was at its highest point late 2007. By the time DS and Wii were putting their biggest numbers up late 2008, it was down nearly half. *shrug* I don't have great faith in the stock market making perfect sense, which is why something like a decent E3 showing could earn me the value of an extra launch game.

The Xtortionist said:
Was is ever confirmed if there's going to be an optical port for dolby 5.1?

Nope. E3 2011 spec sheet says

Audio Output:
Uses AV Multi Out connector. Six-channel PCM linear output through HDMI.

StevieP · May 2, 2012

HylianTom said:
Man, how I am hating this future.. ugh..

Get used to it. It's already the case on PC, and I'm fairly certain that will be the case on all 3 consoles. The fact that there is an easy-as-pie NFC reader and the fact that Iwata just recently told you that all content will be cross-purchaseable at retail/download/etc should raise all the flags that needed to be raised that Nintendo is in on this as the other 2 companies are.

The Xtortionist said:
Was is ever confirmed if there's going to be an optical port for dolby 5.1?

Nope. HDMI is the only way you'll be getting multichannel outside of pro logic II as far as we know. The analog output port looked the exact same as the one on the Wii.

The Xtortionist · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
Nope. HDMI is the only way you'll be getting multichannel outside of pro logic II as far as we know. The analog output port looked the exact same as the one on the Wii.

So how am I supposed to get Dolby 5.1 surround into my headphones.

HylianTom · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
Get used to it. It's already the case on PC, and I'm fairly certain that will be the case on all 3 consoles. The fact that there is an easy-as-pie NFC reader and the fact that Iwata just recently told you that all content will be cross-purchaseable at retail/download/etc should raise all the flags that needed to be raised that Nintendo is in on this as the other 2 companies are.

So.. what happens to "my" content when the console it's registered to craps-out?

bgassassin · May 2, 2012

ColdBlooder said:
about the usb 2.0/3.0 thing again

Nintendo could use eSata as a solution. Why i bring this up? Because Sata controllers usually support at least 2 drives. So they could hook up their Blu Ray like drive to Sata1 port and use the second one for the external HDD.

Using Sata 3, eSata is supposed to be as quick as usb 3 (6Gbit instead of the 5Gbit of USB3, theoretical speed) Or slower, but not by much using Sata 2 (3Gbit instead of USB2s 480mbit).

So 2 birds (Optical drive and external HDD) with 1 stone... Quite a "Nintendo way" to do things.

The main reason I've focused on USB 3.0 over eSATA was the latter's need for external power. I think for the consumer USB 3.0 would be less complex since they just would plug it in the console and that's that. Either way like I said before when it's 2015 and Wii U is only 3 years old, 2.0 won't be anywhere near as capable.

Also after skimming through the last few pages, after talking with some people (Ideaman included), I think it's safe to say we're looking at 2GB of total system memory for Wii U. The remaining questions will be what type of memory is it and how much will OS and friends need. 512MB will probably be the worst case and hopefully they'll trim the footprint even more.

Javier · May 2, 2012

comedy bomb said:
So what happens when E3 comes and goes, and there still isn't much announced software wise. Do we still cling to a mystery NDA?

Worse conference equals better ReactionGAF. So there's always that.

StevieP · May 2, 2012

HylianTom said:
So.. what happens to "my" content when the console it's registered to craps-out?

Well, you could hope that Nintendo does it per account (i.e. you sign into the account on the new/repaired Wii U). Alternatively, the Nintendo repair shops have the ability to transfer the licenses to a different console as they do now with the Wii and you do with DSi->3DS

So how am I supposed to get Dolby 5.1 surround into my headphones.

Search the 'net for an HDMI to optical converter and pray that it works without messing with the analog video signal lol

BurntPork · May 2, 2012

Smiles and Cries said:
you people are a bit touchy about your USB 2.0 and 3.0
that shit is the least of our worries about the WiiU as fans of NIN TEN DO

we can't expect them to solve every drawback they gave us last ten overnight
you'll take your 2.0 Useable USB and like it

wait until they tell us what they are going to use 4 of them for before we complain

I guess you'll say that we're "lucky" to have USB 3.0 in the Wii V six years from now too, huh? :/

HylianTom · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
Well, you could hope that Nintendo does it per account (i.e. you sign into the account on the new/repaired Wii U). Alternatively, the Nintendo repair shops have the ability to transfer the licenses to a different console as they do now with the Wii and you do with DSi->3DS

If it's tied to account, I'd have zero problems with it. That'd be quite a bit more tolerable, actually.

