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Democrats are losing their most loyal voters: Black Women
- Thread starter Angelus Errare
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Skellig Gra
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I find it hard to believe things can get worse than they currently are for black women. This administration is rock bottom. They have more leverage now than ever.
Sinfamy
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Keep attacking Nina Turner that'll help.
Also keeping Keith Ellison out of the DNC chair was a terrible idea, Perez does nothing to mobilize the progressive base.
And it costs Democrats, it shows in the funding, normal people don't want to donate when their party is associated with people like Perez instead of more grassroots leaders.
I think what Nina has to say resonates with the Democratic base far more than someone like Pelosi or Schumer.
Also keeping Keith Ellison out of the DNC chair was a terrible idea, Perez does nothing to mobilize the progressive base.
And it costs Democrats, it shows in the funding, normal people don't want to donate when their party is associated with people like Perez instead of more grassroots leaders.
That's a bold claim.
I think what Nina has to say resonates with the Democratic base far more than someone like Pelosi or Schumer.
excelsiorlef
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eBay Huckster
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yeah i actually will keep attacking Nina Turner for grandstanding while her own state has two black women in federal office (who i've gladly voted for in every election i've been eligible for) doing more across the board, thanks
in any event, not detecting any lies in this OP. the party ignores its demographic base at its very real peril
No lies detected.
The party needs to learn a lot of lessons from 2016, but failing to support your base is a huge mistake, and right now there is a rub between certain white voting blocs and Black Lives Matter, and I certainly hope that the party comes out on the correct side of history here.
Throwing in as a less bad version of the Republican party isn't going to cut it when it comes to dealing with gun control and criminal justice reforms. One of the worst outcomes of the 2016 elections was the re-militarization of police forces and the total and complete lack of serious work towards criminal justice reform and gun control.
And that isn't even getting into disenfranchisement, lack of any focus on rebuilding crumbling infrastructure in cities and creating upward mobility. White America wants the police to protect the "good" neighborhoods from the "bad" neighborhoods spilling over, and if going after white male votes means stepping onto the wrong side of history it's a huge mistake not only politically but ethically.
The party needs to learn a lot of lessons from 2016, but failing to support your base is a huge mistake, and right now there is a rub between certain white voting blocs and Black Lives Matter, and I certainly hope that the party comes out on the correct side of history here.
Throwing in as a less bad version of the Republican party isn't going to cut it when it comes to dealing with gun control and criminal justice reforms. One of the worst outcomes of the 2016 elections was the re-militarization of police forces and the total and complete lack of serious work towards criminal justice reform and gun control.
And that isn't even getting into disenfranchisement, lack of any focus on rebuilding crumbling infrastructure in cities and creating upward mobility. White America wants the police to protect the "good" neighborhoods from the "bad" neighborhoods spilling over, and if going after white male votes means stepping onto the wrong side of history it's a huge mistake not only politically but ethically.
Chie Satonaka
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Myself and many others here have said this is what was going to happen.
Throwing your most loyal voting blocs under the bus for white folks that don't anything to do with your party or your platform isn't a winning strategy.
Throwing your most loyal voting blocs under the bus for white folks that don't anything to do with your party or your platform isn't a winning strategy.
IsntChrisL
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Good. Parties shouldn't feel comfortable getting votes by default. They should feel the need to fight for those votes.
Angelus Errare
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lmao!
so now that they dont vote democrat, trump would be more likely to get a second term
are you sure that wouldnt be worse for black women? lets find out
no really lets not
So then where do these voters go? Because the democrats which have fully taken advantage of and neglected these women is also depressingly the closest thing to a foothold they had. And clearly it wasn't much of a foothold.
Democrats splintering like this isn't going to benefit anyone.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Straight up backbone (in more ways than one) of the party
What do you care, you don't even like black people lol
What do you care, you don't even like black people lol
Skellig Gra
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They sit out the election most likely. They don't need to fall in line when no one is doing a damn thing for them.
Trump was only half wrong with his "What do you have to lose?" BS. He was right that democrats ain't doing shit for the black community. He was wrong in that he is actively making things worse.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I know Sessions has reversed a lot of Holder's and Lynch's work but can you explain how the 2016 election affected the discretionary spending of police departments?
94% percent of black women still voted for Clinton, so we're not seeing an influx of Stacy Dashs, thank God.
I think we're seeing the same trend we see in other demographic groups: young people are becoming more disillusioned with the traditional party system. That comes down to marketing and outreach.
has it occurred to either of you that vote for us or else is a pretty piss poor campaign message and is in no small part exactly why people are disillusioned with the dems, or
Grow a spine man. They are using an opportunity to point out a real issue and your all "but let's curl into a ball and suck our thumbs!"
