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ZombieFred · Apr 21, 2012

monome said:
The books have carefully crafted stories and origins for every species.if not refered as covies then better call each by name.
As far as covenants are concerned the religious zealots we ll fight in Halo 4 still believe in a great journey of sort, a destinity left to them by the forerunners, yet they don t want to get wiped in a glorious Halo flash.
Dax is right in saying it is the elite zealots who organise this group, so any species else is just following their orders for whatever reasons.
There will probably be a name given to this marticulat group.
I can t remember the name of the cult these elites follow.

And the remaining prophets have fled and are hiding. What could they be doing? They have great expertise and have many ungaroks with them

It will be great to see all these threads from the novels of all these factions (and the new enemy faction that will be presented) come into one giant climax battle in the final part of this new trilogy with a race for being in control of the universe (whether to destroy, conquer or save all life) and see it all around you. What really makes me pump me in excitement with that is knowing that title will be on the next generation of platforms and I do hope with any big space ship/combat show down they will get Eric to assist on some of the finest combat set pieces ever (he's a master craft at this field with his talented war tactic writing). That will be so good <3

I do wonder if the Spirit of fire will make an appearance as well? There's certainly room for them to come back after the events of Halo Wars.

Freeza Under The Shower · Apr 21, 2012

Rad Agast said:
Play Halo 2 and 3. If you don't have the time, just watch some cut-scenes on youtube or halowaypoint. I've only read Fall of Reach (have all the other novels but haven't read them yet) and I don't have trouble following where the games are going story wise.

I wouldn't point that out if I had gained an idea what they mean by the term by playing the games and reading along with the novel stuff.

There is nothing to indicate from Halo 1,2,3 that Cortana is about to go on a bloody rampage or something. Sure, by some retconned sense of "being implied" (I have questions. shoot), but Halo 3 just had her as the damsel in distress, which makes it very hard to "imply" that she's about to go a cyborg-assisted rampage or something.

The 'rampancy' idea is something from the extended universe, or even the terminals from Halo 3 Legendary (the original Bias construct), but the actual cutscenes do not play up this idea as being "in play".

Sure, you could just explain it in a 'previously on' type vid, like Gears 3 did for the novels between 2 and 3, but those were simple events (this happened, that happened, oh and now we're living on a boat, hurray), not an abstract concept that has no meaningful way of communicating its presence without turning her into GlaDOS or SHODAN for no apparent reason.

we'll see how this plays out and all, but I just think it's a weird plotpoint to market the game with to people who only play the games.
(obviously the current marketing effort is not aimed at this group, but still)

B_Rik_Schitthaus · Apr 21, 2012

They have two games to lay the ground work for rampancy.
Make it seem to come out of nowhere for the game only fans but have a few points leading back to the novels for the more entrenched fans.

It's a easy concept to get over with the 'AI aren't supposed to be operational for this long.'

Tashi · Apr 21, 2012

Cortana in Halo 4 is by far the best. Can't wait to see her animated, in cut scenes with voice acting. Gonna be sick.

BruceLeeRoy · Apr 21, 2012

This shot seriously gives me a metroid vibe with the subtle atmoshphere.

AWESOME

I haven't been this hyped for Halo since before 3.
Can't wait.

feel · Apr 21, 2012

^ that screen has me so hyped

Tashi0106 said:
Cortana in Halo 4 is by far the best. Can't wait to see her animated, in cut scenes with voice acting. Gonna be sick.

Completely agree. First Cortana change I've ever been pleased with. I too can't wait to see it along with the beautiful voice.

B_Rik_Schitthaus · Apr 21, 2012

One thing I can't get over is how we haven't seen any vehicle combat in MP. That and the 'VR training' pretext has me a little suspicious.

Gui_PT · Apr 21, 2012

B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
One thing I can't get over is how we haven't seen any vehicle combat in MP. That and the 'VR training' pretext has me a little suspicious.

They mentioned vehicles were in

Petrichor · Apr 21, 2012

BruceLeeRoy said:
This shot seriously gives me a metroid vibe with the subtle atmoshphere.