Javier said:
Worse conference equals better ReactionGAF. So there's always that.

Oh but yes, haha!

Coldnoodle · May 2, 2012

One work month left, gaaaaaaaaah D;

Medalion · May 2, 2012

Coldplay619 said:
One work month left, gaaaaaaaaaf D;

Fixed

BurntPork · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
Get used to it. It's already the case on PC, and I'm fairly certain that will be the case on all 3 consoles. The fact that there is an easy-as-pie NFC reader and the fact that Iwata just recently told you that all content will be cross-purchaseable at retail/download/etc should raise all the flags that needed to be raised that Nintendo is in on this as the other 2 companies are.

I disagree. I don't see Nintendo jumping on the no used games bandwagon, even when applying those flimsy red flags to it. You would think that there would have been a rumor about it already if that were the case. I also HIGHLY doubt that Nintendo would kill the family aspect of the console by making it so that only one of the accounts on a console can use a disc.

japtor · May 2, 2012

Power Stranger said:
It will be interesting to see how successful the Wii U is and how third party games sell on it. We may see a future where the majority of developers put the majority of time developing games for the WiiU because of factors like lower development costs, large install base, and high sales through DD and what not by the time 720/PS4 comes out.

So yeah, I can definitely see overly-ambitious hardware failing due to high development costs....I have a sneaking suspicion that Nintendo knows exactly what they're doing.

Hasn't the "first" platform pretty much been the lead? If it's enough of a boost over 360/PS3 I could see it as the base platform in the future, particularly if it gets a big lead in install base from the head start.

GameplayWhore said:
Hey, would it have to be on a separate bus? I seem to recall that USB steps down to the speed of the slowest device connected, and Keyboards tend to go really slowly.

Yeah, but they could do USB 2.0 keyboards. I know Apple's been doing that for a while now, I'm guessing other major ones are USB 2.0 too.

blu said:
You mean we're lucky to have an industry-standard interface in the wiiU. Otherwise who would waste money putting unusable usb in their console?

*glares at his non standard Xbox 360 USB joystick*

HylianTom said:
So.. what happens to "my" content when the console it's registered to craps-out?

Ideally it's tied to your account as well. My wish with Nintendo is that they'd tie it entirely to your account and let you use multiple consoles like with iOS and the 360 but I'm not sure Nintendo is ready for that yet.

bgassassin said:
The main reason I've focused on USB 3.0 over eSATA was the latter's need for external power. I think for the consumer USB 3.0 would be less complex since they just would plug it in the console and that's that. Either way like I said before when it's 2015 and Wii U is only 3 years old, 2.0 won't be anywhere near as capable.

Also after skimming through the last few pages, after talking with some people (Ideaman included), I think it's safe to say we're looking at 2GB of total system memory for Wii U. The remaining questions will be what type of memory is it and how much will OS and friends need. 512MB will probably be the worst case and hopefully they'll trim the footprint even more.

Yeah the issue with eSATA is just the lack of power. Granted with a 3.5" drive either way you need external power, but with USB you can hook up a 2.5" drive with just the single cable.

As for RAM, didn't they reduce the reserved amount for the 3DS system software after launch and let games use more?

Fantastical · May 2, 2012

SaintMadeOfPlaster said:
They hired Denise something-or-other (Kegler I think?), but she left after about a year or so. Now they have some guy whose name I can't remember

Didn't Denise Kaigler have a different position than Cammie? I thought I remembered both Kaigler and Dunaway working there at the same time.

The Xtortionist · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
Search the 'net for an HDMI to optical converter and pray that it works without messing with the analog video signal lol

So I have to spend about $50 on one of those (only ones I saw) and pray it doesn't add input lag or that it doesn't fuck up the signal. Sweet.

