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Spencer on Fortnites XBO/PS4 Crossplay "I would have liked to see them leave it on"
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travisbickle
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So is this tweet a statement that Greenberg's discussions with Sony about crossplay (from the last statement about Minecraft) have failed?
Or is Phil doing his "hey guys I'm a gamer too" schtick when he's actually the head of a corporation that should be working with Sony for a mutually beneficial way to get this done.
Or is Phil doing his "hey guys I'm a gamer too" schtick when he's actually the head of a corporation that should be working with Sony for a mutually beneficial way to get this done.
Bits N Pieces
Member
What is going on with some of the comments in this thread? Some of you are fucking bonkers! lol
EDIT; See the above comment as another example of wtf!?
If it's really what Phil feels, why is this particular game cross-play and cross-buy on PS4/PC, but not Xbox One/PC?
its just a tweet i think
Dominic Snyder
Member
Pretty sure they're saying that it would be ridiculous if people then complained about Sony not putting their first party games on other platforms because of course Sony shouldn't be expected to put games that they have developed, invested all the money into, and assumed all the risk for on a competitor's platform.
Saying "this doesn't make business sense" isn't being a shareholder, it's seeing reality.
Being ignorant of how businesses make their decisions doesn't make them any more likely to make the choice you want them to.
Once you accept that businesses don't get guilted into making pro-consumer decisions you can understand what it would actually take for cross-platform play to happen, and it's a lot of voting with your wallet.
Why not? You make it sound unreasonable, but third parties exist solely off of doing that.
And as a consumer it just means more games to play.
The Arsenne Wenger of Video Games as I recall you said...
No the point is; people going out of their way to essentially defend Sony on a stance that is very obviously anti-consumer.
Also, opening up cross play does not necessarily mean Sony will completely lose out on any competitive advantage.
Remember, we gamers did not force Sony to adopt the "For the Players" motto. Sony declared that and when this policy strikes at the heart of it, people should definitely call them out for it.
MS were guilty before and Sony are now. And in a generation where we are seeing unprecedented levels of crossplay over various titles, it is such a shame that Sony are holding back gaming in this respect. It really is frustrating seeing people go out of their way to defend Sony, regardless of the obvious business motivations of the company.
You can't have your cake and eat it; and this is not for the players.
Triggerhappytel
Member
"Phil Spencer Says A Thing |OT|"
Seriously.
Seriously.
Lol.
Slightly off topic, but PUBG could be interesting. It's one of the only games that might have more players on XB1 than PS4, and I assume 100 player games need enormous player pools to draw from.
If MS keep up their "well we'd just LOVE crossplay" then that would be the time for Sony to call their bluff.
If PUBG doesn't get cross play the dream is as good as dead.
...assuming it ever comes to PS4, of course.
If MS keep up their "well we'd just LOVE crossplay" then that would be the time for Sony to call their bluff.
If PUBG doesn't get cross play the dream is as good as dead.
...assuming it ever comes to PS4, of course.
travisbickle
Member
It's a tweet from one of a few dudes that knows the details between Sony and MS about this.
Some of you guys would prefer not to know what's actually happening because it makes you feel good.
im not even sure what you are trying to say
Bits N Pieces
Member
To all of the posters who are putting themselves in Sony's shoes and trying to be as considerate and understanding as you can to their business needs and startegies, did you do this when the Xbox parity clause was causing riots in threads over the last few years?
I mean, we are talking about a business making business descisions in the best interest of their business, right? There wouldnt be anyone against the parity clause but pro no crossplay or vice versa, right?
I mean, we are talking about a business making business descisions in the best interest of their business, right? There wouldnt be anyone against the parity clause but pro no crossplay or vice versa, right?
Sony wouldn't allow the filthy scum that populates Xbox Live to threat the well-being of their precious kid playerbase.
Stop asking for it. They only gave a pass to the PC players because they're all well-meaning and aware and they don't put the kids lives at risk unlike Xbox Live players.
Embarrassing company. I swear the next person I see worshipping "Shu" or Hirai or Cerny or whatever the current mascot is is going straight to the ignore list no questions asked.
Stop asking for it. They only gave a pass to the PC players because they're all well-meaning and aware and they don't put the kids lives at risk unlike Xbox Live players.
Embarrassing company. I swear the next person I see worshipping "Shu" or Hirai or Cerny or whatever the current mascot is is going straight to the ignore list no questions asked.
MilkyJoe
Member
For once I can believe him because Xbox/Nintendo have been the only ones not opposed to console crossplay Sony in the other hand...
You mean the indie parity clause which actively attempts to force indies to make their games timed exclusives to Microsoft while giving them no money for it? That's what you're comparing to this? Seriously?