AWESOME

I haven't been this hyped for Halo since before 3.
Can't wait.

Yep. I'm certainly more hyped for this than I remember being for reach.

The new HUD really does look amazing with all the little details

B_Rik_Schitthaus · Apr 21, 2012

Gui_PT said:
They mentioned vehicles were in

Thanks, I knew it was a stupid thought but it's nice to have it quashed.

The Librarian · Apr 21, 2012

Zeitgeister said:
I wouldn't point that out if I had gained an idea what they mean by the term by playing the games and reading along with the novel stuff.

There is nothing to indicate from Halo 1,2,3 that Cortana is about to go on a bloody rampage or something. Sure, by some retconned sense of "being implied" (I have questions. shoot), but Halo 3 just had her as the damsel in distress, which makes it very hard to "imply" that she's about to go a cyborg-assisted rampage or something.

The 'rampancy' idea is something from the extended universe, or even the terminals from Halo 3 Legendary (the original Bias construct), but the actual cutscenes do not play up this idea as being "in play".

Sure, you could just explain it in a 'previously on' type vid, like Gears 3 did for the novels between 2 and 3, but those were simple events (this happened, that happened, oh and now we're living on a boat, hurray), not an abstract concept that has no meaningful way of communicating its presence without turning her into GlaDOS or SHODAN for no apparent reason.

we'll see how this plays out and all, but I just think it's a weird plotpoint to market the game with to people who only play the games.
(obviously the current marketing effort is not aimed at this group, but still)

I think Halo 3 has set it up fine. She was never really just a "damsel in distress" - there was something seriously wrong with her, and by the end of the game it remains unresolved. Halo 3's messy storytelling does lend to the idea of rampancy.

shinobi602 · Apr 21, 2012

BruceLeeRoy said:
This shot seriously gives me a metroid vibe with the subtle atmoshphere.

AWESOME

I haven't been this hyped for Halo since before 3.
Can't wait.

Every time I see this pic I can't help but notice the lighting is fucking ace.

volturnus · Apr 21, 2012

shinobi602 said:
Every time I see this pic I can't help but notice the lighting is fucking ace.

Some shadows are clearly absent, though.

shinobi602 · Apr 21, 2012

volturnus said:
Some shadows are clearly absent, though.

A little. I believe the shadows from the two crates on the ground are missing. But still, that's alpha footage.

More shadows will definitely be added for the final product.

fnmore1 · Apr 21, 2012

les papillons sexuels said:
this looks pretty meh. They went from creating something that looked original to making it look like an unreal clone. I mean, why get rid off all the elites under-armor, and why keep the methane tank but get rid of the breathing apparatus. These character designs look like they belong in gears of war not halo.

Did you miss the picture where the grunt was actually wearing a mask?

And to me, the one without the mask looks like it was shot off because if you look closely above the mouth area there's still some pieces where a mask would be.

Majanew · Apr 21, 2012

BruceLeeRoy said:
This shot seriously gives me a metroid vibe with the subtle atmoshphere.

AWESOME

I haven't been this hyped for Halo since before 3.
Can't wait.

Makes me think of Dead Space. I'm very excited about the lighting in this game.

Tawpgun · Apr 21, 2012

BruceLeeRoy said:
This shot seriously gives me a metroid vibe with the subtle atmoshphere.

AWESOME

I haven't been this hyped for Halo since before 3.
Can't wait.

First time I noticed the black bits at the top and bottom corners. Not sure how I feel about those.

i nerini del buio · Apr 21, 2012

A27 Tawpgun said:
First time I noticed the black bits at the top and bottom corners. Not sure how I feel about those.

that's probably how they made room for the resolution increase up to 1280*720

B_Rik_Schitthaus · Apr 21, 2012

A27 Tawpgun said:
First time I noticed the black bits at the top and bottom corners. Not sure how I feel about those.

They will be like squiggles in your vision, when you try to look at them they move.