HylianTom · May 2, 2012

Coldplay619 said:
One work month left, gaaaaaaaaah D;

Just over 810 hours left. Oh yes!

StevieP · May 2, 2012

BurntPork said:
I disagree. I don't see Nintendo jumping on the no used games bandwagon, even when applying those flimsy red flags to it. You would think that there would have been a rumor about it already if that were the case. I also HIGHLY doubt that Nintendo would kill the family aspect of the console by making it so that only one of the accounts on a console can use a disc.

If there is something to make an avatar bet on, it's this. lol
It's going to need industry-wide support to happen, and Nintendo is part of that industry. Read Iwata's comments carefully. The infrastructure to accept a code/license key/etc for a piece of software (which is available via disc, download, or download code) is already being put in place. It will be put to use as well.

Instro · May 2, 2012

bgassassin said:
Also after skimming through the last few pages, after talking with some people (Ideaman included), I think it's safe to say we're looking at 2GB of total system memory for Wii U. The remaining questions will be what type of memory is it and how much will OS and friends need. 512MB will probably be the worst case and hopefully they'll trim the footprint even more.

So, assuming it launched with 256MB+ locked up, what is the OS doing that it would require so much RAM?

Smiles and Cries · May 2, 2012

BurntPork said:
I guess you'll say that we're "lucky" to have USB 3.0 in the Wii V six years from now too, huh? :/

what do you want BurnPork?

Speculation thread should be about speculation on what we do not know.

did we not know about HDMI / USB 2.0 day 1?

If we are going to dream about USB 3.0 because we think Nintendo is slighting us yet again then its just going to have to remain a dream.

Maybe what I should have said is we should feel lucky that we knew about USB 2.0 so early so it could save us from wishing and dreaming about USB 3.0 :/

at the end of the day its not a big deal unless we know for sure what Nintendo is planning to connect to those ports

If you upgrade the ports you have to be ready to upgrade the core hardware and the stuff that it connects to that we know nothing about.

If Nintendo says 2.0 and they know all the facts behind what connects to it what is the point of me getting my hopes up on 3.0 adding yet one more thing for me to feel slighted about.

I did not know USB 2.0 was not up to snuff until you guys started posting about how dreamy 3.0 would be

lets be happy about the little things we do know for sure as you said USB 2.0 was on Wii
well duh... So Nintendo on day 1 posted about that fact for WiiU why are we so hyped on this fact suddenly changing on June 5th?

Rösti · May 2, 2012

Fantastical said:
Didn't Denise Kaigler have a different position than Cammie? I thought I remembered both Kaigler and Dunaway working there at the same time.

Denise Kaigler was vice president of corporate affairs. Cammie Dunaway was executive vice president of sales & marketing.

Fantastical · May 2, 2012

Here's a video of Dunaway's replacement if anyone is interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU0KxeHUbzk

BurntPork · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
If there is something to make an avatar bet on, it's this. lol
It's going to need industry-wide support to happen, and Nintendo is part of that industry. Read Iwata's comments carefully. The infrastructure to accept a code/license key/etc for a piece of software (which is available via disc, download, or download code) is already being put in place. It will be put to use as well.

Would you mind pointing out the exact comments?

Also, keep in mind that NFC is in the controller, not the console.

Throwaway123456789 · May 2, 2012

FoxHimself said:
Man, I love this thread. I'll give you all a cryptic Wii U quote on May 2nd that you can all analyze into oblivion. :lol

AceBandage said:
The 2nd doesn't work for me.
Can we do it on the 4th?

Sorry AceBandage, today will have to suffice.

Here's parts of the transcription of the Wii U part of my interview with Treyarch boss Mark Lamia. (It was before the release date was known)

The full interview is here: In Norwegian

PressFire.no said:
PressFire: Do you have a release date?
Lamia: November 13th

PressFire: That's around the same time as the Wii U launch, isnt it?
Lamia: (smirks) It is... Thats what I hear, rumor-wise. I dont think theyve announced a launch date for the Wii U though?

PressFire: They said before christmas? But that overwatch mode, on the Wii U pad ...it seems kind of obvious?
Lamia: (laughs) Do you want a job in game design?