Its probably option c - he would have liked them to leave it on.
There already exists a mutually beneficial way to get this done and it doesn't require any extra work on Sony's or MS part- allow developers to enable crossplay
Nah. This would still require Sony to reversal their policy.
Minecraft is already more poplar on MS platforms and Sony blocks crossplay. They really don't care about the platform demographics of individual games. They only care about 1) keeping their population on an xbox free island and 2)
the children
Dominic Snyder
Member
But third parties don't have a game console to sell.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Yeah,although it would help if you knew what the parity clause you seem to be upset about actually was.
Paruty Clause - Xbox wanted games to release day and date with competing platforms and if the devs couldn't do that then they wanted them to have bonus content when they released on Xbox at a later date after PlaySation.
Both the parity clause and no cross play stance are pretty shitty to devs and consumers but I am trying to establishg if people have been pro one or anti the other? Surely not.....
RoadHazard
Gold Member
While I wish Sony would change their stance on this, there's no fucking way MS would have sounded like this back when they were the market leader last gen. Then they were the ones refusing to let this happen. Now they/Phil are just so desperate to score some "cool gaming company" points.
There is still a strong loyalty thing going on with Sony. A belief that the company is good and loves them, or something. Nintendo has it too, but even the most staunch Nintendo fan will slag their backwards thinking bad decisions. With Sony it's, "Sure they're wrong, but not really, and MS had done _____ in the past, don't forget that."
N21
Member
The note does say "Per policy discussion" that means Fortnite didn't reach MS polices not MS failing Fornite.
N21
Member
If you can't release your game on time for all consoles, you probably should quit the game industry.
Are you serious? This is total nonsense... not everyone has big budgets and can invest the same amount of money / time on each platform... sometimes a platform has higher priority and that would most likely be the platform with the most potential customers.
I think Sonys decision is fine when seen from a business perspective. But some games could really benefit from a bigger playerbase.
Yeah, cause they loose a big chunk of their revenue stream if they put it on Steam first. It's not like they're completely reluctant, they just want to earn their revenue from the people who really want the game and then put it on Steam later for everyone else.
They're not directly gaining/loosing any revenue by adding cross-play, this is something for the gamers. I mean they'll indirectly earn more probably from more people picking up titles like MC across different devices and buying more items, but then, so would Sony.
clarknova156
Member
Baby Farts.
AudioEppa
Member
I've rolled my eyes too many times at things Mr. Spencer says on Twitter or within a Interview. I've avoided commenting in anymore discussions for a while now. But this, pretty much sums it up.
And any so far scored points, won't take them far. Actually they won't go anywhere. This issue regarding cross play is lightweight drama for probably a small portion of the gaming community to bitch at each other.
These companies have made stupid ass business decisions in the past, present time. And will continue to do so in the future. At some point if we can all play with each other, Regardless of our platform preference, That's super cool. But if it never happens? Oh well.
Sad Affleck
Member
Most supporters of crossplay understand business just fine. What you and others who enjoy 'explaining business' don't seem to understand is that people who support crossplay don't care at all if the lack of it is good for Sony and bad for Microsoft or vice versa. Crossplay is good for gamers and that's why people are raising a stink about it.
N21
Member
Lol, it ain't ignorance. Very few games this generation have had success with staggered releases. It's not hatred, the game industry is fast moving and your game could get lost in the sea of many good ones that will take its place.
Goalus
Member
Imagine what will happen to all the children on PSN if they are exposed to XBL.
N21
Member
I know that but the industry is fast moving, no one is going to wait if your game isn't enticing enough.
I wish every game developer well but I'm not going to deny that it sucks that my preferred console have to wait an extra 6 months for a port.
N21
Member
I've already acknowledge that a few games see success with staggered releases.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Stick to your guns Sony!
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That is still ignorance.
Not every Dev needs to be a mega hit to find success on a platform.
Indie Devs often don't have the luxury of launching on multiple platforms day one due to things like staff, budget, marketing, platform knowledge etc.
Also how do you want them truly to know how enticing their game is without launching first.
Just imagining Rocket League not launching first on PS4/PC because of them not having the budget to do the XB1 version. In that instance they not only would of likely ran out of money before they would have completed the XB1 version they may not have found the same success they did at the time they would have launched waiting to complete the Xbox port.
Alternatively if they did find the same success would they have been able to keep the game alive in the same way they did with the PC/PS4 due to vastly underestimating their success and having to rewrite their network setup among other things. More than likely not because if you watching the noclips interviews you will see they just about got by with the complications at launch with PC/PS4 adding another platform to the mix would have been an even bigger disaster.
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