Bornstellar · Apr 21, 2012

i nerini del buio said:
that's probably how they made room for the resolution increase up to 1280*720

Not present in multiplayer and it sounds like they shift around with movement, so no.

KingK · Apr 21, 2012

It looks good, but at the same time they all look like plastic toys...

i nerini del buio · Apr 21, 2012

Bornstellar said:
Not present in multiplayer and it sounds like they shift around with movement, so no.

well, I stand corrected then

B_Rik_Schitthaus · Apr 21, 2012

KingK said:
It looks good, but at the same time they all look like plastic toys...

Helpfully next gen will let them look like vinyl toys.

Flipyap · Apr 21, 2012

Dax01 said:
I think Halo 3 has set it up fine. She was never really just a "damsel in distress" - there was something seriously wrong with her, and by the end of the game it remains unresolved. Halo 3's messy storytelling does lend to the idea of rampancy.

She was the definition of a damsel in distress. She was even locked in a cage, for Christ's sake!
She was such an useless character, she might as well have been a prop. Sending a message in a bottle that basically amounted to "please save me" was her entire contribution to the plot, prior to being rescued. Even after the rescue, her involvement only expanded to handing over a MacGuffin.

Reclaimer · Apr 22, 2012

shinobi602 said:
The Grunts are breathing methane, where do you see them not?

In the renders where their mouth is exposed. I see that tube to their nose, but their mouth is still taking in whatever is in the atmosphere.

zlatko · Apr 22, 2012

Reclaimer said:
In the renders where their mouth is exposed. I see that tube to their nose, but their mouth is still taking in whatever is in the atmosphere.

Maybe they breathe in and out of their noses, and whatever comes in from their mouths, the machine handles and produces methane for them.

Do we really need to question this that badly? Tube in nose, tube lets them breathe. Leave it at that people.

Demon Ice · Apr 22, 2012

A27 Tawpgun said:
First time I noticed the black bits at the top and bottom corners. Not sure how I feel about those.

Probably how they managed true 720p.

Hypertrooper · Apr 22, 2012

Reclaimer said:
In the renders where their mouth is exposed. I see that tube to their nose, but their mouth is still taking in whatever is in the atmosphere.

Ya know the Forward Unto Dawn is in Space. It is only the half of the ship. Maybe there is no oxygen.

shinobi602 · Apr 22, 2012

Reclaimer said:
In the renders where their mouth is exposed. I see that tube to their nose, but their mouth is still taking in whatever is in the atmosphere.

I don't think other atmospheres such as an oxygenated one is dangerous to them, they just need a constant supply of methane, which they receive through that tube.

higherARC05 · Apr 22, 2012

Reclaimer said:
In the renders where their mouth is exposed. I see that tube to their nose, but their mouth is still taking in whatever is in the atmosphere.

Mouth exposed is clearly for a simple logical reason.

Food nipple suction.

The Librarian · Apr 22, 2012

Hypertrooper said:
Ya know the Forward Unto Dawn is in Space. It is only the half of the ship. Maybe there is no oxygen.

That's actually a worse argument for not having breathers covering the mouth.

Hypertrooper · Apr 22, 2012

Dax01 said:
That's actually a worse argument for not having breathers covering the mouth.

To be honest I do not know the anatomy of a Grunt. I do not know how they work. What you are trying to say is that they work like Humans do. But do they? They do not need oxygen like us, they need methane. etc.

shinobi602 · Apr 22, 2012

Dax01 said:
That's actually a worse argument for not having breathers covering the mouth.

"Although they require an atmosphere to breathe, Unggoy are capable of surviving in the vacuum of space without sealed, full-body gear."

Overdoziz · Apr 22, 2012

Flipyap said:
She was the definition of a damsel in distress. She was even locked in a cage, for Christ's sake!
She was such an useless character, she might as well have been a prop. Sending a message in a bottle that basically amounted to "please save me" was her entire contribution to the plot, prior to being rescued. Even after the rescue, her involvement only expanded to handing over a MacGuffin.

Actually that "message in a bottle" was a way to lure the Gravemind and the Flood through the portal so it would be easier to destroy it. So there, she does contribute something, in a big yet subtle way.