DontBeThatGuy
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It's a bit difficult to do much of anything when you're getting crushed in the mid-terms, let alone losing the electoral college.
Tom Perez seems to be fucking up though, and I fucking hated seeing Dems trying to appeal to Republicans in 2016, even propping up Reagan. It may be just bullshit for votes, but I still couldn't stand it.
Tom Perez seems to be fucking up though, and I fucking hated seeing Dems trying to appeal to Republicans in 2016, even propping up Reagan. It may be just bullshit for votes, but I still couldn't stand it.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I mean, not all black women live in abject squalor or something. Plenty of ways things could get worse. I know you're coming from the right place, but I think this rhetoric has a shade of Trump's "What the hell have you got to lose?" mind set to it.
I'm a Bernie fan (obviously) but his rejection of identity politics is bothersome. All politics are identity politics.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the US party system works on the federal level. 100% of all Democrats are not going to represent your ideals. You're elected representative does that. And that representative creates or is involved in coalitions. And those coalitions make laws.
Again, a huge marketing problem.
Not picking Ellison was a mistake for sure. Would not have happened under his watch. But instead we get another establishment leader for the DNC who is up to the same old bullshit that cost the Presidency.
Good job, Perez...
Article covers most of it, but here's the survey PDF: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4058012/Power-of-the-Sister-Vote-Report.pdf
now that we know what "or else" actually means, are you sure?
Military surplus sales from the federal government are back on. I mean, it's not like the situation was sunshine and roses under the Obama admin, but there was a slow steady chipping away and it seemed like a Clinton admin would continue the work towards criminal justice reform being a front and center issue.
It's just really unsettling how little attention these issues are even getting any longer. Trump has done LOTS of fucked up shit in his first 9 months, but these issues seem to be getting the least amount of press, and I think it's because lots of Dems are afraid of how BLM is polling, which is some spineless bullshit. I think lots of Ds may think (without saying) that Hillary pushing so hard with the Mother's of the Movement and BLM support may have helped push white voters towards Trump's race bating, and so they are just not going to highlight these issues and talk about economic anxiety more.
While I get where these women are coming from, and Sheila Jackson Lee is especially on point as usual, I think it is premature to read too much into the party falling over themselves in a doomed effort to appeal to bernie and trump supporters. It's a natural reaction to the shock of Hillary losing -- despite her extraordinary (and largely successful) efforts to court black women. I think this phase will be short lived. Hopefully before 2018
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Keeping a white supremacist out of the WH not being enough to motivate people to vote, is a large part of why we have Trump, yes.
They can at the very least put out longshot bills to show their base what they want to do once they regain power. They should basically do what Bernie did with his single payer bill - nobody believes it will pass, but the 2020 hopefuls jumped onboard to prove their cred, and now single payer has a big surge of momentum in the party.
Keep opposing and trying to block what Trump does that harms minorities, but also scream from the rooftops about what should be done.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Perez was one of the most liberal members of Obamas cabinet, and Ellison is the co-chair of the DNC. This is not an Ellison/Perez issue. This is a DNC issue, and it's not because Perez is establishment.
Lots of Ds have decided that Hillary's close alignment with the Mother's of the Movement backfired with racist lean-D voters in the midwest and cost her the election.
Bernie's single payer bill was the dumbest political move in a long time. We'll be fortunate if this purity test doesn't cost us the ACA
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If it were anything other than a 2 party system and if the other party was anything less than real life bond villains I'd say good for them but alas
This is where I stand. Many people criticize the DP for only focusing on their base and not catering enough to swing states and rural voters, and cite that as being the reason Hillary lost and seats in Congress were lost. Then you have this group claiming that the DP doesn't cater to their base enough.
Both of these are true IMO. The democrats need to just straight up push their agenda across the board. Social and economic, standing up for their base while demonstrating to those outlying voters ("rural", etc) why their platform is superior - which would be easy, as GOP policies demonstrably do not work for the average American of any stripe.
Mammoth Jones
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This dogshit is exactly why the democrats are getting dueced.
Been loyal like shit as a voting block to democrats and they've taken us for granted.
Republicans dobt give a fuck because they know we will never vote for their crazy asses.
Democrats don't give a fuck because they know they got our vote on lock.
It's just anecdotal but my wife, mother, sister, sister in law all black women struggling to keep supporting the democrats. They ain't voting republican but shit the way it is ain't working for them.
The idea that Nina Turner speaks for all black women solely on the grounds that she herself is a black woman is fucking ludicrous.
Most Democrats -- black, white, male, female -- have never even heard of Nina Turner.
Mammoth Jones
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Who is saying this?
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