PressFire: (laughs) So is there a Wii U version coming?
Lamia: Ah! Were not.. were only talking about the other platforms at this time.

PressFire: I know.
Lamia: But heres what I can tell you: Treyarch has a long tradition of working on the Nintendo platforms. A long tradition.

PressFire: Thats right, you did the Wii versions of the Modern Warfare games.
Lamia: Uh huh, and the Wii versions of all our Call of Duty titles. And we made the GameCube version of Big Red One. And the Wii version of Spiderman Web of Shadows. We have a lot of experience on the Wii and on the Nintendo platforms. So yeah, we enjoy the Nintendo Wii. We enjoy working on that.

Have fun.

Father_Brain · May 2, 2012

FoxHimself said:
Sorry AceBandage, today will have to suffice.

Here's parts of the transcription of the Wii U part of my interview with Treyarch boss Mark Lamia. (It was before the release date was known)

The full interview is here: In Norwegian

Have fun.

That's not really terribly cryptic.

Pyrokai · May 2, 2012

Call of Duty Wii U exclusive confirmed.

blu · May 2, 2012

FoxHimself said:
Have fun.

The only thing I can make out of this is that Spiderman Web of Shadows is coming out for the cube on Nov 13.

Instro · May 2, 2012

FoxHimself said:
Have fun.

Minority Report Everybody Runs sequel WiiU exclusive.

AceBandage · May 2, 2012

FoxHimself said:
Sorry AceBandage, today will have to suffice.

Here's parts of the transcription of the Wii U part of my interview with Treyarch boss Mark Lamia. (It was before the release date was known)

The full interview is here: In Norwegian

Have fun.

Bah, right as I have to leave.
I told you today didn't work for me!

Smiles and Cries · May 2, 2012

Treyarch <3 Nintendo

who know

Linkhero1 · May 2, 2012

StevieP said:
Every piece of content you purchase, whether it's a retail disc or a download code from the retailer, or the Nintendo uShop - is going to be locked to your console/account.

That disc and its associated license isn't going to work anywhere else but your console.

When was this confirmed? Or is this just a speculation?

Pyrokai · May 2, 2012

Linkhero1 said:
When was this confirmed? Or is this just a speculation?

Wait.....really? Wouldn't the confirmed account-based system for Wii U not tie it to a console but rather to your account? Similar to PSN and such?

Edit: I was referring to what you quoted....sorry I'm on my phone right now

bgassassin · May 2, 2012

japtor said:
As for RAM, didn't they reduce the reserved amount for the 3DS system software after launch and let games use more?

Yeah all of of them do that. PS3 started out with a high amount dedicated to OS and I think since then they've cut down by almost half.

Instro said:
So, assuming it launched with 256MB+ locked up, what is the OS doing that it would require so much RAM?

Ideaman mentioned a few of the things along with the OS, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

AceBandage · May 2, 2012

bgassassin said:
Yeah all of of them do that. PS3 started out with a high amount dedicated to OS and I think since then they've cut down by almost half.

Ideaman mentioned a few of the things along with the OS, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

Streaming video online while voice chatting is all I can think of.

Smiles and Cries · May 2, 2012

I can live with 2.0GB RAM total with the OS taking a slice of the pie

that would be better than expected

guek · May 2, 2012

still only expecting 1GB, hoping for more but not expecting it

nordique · May 2, 2012

blu said:
The only thing I can make out of this is that Spiderman Web of Shadows is coming out for the cube on Nov 13.

LOL

blu I hear detectiveGAF is accepting resumés as of now

EloquentM · May 2, 2012

guek said:
still only expecting 1GB, hoping for more but not expecting it

Lol, you're always so skeptical. You don't even trust bg's best guess?

Discomurf · May 2, 2012

Smiles and Cries said:
Treyarch <3 Nintendo

who know

They already set up an official forum for BLOPS2 'Wii'.

http://community.callofduty.com/community/call_of_duty/english/black_ops_2/forums/wii

At this point I think its a really safe bet that it will be announced at Nintendo's E3 presser if not sooner. I would expect Wii U exclusive features like an overwatch mode as well. My hope is that they keep an option for IR controls -- I LOVE the controls for the last few Wii COD games, so much more fun (at least for me).

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