NullPointer · Apr 22, 2012

higherARC05 said:
Mouth exposed is clearly for a simple logical reason.

Food nipple suction.

Winner. That and it makes screaming easier.

My first impression of the grunt redesign wasn't a good one, but once I see them in motion, in an environment that could very easily change.

The Librarian · Apr 22, 2012

Hypertrooper said:
To be honest I do not know the anatomy of a Grunt. I do not know how they work. What you are trying to say is that they work like Humans do. But do they? They do not need oxygen like us, they need methane. etc.

They're still carbon-based lifeforms, no? So no matter how cold it gets on their homeworld, it's still far warmer than the vacuum of space. Maybe the Covenant (or the MC) manages to get life support back online, I dunno.

shinobi602 said:
"Although they require an atmosphere to breathe, Unggoy are capable of surviving in the vacuum of space without sealed, full-body gear."

There's no citation to that.

AnathemicOne · Apr 22, 2012

Dax01 said:
They're still carbon-based lifeforms, no? So no matter how cold it gets on their homeworld, it's still far warmer than the vacuum of space.

There's no citation to that.

Damn those wikis and their lack of citations!

In all honesty though, looking over the sources, it's most likely part of a passage from one of the books.

The Librarian · Apr 22, 2012

AnathemicOne said:
Damn those wikis and their lack of citations!

Yeah! Damn me for wanting to check the source on that!

The Antitype · Apr 22, 2012

BRs, and DMRs and Pistols OH MY! So hot. I want it in me.

Speaking of hot. Damn Cortana.

STUNNING.

rar · Apr 22, 2012

less than 90 fov again? lol

rdrr gnr · Apr 22, 2012

rar said:
less than 90 fov again? lol

How many console titles have a 90+ FOV?

The Xtortionist · Apr 22, 2012

Anyone know if the off-host input lag in co-op will be fixed?

AlStrong · Apr 22, 2012

The Xtortionist said:
Anyone know if the off-host input lag in co-op will be fixed?

I could be wrong, but if they moved to an async networking solution, they would probably have to go with a much simpler A.I.

Izayoi · Apr 22, 2012

MuseManMike said:
How many console titles have a 90+ FOV?

Doesn't change the fact that it's fucking annoying. Small FoVs are arguably one of the worst things about console shooters.

Youta Mottenai · Apr 22, 2012

Petrichor said:
Halo 4

Maybe it's just me, but, it looks like she has some really broad/swimmer shoulders in this picture, doesn't it? And, yeah, can't wait to see her animated (the data stream effects).

Would also be fun to see how her Halo 1 version would look using the current engine, updating poly count/resolution/textures/etc.

Dax01 said:
They're still carbon-based lifeforms, no? So no matter how cold it gets on their homeworld, it's still far warmer than the vacuum of space. Maybe the Covenant (or the MC) manages to get life support back online, I dunno.

There's no citation to that.

If I'm not wrong, you only loose heat through radiation in a vacuum and it's a slow process. So if they have something to breath it woudn't be insta-death.

Treemonkeys · Apr 22, 2012

Is this confirmed for 360 or next gen xbox?

Smokey · Apr 22, 2012

Treemonkeys said:
Is this confirmed for 360 or next gen xbox?

360

elohel · Apr 22, 2012

looks interesting

Special J · Apr 22, 2012

another shot of cortana, mother of god. one thing is certain about Halo4,

343 cortana > bungie cortana

Reclaimer · Apr 22, 2012

zlatko said:
Do we really need to question this that badly? Tube in nose, tube lets them breathe. Leave it at that people.

I'm a fan of the established lore from a handful of games and books, and Im interested to know if there is a reason 343 is straying from it a bit (or possibly breaking it). Grunts wear masks to breathe methane when in an earth-like atmosphere. I just want to know what's up with the new looking grunts, isn't that what part of this thread is about, the new character shots?

I'm just curious, maybe you should just "leave it at that".

Also, food nipple.

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